Groups.io site updates #changelog

#13406

Hi all,

This week's change log:

Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

If there's anyone here who uses the API please identify and comment on any API-related changes that would be significant to API users. I don't and wouldn't know what to comment on.

NEW: We extend expiration of the login cookie each time a person
  accesses the site.After some discussion here in GMF about the 30-day expiration of Groups.io's login cookie and Jim's suggestion that it be extended on
each visit, I decided that the only advantage of the status quo was its brute simplicity. So I posted his suggestion to beta. /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/27769196
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/27315749

NEW: We have a new, non-expiring cookie that we use to determine when
  someone has previously been logged in, but whose cookie is now
  expired. In that case, we redirect the user to the login page, with
  a banner explaining that their login has expired.This was originally proposed as an alternative to extending the cookie. I'm glad to see it implemented also as it will help people who visit the site rarely enough to have the login expire.

BUGFIX: Topic/Message filter by custom date range didn't work if your
  date format preference was other than MM/DD/YYYY.Channeling Maui again, "You're welcome!"

  Fixing this introduced another bug which caused dates to not be
  shown in the Topics screen.Err, except for that.

Comments about these others are also welcome:

INTERNAL: In some situations we were not deleting all S3 data
  associated with a group when the group was deleted.
CHANGE: Text changes to the Yahoo Transfer screens to make things more
  clear - thanks Shal."You're welcome!"

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal

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Re: Reply offering choice of replying to group or to sender

#13405

Richard,

I don't understand why you would want all messages, via the settings,
to go only to sender.
If everyone did that the Group would have no messages.It may have plenty of messages, just no replies. Not all groups are about conversations.

One type of group that customarily operates this way are groups devoted to giving away unneeded items (Freecycle, Freegle, etc.). There a member posts an offer in the group, but all replies, which typically include personal contact info, go to the sender only.

Shal


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Re: Group messages being blocked to @cox.net addresses

#13404

It appears that progress has been made on this issue and that our groups/io vs Cox.net troubles might be over:?
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/fw_group_io_dns_name_server/28194425

Wim van Dam?
Solvang, CA

Re: FW: group.io dns name server issues

Jim Higgins

#13403

Woo hoo! Indeed! I was able to verify most of the Cox statement (below) maybe 15 minutes ago, but upon doing more checking I found that changes were being made by Groups.io as I was looking (actually were made a bit earlier and just now propagating).

If all the issues Cox mentioned are fixed this should fix not only the problems with mail delivery to Cox, but also head off problems elsewhere.

Jim H

Received from Harlan Steinle at 11/17/2018 06:41 AM UTC:

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One of my SSV Forum members did get this message from Tier2 Elite Support and I'm passing it on to you to see if you can be of any help to me.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: group.io dns name server issues
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:46:43 -0600
From: Tier 2 Elite Support

Groups.io nameserver DNS issues with cox.net email accounts. This is NOT a cox issue. Cox is NOT blocking groups.io from working. This is a DNS issue with groups.io with the DNS nameserver. Based on what I'm seeing the issue looks to be DNS related. We require valid nameserver reverse query and that is failing.

AIL: The following nameservers are listed at your nameservers as nameservers for your domain, but are not listed at the parent nameservers (see RFC2181 5.4.1). You need to make sure that these nameservers are working.If they are not working ok, you may have problems!

dns4.groups.io
dns3.groups.io

Missing nameservers reported by parent

In regarde to this issue who ever is running the groups.IO for the living community needs to reach out to groups.io and have them update DNS so the nameservers resolve properly. Cox can not do this it is not a server owned by Cox we can not touch this. Cox is not blocking this groups.io needs to update the DNS nameserver

This is not a monitored email account. Please do not send any inquiries.

Thank you,
Cox Communications

Re: FW: group.io dns name server issues

#13402

Harlan --

This looks very useful and may serve to finally fix this ongoing problem with cox.net!

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Unfortunately, no one within groups.io support monitors GroupManagersForum. Please send this same message to [email protected] so that Mark Fletcher can take appropriate action.

