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Re: how to undo accidental merge

 

Starboy, thank you for your help.

1. I find the topic where the message I want to "split" is.
2. Then, I find the message I want inside that topic.
3. I open the message
4. Then I choose "split".
5. I give the message a new subject because this is like creating a new
topic.
The problem is that after selecting the message I want to move to a different topic and choosing "split" and devising a new temporary name for the topic, *all* messages are moved under the new topic name, not just the one I want to single out.

To be honest, I am a bit tired of unsuccessul attempts, so I'll just leave things as they are and definitely pay more attention next time.

Thank you for your encouragement,
Marina
Re: Sub groups

 

If I understand correctly, you created a group named PeterAstro.? You created a subgroup named Imagers.? If those are correct, then the email addresses that can be used to send to the groups will be:
[email protected] (main group)
[email protected] (main group)
[email protected] (subgroup)

Some members may still get confused because the return address will always show [email protected] for messages they receive from the main group, even though they've sent posts to [email protected]

You may also want to take a look at /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Why-use-a-Subgroup and /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Subgroups for additional information.

If you ever delete all of your subgroups, only the first address should be valid.? If I've misunderstood, please clarify.

Duane
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Sub groups

 

Hi,

I'm in the process of setting up a group to replace a yahoo group that my local astronomy club has used for years for general internal communications.? We would like to have a sub group for the imagers amongst us so that those members not interested in imaging will not receive all the messages about guiding and stacking and such like.

I have experimented using my test group (PeterAstro) and have set up a subgroups successfully and transferred one of my members to it.? So far so good.

It also seems that I can still send messages to [email protected] and they do appear in the main subgroup but I just wanted to check that that will always be true.? It will be easier to explain to the members (not all of which are very computer literate!) that they can send to the original name with @groups.io after it in place of yahoogroups.com.? I didn't want to do it and then find it only worked because the system knew I was the owner.

Thanks.
Peter
Re: Internal Links on Wiki? (wikilinks)

 

In addition, you can "rename" any (internal/external) link to make it more friendly and/or add a mouse-hover title.? And make it open in a new window.

Ex - so an internal wiki page link:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Editing-a-message-or-topic

Might display in "English" on your page as:?
Editing your message
(hover on above to see the "title")
Re: Internal Links on Wiki? (wikilinks)

 

Larry,

(I have a reasonable awareness of Wiki page editing from Wikipedia.) ...
/ MediaWiki uses the pagelinks database table
Groups.io's Wiki is not based on MediaWiki.

Groups.io's page editor is pretty much WYSIWYG. The underlying markup is HTML, which you can access through the Source Code toolbar button.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-composition-tips-and-tricks

I am trying to add some internal links within a page (i.e. link to
another existing page).
Each page has a Permalink symbol at the top right (below the search box). You can copy that link's URL to create a link that you insert into another page's text via the Insert/Edit Link toolbar button. If the target page has a TOC at the top, you can copy the URLs of the TOC links to make an intra-page link.

Shal


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Re: GMail issue : Was: subscribers on other lists are being moved to sub-groups under my group.

 

ken,

I think I have at least defined the problem. It seems to be a Google
Mail or gmail problem.
It is not generically a Gmail problem, else there'd be a lot of screaming about it (including from me). I think the symptom is being misunderstood.

Is he using an desktop app or mobile devise to read his Gmail messages?

All messages from lists on groups.io are shown under the *from
heading* as from my RepowerAndRegear list.
However the message headings do not show them as from the
RepowerAndRegear list, on the individual messages only the actual
(correct) list address is shown, the RepowerAndRegear does not appear
anywhere.
The weird thing here is that message From addresses in Groups.io are unique per posting member. So how his UI could be gathering all the different email addresses of various posting members and uniformly displaying your group name is mysterious.

This sounds like an interface option that is displaying a Contact name rather than the from address in the list. I've seen that feature on mobile apps. Have the member check his contact list to see if your group's name appears in his contact list, and delete any such entries.

If he's using Thunderbird, have him go to the Display tab in Thunderbird's Options dialog, and make sure the "Show only display name for people in my address book" box is unchecked.

