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Re: Is it possible to move only the files from a Yahoo! Group?

 

You should be able to start a new transfer, then select only files during the actual transfer step.? Just make sure the total size will fit in your group without going over the storage limit.

Duane
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Re: How can I set subscriber privs so they cannot Open a New Topic, or edit but not delete their posts?

 

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 05:55 PM, <webmaster@...> wrote:
Therefore, I want to disallow subscribers from opening new topics?? How can I do that?
You could moderate all replies so that a new topic isn't started, but there's no way restrict it directly.

There's a possible work-around.? You could set up a single hashtag that was for use by moderators only, require the use of an existing hashtag on messages, then use it when first posting a message.? This would require that the person that starts the discussion be a moderator.


Also, I would like subscribers to be able to edit their posts/replies, but not to delete them.? How can I do that?
Can't be done.? If they can edit, they can delete.? Actually, I think they can delete even if they can't edit, but I haven't verified that.? There was some discussion about this on the beta group awhile back.? I think the GDPR (in Europe) took it out of consideration.

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Is it possible to move only the files from a Yahoo! Group?

 

Is it possible to move only the files from a Yahoo! Group and if so how do I do it?
The bulk moving of files feature was launched after I created my group. I have a lot of files that still need moving and wonder if there is an easier way to do this?

Thanks,

Sam
Moderator of the LeCroyOwnersGroup on groups.io and
LeCroy_Owners_Group on Yahoo! Groups
Re: Group messages being blocked to @cox.net addresses

 

Chris,


FWIW - and this is a purely personal opinion - I regard not setting oneself up with a permanent password as lazy, careless, or actively negligent.

I've found that when using a mobile device it is far easier to use the email link to login than trying to copy/paste a password (or worse, type one). Members who predominantly or exclusively use a mobile device for group access are likely to prefer the login link.

The argument against setting up a password is that the password can be phished or otherwise stolen, and too many people use weak passwords because it is easier for them. In that sense not having a password is actually more secure, though a potential problem if your email account gets disabled by your service.

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I know it's actually a matter of personal choice but in my view not doing it restricts members' "freedom of movement" and finishes up being an additional, unnecessary, and avoidable burden on Owners and Moderators.

I think your confounding clueless members (who'll be a burden in any case) with those who deliberately choose to forego a password.

Shal


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How can I set subscriber privs so they cannot Open a New Topic, or edit but not delete their posts?

 

I have opened a new group.? We intend ti use it for on-line meetings, where the is only one topic, and all participants simply reply to previous postings.? Therefore, I want to disallow subscribers from opening new topics?? How can I do that?

Also, I would like subscribers to be able to edit their posts/replies, but not to delete them.? How can I do that?
Reply to Sender not working #bug

 

I set the options for all of my groups to Reply to Sender and yet when you hit Reply, it is going to the whole group, please help!!
Re: Mysterious Email Problem

 

Don,

For?Most Recent Successful Delivery?it says:
Message? Post To Subscriber?
Delivered? Oct 28?
Response? 2.0.0 GzgZgPPKNk7oUGzgcgX5vH mail accepted for delivery

Ok, that's odd.Usually the Message subject line (including group tag) and message number appear in the Message field. "Post To Subscriber" is something new I just noticed recently, and I put in a support request about it.

But that aside, the 2.0.0 response code is a delivery success, as it says. So at least that message made it to your email service. What happened to it from there I don't know.


Something else I'm noticing is I am getting emails through my Outlook program from GMF and others, but not any from GMF on this thread "Mysterious Email Problem."

That sounds an awfully lot like (content-based) spam filter behavior. Maybe Donald's hint about checking the web interface of your email service is on target - assuming that's not where you normally read messages.

Shal


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Re: Group messages being blocked to @cox.net addresses

 

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 09:47 PM, Bart Fried wrote:
In any event, does anyone know if? there is a work-around where I can set a password for him, so he can have full access?
Yes and no in that order, but he can set up full access for himself! Email your member direct and advise him to go to / which he should see as the Log In / Set Up page. I am going to assume that he has never set himself up with a permanent password to avoid having to ask for one to be emailed from time to time. He should click on Set Up and follow the instructions from there; he will be able to equip himself with a password that will work in perpetuity, while still working to the 30 day rule, whereby once logged in a cookie will be placed on his PC (or whatever he is using) that will allow him to close Groups.io and return to it without having to specifically log in each time until 30 days have elapsed, after which he will have to log in again with his permanent password. Your member MUST set up with the email address he normally uses for Groups.io activity.?

