On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 02:37 PM, Jonathan Sivier wrote:

Does "deleted" mean the messages associated with that topic are deleted and no longer in the archive? Does "locked" mean that no one can ever use that subject line ever again?

Yes, deleted means that specific thread/topic is deleted.? I use it for postings of #ForSale items so the topic gets deleted after a month.

No, locked just means that the specific thread/topic is locked, so no more replies are allowed.? It will still be in the archive for future reference, as many early topics in the Beta group are.? It doesn't keep someone from starting a new topic with the exact same subject line though.

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What do they mean by "topic deleted" and "topic locked"? Does "deleted" mean the messages associated with that topic are deleted and no longer in the archive? Does "locked" mean that no one can ever use that subject line ever again? What would be the point of doing either of these things? More useful would be a setting that ended the current thread and future postings with the same subject and hashtag would be considered to be a new thread. Is there some way to do that?

Jonathan

Thanks for the link. It appears to be a log-in problem which disables Groups.io export code. Mark wrote:

It appears that Yahoo changed their login system sometime in the last 24 hours or so [as of Dec 16], which broke our group export code. I don't know if or when I'll be able to work around it as it appears to want to go through some sort of captcha system.?Please pass this along to any interested parties.

I'm passing this along! LOL

Bruce Bowman wrote:

Whether this was purposely done to inhibit transfers from Yahoo->groups.io, we can only speculate.

I don't think we should speculate. If it's not known why Yahoo did this I think it should be so stated: We don't know.

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On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 10:17 AM, John Myers, KD8MQ wrote:

One question that I have. When did this take place? I just became aware of it (and this group) yesterday.

The problem seems to have arisen on Dec 16 (ref:?). There has been no follow-up as to when -- or even whether -- a work-around might occur.?

Whether this was purposely done to inhibit transfers from Yahoo->groups.io, we can only speculate.?

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One question that I have. When did this take place? I just became aware of it (and this group) yesterday.

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 05:24 PM, dave w wrote:

Download/ Save appears disabled across the board.

Clicking the Download button sends the file as a binary data stream. What your computer does with that stream depends on your browser settings. With images, most browsers will simply redisplay the image. To actually download it requires a right-click and a "save as."

There is a way to force a download from the server side, but I'm told that caused other problems and was subsequently abandoned.
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I'm just curious, what exactly did Yahoo do that made the transfers unworkable? Anyone know? My other question involves motives.

I think many people had the feeling that Yahoo probably hoped as many Yahoo groups as possible would leave for Groups.io. as it would reduce the size of Yahoo Groups activity, thereby the cost, and make scuttling Yahoo Groups altogether much easier. Fewer people left to complain. Has that changed? Did Yahoo take actions that disabled Groups.io ability to transfer groups (members, messages, photos, files, etc.) deliberately?

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On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 04:54 PM, Jonathan Sivier wrote:

Topic Duration - does this mean the messages will be deleted after a certain amount of time, or just that subsequent messages with the same subject and hashtag won't be considered part of the same thread?

It means the topic will be deleted after that time period. If you want it to be locked instead of deleted, tic the "lock topic" checkbox immediately below.

I can't really answer your other two questions for certain. I thought the alias was just another name for the same hashtag (so such constructs as #intro and #introduction could share a hashtag). But when I click in the box to set up an alias, a list of established hashtags pops up. So I don't know what the goal is, and the system help is completely silent on it.

I've always thought that the "Use by Mods Only" checkbox applied only to topic initiation, and does not disable replies at all...but that seems to contradict what the system help says. Perhaps other Moderators are able to reply, but no one else.* When I want to disable replies completely, I tic the "locked" checkbox.

Hope something in there helps,
Bruce

*Removing the hashtag does not affect the threading algorithm...it will still be merged with the existing topic (or blocked, as appropriate) if the rest of the subject line is unchanged.
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The closest I've seen (in other software) is where you setup a recurring
(for some range) and then you have an easy edit/review of these dates. You
then can 'edit/delete instance' for each of those dates. So the usual would
be entering for a year or two, then slide through the period and remove the
ones that conflict with the special days.

I've not seen any software that has some sort of script/logic to alter the
recurring for special events, only manual individual actions.

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On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 05:08 AM, David M wrote:

I use the calendar to send out notices to my group members about regular meetings, eg, monthly or fortnightly. This reminder a couple of days before has proven useful in getting more people to meetings.