Possibly related is that Yahoo groups mangle the From field of messages such that all member's posts arrive as being from the posting address of the group. This usually results in a different problem, where group messages are always displayed as coming from a particular member (regardless of who actually sent it) because that member's Display Name got associated with the group posting address in the user's Contact List.

At any rate, I don't think we've identified the problem here. But I'm increasingly convinced that it is neither a Groups.io nor a Gmail problem.

Shal




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Re: GMail issue : Was: subscribers on other lists are being moved to sub-groups under my group.

 

Shal,
? I think I have at least defined the problem.? It seems to be a Google Mail or gmail problem.
The list member provided me a screen shot of his gmail listing of new messages,
All messages from lists on groups.io are shown under the from heading as from my RepowerAndRegear list.
However the message headings do not show them as from the RepowerAndRegear list,
on the individual messages only the actual (correct) list address is shown, the RepowerAndRegear does not appear anywhere.

It appears Google Mail is accumulating all messages from Groups.io and displaying them as From: [email protected]

Hopefully, This behavior by Gmail? can be corrected before it gets worse.
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Re: you have reached the limit

 

Would be really helpful if this was stated clearly on the "Direct Add" page?
eg: "Direct Add lists over 20 will go through moderators, expect a short delay"

After all my testing and worrying about getting it right, adding 180 ppl, it was a bit stressful to get this message unexpectedly.
Re: Calendar reminders not workin properly #cal-reminder

Fran Miele
 

Bruce, creating the calendar event with all the reminders set the way I wanted them is working. I have received each reminder as I would expect.
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Re: Internal Links on Wiki? (wikilinks)

 

Hi

There is some help in the GMF wiki -?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/How-to-Create-a-Wiki%3A-Guide-for-Users-and-Editors

Frances
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Internal Links on Wiki? (wikilinks)

 

Hi Folks,

(I have a reasonable awareness of Wiki page editing from Wikipedia.)? I am trying to add some internal links within a page (i.e. link to another existing page).

Using the standard [[keyword]] syntax to link to 'keyword' does not seem to work.? A search on Google refers to the following:

? ? ? ? ?MediaWiki uses the??to keep track of internal wikilinks.

Is this pagelinks database table active?? Or do I need to be identifying an internal link with something other than "[[ ]]"?

Thanks!

Larry
Re: invite limit?

 

There's an entire page in the Wiki of this group about that very thing, /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/20-Invitations-Limit

If you want something included in the message, you'll need to suggest it on the group, the official suggestion box for the site.? I believe there may already be a post about this that you could join, or start a new one.

Duane
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Re: invite limit?

 

I have a similar question.? I invited ~300 people and I got that "Reached Limit" response but it doesn't tell me what the"Limit" is?? 10? 50? 100?? Please respond here and add that to your Limit message.? Thnx!
Re: subscribers on other lists are being moved to sub-groups under my group.

 

Shal,
? The problem is from a long time list subscriber who was moved with the list from YG to groups.io in Jan 2018.??
He has a gmail address.
My list is RepowerAndRegear,? I did not create subgroups and my access as owner does not show any sub-groups.
This problem caught me off-guard; at this time I can't see now this could be happening.

The list subscriber with the problem also belongs to several other lists not owned or moderated by me.
At this time, every message from any? of the lists he has joined has been sent to him with a from address as a sub-group of RepowerAndRegear.

I am asking him to forward me these messages so I can view the form the e-mail address takes when it is sent by groups.io

At this time it is not crashing the list; it is best considered an annoyance I guess as it is only affecting the one member,
or only one list member is paying close attention.??

We are not a high volume list; 1700 members about ten posts most days.

Thanks for your help, I agree I would prefer to source the problem rather than start blindly deleting.
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Re: Moving Files from iO Database to iO Files area

 

Hi

we had a links library in YahooGroups. We now have a wiki in Groups.io.?

Works for us. Just another way to do it after you save your list of URLs.?

Frances
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Re: Moving Files from iO Database to iO Files area

 

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 07:27 AM, Tony King wrote:
In the transfer from Yahoo some of my group's files appeared in the Database folder. I have no databases, but a list of 33 links is in this folder I wish to appear in the files folder. How do I move the link to Files please ?
Tony -- In groups.io, what you previously had set up in Yahoo as "Links" is just another type of database. Subscribers should be able to open that database table and click on the hyperlinks therein, just as they did in Yahoo.