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Thanks!
Bruce

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FW: group.io dns name server issues

#13401

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Mark and Shal,

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For the past few weeks my ssv forum group has been plagued with Cox bouncing emails for several hundred of my forum members.? I’ve spent several hours talking with Cox Tier2 data people and so far they have not been much help.? I’ve had my members who are affected, and computer savvy enough, sending ‘unblock’ messages to? ‘unblock.requests@...’ but so far no real help. I’ve had limited success with unsubscribing then resubscribing some of the members who are showing as ‘bouncing’, but with over 2,100 members that is taking a lot of my time and isn’t totally effective in remedying the situation.

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One of my SSV Forum members did get this message from Tier2 Elite Support and I’m passing it on to you to see if you can be of any help to me.

Thanks for any input.

Harlan Steinle

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-------- Original Message --------

Subject:	group.io dns name server issues
Date:	Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:46:43 -0600
From:	Tier 2 Elite Support <omahatier2@...>
To:	kaloka@...

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Groups.io nameserver DNS issues with cox.net email accounts. This is NOT a cox issue. Cox is NOT blocking groups.io from working. This is a DNS issue with groups.io with the DNS nameserver. Based on what I’m seeing the issue looks to be DNS related.? We require valid nameserver reverse query and that is failing.?

AIL: The following nameservers are listed at your nameservers as nameservers for your domain, but are not listed at the parent nameservers (see RFC2181 5.4.1). You need to make sure that these nameservers are working.If they are not working ok, you may have problems!

dns4.groups.io

dns3.groups.io

??????? Missing nameservers reported by parent

In regarde to this issue who ever is running the groups.IO for the living community needs to reach out to groups.io and have them update DNS so the nameservers resolve properly. Cox can not do this it is not a server owned by Cox we can not touch this. Cox is not blocking this groups.io needs to update the DNS nameserver

**

This is not a monitored email account. Please do not send any inquiries.

Thank you,

Cox Communications

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Re: xemaps.com - invalid address?

Jim Higgins

#13400

Received from Hope Williamson via Groups.Io at 11/17/2018 03:36 AM UTC:

Hi, That's called a blacklist and you'll need to ask Mark to unblock it for you. I asked him to for Lavabit and he did. However I did submit sufficient evidence that it isn't currently a disposable email service.
Apples and oranges. Lavabit is an encrypted email service, not a temporary email address service. Xemaps.com is a disposable email address service. Their FAQ page even says that some places block their domain because of this.

Jim H

Re: Mysterious Email Problem

#13399

Tonight when I open my mail program there were over 90 emails downloaded, and 85 of them were from my group and GMF. All of them were delayed, until I got to the last one, and that was only seconds old. I sent an email to my group tonight, and I got a copy of it back almost instantly! That's the fastest I'm gotten email from Groups.io since this problem happened back around October 21st, and I'm crossing my finger Cox has fixed this issue.

Don

Re: When will transfer take place?

#13398

It was between 1 and 2 weeks for my group a couple of weeks ago. It sat at
the 'received invite' for over a week before it all happened.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Re: When will transfer take place?

#13397

I've been a paying customer for 2 months already.

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On Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 10:03 PM Su <randsjmj@... wrote:

Suggestion: upgrade for one month to transfer ($10)

After reading several such posts, I went ahead and signed up for the one-month-only transfer option for premium. A bargain at $10, I thought. Less than a day after I upgraded, I received the message that [email protected] had accepted my invitation and would begin my transfer. Another 12 hours later, and it was complete.

I'm not claiming that everyone will get the same results, but mine had sat in the queue like yours for a few days and then movement happened. Could have been coincidence, but I think not.

Re: xemaps.com - invalid address?

Hope Williamson

#13396

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Hi, That’s called a blacklist and you’ll need to ask Mark to unblock it for you. I asked him to for Lavabit and he did. However I did submit sufficient evidence that it isn’t currently a disposable email service. I pay $30 yearly for this address. I signed up during a promotional period, so I got half-price.

??? However, I could easily abandon this address and get a new one somewhere else. Then do the same with that one 6-8 months later. All addresses are temporary in nature. Of course I’m not going to do that for several reasons.

??? She could get a secondary address for groups.io lists. I did that for a while before it just got annoying, and I wanted to use this one. If the service is used for spam, it most likely won’t be whitelisted.

Re: When will transfer take place?

