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A new member to our group somethi posted this message on one of subgroup message boards. It seems she tried RSVP to an event, but I can't figure out what she actually did, because her response is not recorded on the event and instead this message was posted. Can anyone she'd some light on what happened?

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On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 03:46 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

You need to look at the message header.

Bruce; thanks for the quick reply. Having looked at some sample headers I see what you are referring to, but have decided that it is not something I expect to do much - if at all - in the future. :)

However, given that the concept of threading information appears in the wiki, does the point require further clarification? Anyone visiting the wiki "cold" is likely to be as stumped as I was until you provided that additional information. Having only just been told, I am hardly the best person to provide that clarification unless it could be limited to If a message has threading information within the header, use that, with perhaps * leading the reader to your sentence starting "Online..." by which I assume you mean "Using the web UI..."

Chris

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Received from Chris Jones via Groups.Io at 1/10/2019 03:28 PM UTC:

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 10:11 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

From the linked wiki page:

Here is the threading algorithm:

If a message has threading information, use that.

If a message does not have threading information:

I might be the only person who doesn't know but could someone possibly explain what threading information actually is? OK; if something starts "Re:" then I would see that as threading information, but what is there beyond that? How would I recognise it "by inspection"?

The subject line, especially the "Re:" part, has (should have) nothing to do with threading. Messages are threaded by reference to the Message-ID (MID) of the original message and the Message-IDs of the subsequent replies. Message-IDs are unique. Those IDs are contained in the In-Reply-To and References headers. In-Reply-To contains the MID of the message being replied to and the References header contains the MIDs of prior replies to replies to replies all the way back to the original message. If you create a new message with the same subject line as an ongoing thread, the email client/interface that you create the new message in has no knowledge of the thread of other messages with the same subject line so that message become the first message in a new thread. Threads can branch, but all messages in all branches will trace back to the original message.

Some email clients - notably MS Outlook at one time - didn't (and perhaps some still don't) observe the convention that a reply with a changed subject starts a new thread.

Jim H

I am spring cleaning my members list to remove those people who no longer wish to belong to the Group.

I have a list of those email addresses in an Excel spreadsheet and I ventured to use the Bulk Remove feature from the Members page. I submitted the name of the file where asked? and clicked on Remove Members. I got no message back, errors or not, and assumed the list had been acted upon.

It is now apparent that nothing has happened.

What have I done wrong please?

Margaret
UK

Received from Shal Farley at 1/10/2019 06:58 AM UTC:

If you mean that you edited the messages while pending, I've had mixed results with that. If the incoming messages have In-Reply-To fields in their headers that may derail your edit attempt.

A "proper" email client/interface will delete the In-Reply-To and References headers in a reply if the sender changes the subject line... thus making that message the first message in a new thread (topic) if threading is based on In-Reply-To and References headers.

Jim H

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 10:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:

I might be the only person who doesn't know but could someone possibly explain what threading information actually is? OK; if something starts "Re:" then I would see that as threading information, but what is there beyond that? How would I recognise it "by inspection"??

You need to look at the message header. Online, open the More menu and select View Source. If the post is not a new topic, there will be "References" and "In-Reply-To" entries. I believe groups.io uses these (especially the latter) for threading of incoming emails.

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Bruce?
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On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 10:11 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

I have similarly reverted GMF's corresponding wiki page.

From the linked wiki page:

Here is the threading algorithm:

If a message has threading information, use that.

If a message does not have threading information:

I might be the only person who doesn't know but could someone possibly explain what threading information actually is? OK; if something starts "Re:" then I would see that as threading information, but what is there beyond that? How would I recognise it "by inspection"??

Chris

What I mean is I moved everything to one topic.?
I use that subject for a new email. Instead of dropping into that topic, it starts a new topic, same name exactly. ??

Just to update from my (brief) period of testing.
I've had the suggested filter in place for a couple of days now and haven't observed any different behaviour. Nothing blocked that should have got through and no spam received at all (or in my on-line spam box).
Again, it doesn't help with the problem but sometimes even no information can help the diagnosis.

Sue

Tim

It is good to know that. I used to rage against Artificial Intelligence until I found some real people using it, too.

I tried sending a group message with different words in the title just now, and all the messages came through properly and pretty quickly. I then sent another message with a title very similar to the offending title, and that got through promptly as well.

Perhaps BT Yahoo can learn from users marking messages as "not spam", but is just a very slow learner. It was exactly the same mailing list, so it should not be a bcc versus individual email issue. My BT Yahoo in fact receives mail with multiple blind copies from a number of sources. We just have to trust BT to be better at knowing which messages we wish to receive than we are.

I have a paid-for ISP for anything important.

Thanks

John Clube

Ken,

So I end up w/.several topics listed,
ALL have exactly the *same name *???

Nothing mysterious about that. There's nothing that says topics can't have the same Subject text. Just look at GMF's #changelog.

Trying to get a new message into the new topic, I copy/pasted the
title into an email.

If you mean that you edited the messages while pending, I've had mixed results with that. If the incoming messages have In-Reply-To fields in their headers that may derail your edit attempt.

I haven't taken the time yet to try and really track down the failed cases to see what the logic must have been.

Shal


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Lloyd,

I want to get to the individual user profile in the group and limit it
to just viewing by those group members.

You cannot. Only the member can set the Profile Privacy of his/her profile.

Shal


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I think, Lloyd, you would have to set up a database.?
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Databases

Frances

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On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 07:05 PM, lloyd lehrer wrote:

I cannot see a way to get to a profile limited to a specific group.? what are the steps to do that?

From any group page, select Subscription from the left-side menu bar, then click the Group Profile button at the top of the resulting page.

You can also go to /account, click the Identity button on the left-side menu bar, then?click the Edit button for any group profile that you want to edit. Be sure to change the Profile Privacy entry, if you want anyone else to see it.

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Bruce
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