You can export these links as CSV using the Export Table function. After importing that CSV file into Excel or a Word table, you can then upload it to Files. But if you want the links to be directly clickable, I suggest you leave it as a database.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: Deleting photo storage

 

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This is so totally random¡­ ?most times the image shoeing to b deleted is 2 further along

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After reading Shal¡¯s reply below, I did some more testing so I could give new details.

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Most times the image showing ?to be deleted is the next one along past the one I actually clicked on, but in my tests tonight, occasionally it opened the correct one, but on a couple of occasions, it open images which were 4 along !!

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If I open the photo to be deleted, after confirming the deletion, I am taken back to where all the photos are, but in the position of the deleted one there is a plain grey square, frequently showing (but not always) a lot of numbers at the bottom of the square.

When I open the next one and delete it, I am taken back? to that same page, and the grey square that was there has now disappeared, but the most recent deleted shows as a new grey square.

If I refresh the page after returning, the grey square disappears.

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If I right click and open in a new tab, it is the same conditions as the original tab¡­ delete and opened back at the photos on the new tab, grey square where deleted¡­ and of course if I then close that new tab, and am on the original page the deletion that I just did does not show as being deleted, the image itself is still there on the original page until I refresh the page, then it disappears, and no grey square appears, it is totally gone.

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I thought it may be a problem with the browser (Firefox) so I tried the process in Chrome and it has exactly the same problem. I was going to empty the cache but I don¡¯t want to have my passwords deleted (that would happen, wouldn¡¯t it?).

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It is all so frustrating¡­ especially when most people hit Reply and don¡¯t delete the image, so I may have the same image to delete 10 times and each time I want to delete, I have to make sure that it isn¡¯t the original image opened by mistake.

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I hope that this can be fixed.

Win

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2019 4:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMF] Deleting photo storage

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Bruce,

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> The link and the thumbnail no longer match up, and the reason is? > browser caching. ...

> Forcing a browser refresh from the server side would also work, ...

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And something like that happened, the first time I tried to test the symptom. After confirming the delete I was taken back to the album page, and the URLs were updated to account for the deletion. I had made note of the URL of a particular photo beforehand so that I could see the change.

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But on my second attempt to observe this I opened a photo to be deleted in a new tab. On this trial when that tab was returned to the album page the URLs had not been updated. Nor had they been in the original tab, still showing the album. I had expected the one in the new tab to have been updated, just like the first test, but that didn't happen.

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> Arguing over which is wrong (the thumbnail or the link) is just? > semantics.

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If it looks like a bug, swims like a bug, and quacks like a bug then it probably is a bug. (My apologies to ducks everywhere).

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Specifically, I don't think the system is operating as intended in that case. It is certainly a violation of the principle of least astonishment.

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> but other requests here in GMF have asked for static [or should I say,? > "more-static"] photo album URLs for entirely different reasons.

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True. Here's an even stronger reason - it causes a malfunction by the site.

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And no, I don't classify this as just "a browser cache issue" - in my second test the site loaded a page (the album) which had incorrect links in it. Whether or not the browser is complicit in that error does not IMO make it any less a bug in terms of user experience.

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In a worst-case scenario a less attentive moderator than Win might go on to delete the wrong photo, possibly a prized one.

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Shal

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Re: Calendar reminders not workin properly #cal-reminder

Fran Miele
 

Bruce,

Good to hear it's not just me. Thanks
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Re: Moving Files from iO Database to iO Files area

Gerald Boutin
 

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 08:27 AM, Tony King wrote:
In the transfer from Yahoo some of my group's files appeared in the Database folder. I have no databases, but a list of 33 links is in this folder I wish to appear in the files folder. How do I move the link to Files please ? Tony K NZ

?Download from Database and upload into files. Then delete the original after you've verified that the upload worked correctly.

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Upgrading plans?

 

Is there a direct way to upgrade from premium monthly to premium yearly? I am in the process of transferring from Yahoo Groups and signed up monthly, then realized I should have chosen yearly. Am afraid to try to start the transfer process with incorrect subscription. I've sent an email to support, but was wondering if I'm missing some easier way? Thanks!

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