However, we do not have a meeting in January as too many people are away. In another group, we have meetings on Mondays, and when Monday is a public holiday, there is no meeting.

Now I have the meeting notices set up as repeating events, monthly or fportnightly. To date, when I remember, I delete the offending event before it occurs. Mostly though, I forget and have to issue a message saying it is not going to happen! A bit embarrassing :-(

I would like to be able to define the repeating event to take account of the exceptions which often occur on predictable times, e,g not in January, or not on the first Monday in October.

I cannot see any way to add exceptions to the repeats. Would this be useful to anyone else?

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Interesting point. I don't recall seeing this functionality in any scheduling software I've used. But I can see where it would be useful.

As a feeble workaround, I would suggest including the exception rules in your reminder text.

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I use the calendar to send out notices to my group members about regular meetings, eg, monthly or fortnightly. This reminder a couple of days before has proven useful in getting more people to meetings.

However, we do not have a meeting in January as too many people are away. In another group, we have meetings on Mondays, and when Monday is a public holiday, there is no meeting.

Now I have the meeting notices set up as repeating events, monthly or fportnightly. To date, when I remember, I delete the offending event before it occurs. Mostly though, I forget and have to issue a message saying it is not going to happen! A bit embarrassing :-(

I would like to be able to define the repeating event to take account of the exceptions which often occur on predictable times, e,g not in January, or not on the first Monday in October.

I cannot see any way to add exceptions to the repeats. Would this be useful to anyone else?

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Donald,

The downside is that once you start the new group, I'm not sure what
happens if you still try to transfer the old messages from Yahoo after
new conversations have started.

The copied messages get assigned message numbers after the current messages, and possibly intermingled with ongoing postings.

This is not a big problem because the copied messages retain their original posting dates, so they appear in the "right" place in topics / messages lists (which are chronologically sorted).

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Brandy,

but I cannot directly add them to groups.io because that's a paid
feature.

In my PTA group I use the "Group Transfer (Premium For One Month)" plan once or twice each year to cover school registration and any major membership drives. It is a one-time payment and the group automatically drops back to Basic after 30 days.

Whether that's worth it to you would depend on how large a list you have, and how much you detest the hassle of following up invitations. At least invitations are more reliable (and tracked) at Groups.io than they were at Y!Groups. Faced with a few hundred parent's email addresses each school year, I've treated the Premium fee as an "in-kind" donation to the PTA.

I think during this time groups.io should open that feature to Yahoo
group owners who are now unable to transfer their groups.

That would open the feature up to spammers. The payment is a way of deterring them, so I don't think it is likely that Groups.io would make it free. Abuse by spammers is why the Direct Add feature disappeared from Yahoo Groups years ago.

You could suggest it anyway. Maybe Mark can figure out another way to prevent abuse.

Shal


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I just checked and was able to download photos a couple of different ways.? The most straight forward was to click the Download button under a photo, right click, select Save Image As on the menu, and save it.? The less optimal way was to open a photo, right click, select View Background Image, then do the right click / save on that image.? (I've found that the second method gives me a larger image due to the limit I've set for our photos on upload.)

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Brandy . . .

On Sat, 29 Dec 2018 16:31:36 -0500, "Brandy Brow"
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Thanks, Bruce. Yahoo lets me download the members in CSV, which I did (I have less than 1,000 members), but I cannot directly add them to groups.io because that's a paid feature.

If you can live with leaving the messages on the old Yahoo group and
start new from here on in the new group, how about taking the email
addresses and sending each of them (a few at a time) a link to the new
group to have them join? Or send out some invitations directly from
the group?

The downside is that once you start the new group, I'm not sure what
happens if you still try to transfer the old messages from Yahoo after
new conversations have started.

If your Y!G is still working, you can also wait it out to see what
happens. You would still have the current functionality of Yahoo
Groups until you can transfer or you find out that transfers are no
longer possible (I hope that won't be the case).

Donald


Join the Icom group, a general Icom discussion group on Groups.io:
/g/ICOM (just launched)

from Groups.
I thought (upon recognising in one area) this was a restricted Mod practice, but I have now checked 5 of the 20+ grpups including one I 'own' and they are all same.
Download/ Save appears disabled across the board.
Just for when and possible return to work Admins,
cheers and Best for New Year,
davew

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