FWIW - and this is a purely personal opinion - I regard not setting oneself up with a permanent password as lazy, careless, or actively negligent. I know it's actually a matter of personal choice but in my view not doing it restricts members' "freedom of movement" and finishes up being an additional, unnecessary, and avoidable burden on Owners and Moderators.

Chris
Re: Moderated first message (MF)

 

Mike,

It has the date of the date received and not when it was first sent.? I honestly don't see what difference
that makes anyway.?

With the Pending message open you can use the View Source link (to the right of the buttons) to examine the headers of the message. Of particular interest is the Message-ID field. If that's different each time it means that the member sent the message more than once - which would not be a Groups.io bug. Some members do that when they don't see their message post immediately.

If it is the same for each instance the question becomes where did the message get duplicated. The Received fields might answer that, but it probably requires Support to resolve why.

Shal


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Re: Group messages being blocked to @cox.net addresses

 

Our group is a recent migration from Yahoo! Three members use Cox.net as their ISP. One of them is active in the group and reported two days ago that he was unable to receive the login verification email in 'real time', ie. within the timeout period. They are showing up about 24 hours later. He needs to set his password and to be able to log into the site and set his profile, etc. Note that he is getting the regular emails, Just not the item that is a Noreply type of email.

This leads me to think that the problem is on Cox.net's side and that they are holding the email for anti-spam verification or similar. He tells me that they are uncooperative and telling him its the forum server's issue.

In any event, does anyone know if? there is a work-around where I can set a password for him, so he can have full access?

Thanks,

Bart
Re: Mysterious Email Problem

 

Something else I'm noticing is I am getting emails through my Outlook program from GMF and others, but not any from GMF on this thread "Mysterious Email Problem."

Don
Re: Moderated first message (MF)

 

It has the date of the date received and not when it was first sent.? I honestly don't see what difference
that makes anyway.? Thanks for the suggestion of support.

Mike
Re: Moderated first message (MF)

 

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 02:54 PM, <Mike@...> wrote:
While the concept of moderate the first message of every topic this person starts, in practice I'm being asked
every day to approve the same message that has already been approved and posted.
If it has the same time stamp and is truly the same message, you should report it to [email protected]?? Since this is a 'new' feature, there may be a few bugs that have slipped in.

Duane
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Moderated first message (MF)

 

While the concept of moderate the first message of every topic this person starts, in practice I'm being asked
every day to approve the same message that has already been approved and posted.

The only way I've been able to stop this is to go to the Web page and delete the message.? I have since
changed all MF members (about 6) back to M (moderated) where once a message is approved, I never
have to deal with it again, until the next post.

Any help is appreciated.

Mike
Re: Under-quoting (was: Attachment storage question)

 

On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:10 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Bruce wrote:
As far as an editor tool goes, if you train people to click on the
quote button in the message editor (bubble to the left of the Formats
pull-down on the menu bar), it will give the effect you want.
The other option is to select the part of the message you want quoted before clicking Reply. Refer your members to this help:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-composition-tips-and-tricks
Thank you. I think that works best, even though a bit counter intuitive ¡ª highlighting part of a separate message before replying to it in another message!

Thanks,
Sharon
Re: Automatic logout 30-days after login

 

This thread should be put to bed with no change to the site.
Groups.io allows users to access the web site up to 30 days without logging in, after which they must re-authenticate to prove they are who they say they are.?
This is a security feature because:
  • cookies are used to store the authentication token,
  • cookies can be hijacked and thus allowing a non-member to access the site,
  • computers can be stolen/sold with cookies stored which could allow a non-member to access the site,
  • requiring re-authentication limits the time window for this risk to 30 days.
Asking a user to re-authenticate has?nothing to do with their subscription to any groups, only their access to the web site.? The 30 day window is a generous time frame,?
Toby
Re: Automatic logout 30-days after login

 

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 03:42 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
If that were the case, only folks who don't visit at all for 30 days would be prone to thinking they'd been dropped as subscribers.
I propose to ignore the small voice that is telling me that I am going to waste my time typing this, but here goes anyway...