#13395

Suggestion: upgrade for one month to transfer ($10)

After reading several such posts, I went ahead and signed up for the one-month-only transfer option for premium. A bargain at $10, I thought. Less than a day after I upgraded, I received the message that [email protected] had accepted my invitation and would begin my transfer. Another 12 hours later, and it was complete.

I'm not claiming that everyone will get the same results, but mine had sat in the queue like yours for a few days and then movement happened. Could have been coincidence, but I think not.

Re: xemaps.com - invalid address?

#13394

Ah. That's probably it. Wonder if it's possible to make the error for these domains clearer -- something like "Blocked domain"??

Vivian

Re: xemaps.com - invalid address?

#13393

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 07:05 PM, Vivian Neou wrote:

Does groups.io reject mail to these services?

Probably.? From what Mark mentioned awhile back on the beta group, he's blocking as many of the 'disposable email' domains as he can to help keep out the spammers.? He doesn't make the list available because that would help the spammers find one that they can use.

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xemaps.com - invalid address?

#13392

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Hi -

One of my recently transferred lists from Yahoo has a member that uses xemaps.com (one of those services that maps a "disposable" address to your real address). During the transfer, her address was rejected as invalid. I've tried sending invitations, but everything to that domain seems to be marked as invalid:

test@...: Invalid email address

Does groups.io reject mail to these services? Is there any way for her to subscribe from her address on this service? I haven't been able to find any documentation about this.

regards,
Vivian

can you search a phrase?

#13391

The wiki says you search??AND, OR and NOT. You can also search for quoted phrases.
However, when I try to search a quoted phrase I'm getting posts with the individual words.

I'm wondering if something changed since this wiki went up or if it's a temporary problem.

Thanks,
Rachel

Re: When will transfer take place?

#13390

I am also still waiting. I sent the invites 5 days ago, and the status at groups.io says it received the invite.?
I was planning on a migration cutover on Dec 1st, but that seems unlikely now.?

Re: Column Width in a Database

[email protected]

#13389

Thanks for that?information.

All of the column headings were typed in.

I will play around some more with each column first.

If that doesn't work Since I am the only one who is going to enter information in that database and I have it set so only?I and my Moderator can?view it, I can make the column that I need longer by writing jibberish as the heading to expand that column and then cut the other columns short by only writing one word in them.

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I didn't know it was pixels.

I was putting numbers like 10 in the one I want larger and -5 for the one I want smaller.

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Ilene

[excess quote trimmed by moderator]

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Re: Column Width in a Database

#13388

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 10:15 AM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:

I set up a database and I am trying to make 1 column longer then the rest and 1 column shorter the the other 5 columns.

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Whatever number I plug into the Display Width box, it seems that no change has been made to any of the columns width. The size remains the same as if it was set to default zero.

There are limitations to how much adjusting can be done, due to dynamic html rendering requirements. For example, for a table entry of type "single line text," a browser may refuse to split or truncate a lengthy word, even if you make the column width shorter. So you may find that your browser refuses to render a column at a narrower width than the width of the longest word found among all the entries in that column. I hope that made sense.

Also make sure that all whitespace in table entries consist of regular spaces (ASCII 32). If you've pasted something into the table that contains html non-breaking spaces ( ), text-wrapping cannot occur there.

Perhaps most importantly, keep in mind that these Display Widths are in pixels, not characters. How things wrap will depend on both screen width and font size...what looks good on your screen may be horrible on someone else's. For that reason I recommend that you stick with the 0 defaults.

If none of this dissuades you from leaving well enough alone, it's best to play with these column settings one at a time. As a first approximation, try incrementally decreasing the width of the column you want to make narrower, while leaving the rest at zero. Once you get to the point that you like the width of this column you can then experiment with making the other one wider.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: Main address changes when creating a subgroup? #subgroups

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On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 12:28 PM, Ocean Elf wrote:

I also experimented with the subgroup functionality, and then decided I didn't want the subgroup.

But that didn't turn the newly created subdomain back into the bit before the @groups.io.

No it won't...but you can still access the group under the old address, which will be redirected to the subdomain one.

So then I discovered that the name of the subdomain could be changed, and thought I'd make it shorter.

Now there's another problem.

I can't access the group. It says server not found.

What the heck!?

Changing the name of a group or subgroup affects nameserver table entries. You will have to wait awhile until those are updated, at which point you should be able to access the renamed subgroup.?

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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