Can you please clarify whether it is you or some of your members who think that being automatically logged out by virtue of a 30 - day cookie expiring is one and the same thing as being dropped as subscribers. In the absence of information to the contrary I shall take "dropped as subscribers" to mean unsubscribed for marking a message as spam. At the risk of stating the obvious the two scenarios are not one and the same thing. ?

Now if it is (some of) your members who think that they are synonymous then you as an Owner or Moderator are under an obligation to inform them of the difference between the two situations. If, however, it is you who believes the two situations to be the same thing then you yourself have a duty to do some research in the various "help" sections to find out what the difference between the two actually is, and having done that, pass the information on to your members. IIRC the two concepts have been mentioned in the same breath by you before, and I simply cannot work out for myself whether you think the are one and the same thing or not.

It is worth mentioning that even if you got your way over non - expiring cookies, the possibility of a member being unsubscribed for marking a message as spam would still arise with no greater or lesser probability than exists now. Similarly members might find their email deliveries from Groups.io being suspended because their Mail Service Provider is "bouncing" incoming emails; again that is not the same thing as being unsubscribed from Groups.io.

It is essential that any departure from "expected system behaviour" is very carefully described; if it isn't then questions posed on the basis of an incomplete or loosely worded account of the situation are likely to attract answers that answer a problem that is different to that which actually exists.

Chris
Re: Automatic logout 30-days after login

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Gerald Boutin at 10/28/2018 04:15 AM UTC:
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On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 04:31 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
30 days would be a lot more convenient (and a lot more "normal" vs other
sites) if the login cookie were renewed for 30 days each time I logged in.

If that were the case, only folks who don't log in at all for 30 days would be
prone to thinking they'd been dropped as subscribers.


Jim,

The cookie DOES renew each time you log in. Logging in means entering your account and password. Is there some reason you can't / don't do that?


Oy veh! I need to remember not to say "Log in" and instead say "visit the Gio site." This is the only place I've ever found the definition of log in to be restricted to the manual entry of a password... in my world it also includes admission via a stored cookie. Also in my world I'm not "logged in" unless I'm engaged in an active session with the site. It makes no sense to me to say I'm still "logged in" if I haven't visited the site in a week.

That said... in the spirit of "when in Rome..." let me try again and see if I get a different response... and hope I can get used to this definition for the future...

30 days would be a lot more convenient (and a lot more "normal" vs other sites) if the stored cookie were renewed for 30 days each time I visit the Gio site.

If that were the case, only folks who don't visit at all for 30 days would be prone to thinking they'd been dropped as subscribers.

Jim H
Re: Mysterious Email Problem

 

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 01:15 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
is your Message Selection set to "All Messages"?
Shal,

Yes.

Regarding Greylisting, I did send a test message to myself using the Group Owner email link on my home page, and it arrived hours later. I sent two more after that, and so far I haven't received them.

"does it indicate any recent Successful or Unsuccessful Attempts?" Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt -?No email deliveries

For?Most Recent Successful Delivery?it says:
MessagePost To SubscriberDeliveredOct 28Response2.0.0 GzgZgPPKNk7oUGzgcgX5vH mail accepted for deliveryDon
Re: Mysterious Email Problem

 

One more piece of information might be useful to solve this puzzle.

Is this an Outlook.com account, an ISP account that you read at
Outlook.com, or an ISP account you receive in the email client that's
in MS Office called Outlook?

Many use Outlook to refer to both the program and the webmail service,
and they are not the same. If you're using your ISP email account and
reading it in the Outlook program that comes with Office, or even
having Outlook.com (the Webmail account) retrieve your ISP email, the
problem might be with your ISP's spam filter, not any in Outlook (the
program) or Outlook.com.

Addressing the ISP's spam filter for your account might require some
digging on your part to find out how to make changes to it or might
need a support call. I set my ISP spam filter to send me what it
thinks is spam but to mark it as spam in the subject line. Usually it
is spam but before I did that, I was not receiving some emails that
weren't spam because the ISP's filter though it was.

Donald

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 01:13:33 -0700, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
wrote:


If none of these turn up any new clues then I think I'm stumped.

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