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Re: Wiki

 

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Ken,

ive figures out how to make the ¡°table of my topics page¡± but when making a true ToC, what is the first line of garbage that appears in brackets (understand it¡¯s part of the coding for sub heading levels) but WHY????

The TOC is the one aspect of the wiki editor that isn't WYSIWYG. When editing you see a code that is a placeholder for the TOC. You can edit the number in there to change the number of levels, and/or the text to change the heading. For example:
Screen shot of TOC code

When you save the edit it will render as a TOC:
?Screen shot of a rendered TOC

Shal


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Re: why has my group not been transfered to io. i have done everything more than once. HELP. oscalelayouts@ yahoo.groups.com

 

Jim,

How long do i have to wait. Its been over 2 months.
The backlog is currently less than one week. So check your In Process page, there should be a status box at the top.

Most likely you missed a step somewhere along the way.

Shal


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why has my group not been transfered to io. i have done everything more than once. HELP. oscalelayouts@ yahoo.groups.com

 

How long do i have to wait. Its been over 2 months.?
Re: problem with groups.io

 

Sandra,

I have not been able to open up the groups.io site all evening. Is
there something going on?
Not from my direction. I've been popping in to approve posts all day long (including yours just now).

Shal


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Re: Members show up as both members and invitees (unaccepted)

 

vijaybhuchar,

Some of the invitees who have joined (possibly not through the
invitation process but separately via web or subscription email) are
still showing up as "invited" instead of "accepted".
If they joined the group by other means then that makes sense: they didn't actually accept the invitation.

Where can I suggest that when the IT people get some time there could
be a process to check if when someone subscribes that their email
address is matched to an invited email address so that this
information is updated.
That's a good suggestion. The official "suggestion box" is the beta group:


You could suggest that the status change to "joined", to keep that case distinct from "accepted".

Shal


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problem with groups.io

 

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I have not been able to open up the groups.io site all evening.? Is there something going on?

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Sandra Pickens

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Re: Problem Subscribing

 

vijaybhuchar,

I have noticed that his email address is of the form name@... ?where "owndomain" is his name.? I think that it's a virtual domain and the problem is that he might be using a bigger isp to relay his mail.

There are plenty of GMF members (and members in my other groups) who use custom domains for their email, and yes those typically are handled by hosting organizations that offer that service. That of itself wouldn't cause a problem.

As Toby and Jim have said, more detail on the message he gets back might help us determine, or at least guess, what happened.?

Unlike Jim I think it is relatively unlikely that the service he uses would be so badly misconfigured that it fails the test Jim mentioned ("reverse DNS"). Were that the case the member would have difficulty communicating with just about any large email or list service - he probably would be unable to get a message through to you, for example.

Shal


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Re: Problem Subscribing

Jim Higgins
 

Received from vijaybhuchar via Groups.Io at 9/4/2018 07:47 PM UTC:

I have someone who keeps trying to reply to the confirmation email but keeps getting "undelivered" message back.

I have noticed that his email address is of the form name@... where "owndomain" is his name. I think that it's a virtual domain and the problem is that he might be using a bigger isp to relay his mail.

Can anyone advise?

I think you're probably right... and that there's a fair chance that the provider of his vanity domain hasn't set it up properly so the receiving server can find matching "MX" and "A" records that make it feel comfortable the source isn't a spammer or the like. In short, he needs to contact the folks who set up his vanity domain.

But also... he's certainly getting far more info than just "undelivered message." Had that been provided in full a more definitive answer could have been given. and even so, the best advice is still that he contact his hosting service.

Jim H
Re: a list member having trouble unsubscribing

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Jonathan Sivier at 9/3/2018 11:29 PM UTC:

I got a note from a member of one of my lists today. She says she was trying to unsubscribe, but that the unsubscribe website makes it impossible because it demands agreement to the cookies before pushing the unsubscribe "leave group" option. I'm not quite sure what this means.

It's an all too common (and false) conception that cookies are akin to viruses. They can think that if they want to, and you get to decide whether you're going to let them make extra work for you as a result. ;-)

Jim H
Re: Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?

Emre Brookes
 

Bruce Bowman wrote:
There is also no ability to completely disable subscriber web access to the group message archive, as one could do in Y!G. We have had a few people who didn't want groups.io to save the messages, only to relay them. As a group settings option this idea hasn't [yet] gotten any traction.
Supporting this would be in the spirit of GDRP
Whether or not groups.io feels the need to be GDPR compliant, I will leave to others.

-e.
Re: Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?

 

Gaute --

Subscribers are not forced to create a groups.io account, with associated login credentials or anything like that. Their email address IS their "account." This has both benefits and a few downsides.

There is also no ability to completely disable subscriber web access to the group message archive, as one could do in Y!G. We have had a few people who didn't want groups.io to save the messages, only to relay them. As a group settings option this idea hasn't [yet] gotten any traction.

So...groups.io can function as mail-only (similar to Mailman or a listserv) if that's what a subscriber wants.?I'd estimate that about 3/4ths of the people in my primary group interact exclusively via email and seem entirely content with groups.io. I believe they're missing out on a few things that way but it's entirely their choice.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: Problem Subscribing

 

Vijay,
We need to see the full text of the error message he is getting back in order to help.
Thanks
Toby
Re: Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?

 

Gaute,

The group must be private and closed, invite or import only.

In the Privacy section of your group's Settings page select "Group not listed in directory, private messages" for the Visibility option. In the Spam Control section checkmark Restricted Membership.

These settings won't prevent people from sending a +subscribe command to your group, or clicking on the Apply For Membership In This Group button on the group's home page, but it will ensure that anyone that does will be put into a pending queue for moderator approval - which you are free to withhold.

The use of a web-interface should be optional, and not actively encouraged.
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It is optional. People you Invite or Direct Add to the group need not visit any Groups.io pages, they can receive and post entirely by email. See also the list of Email Commands.

( the exception could be a unsubscribe form, which under NO circumstances should require you to log in, get a password or consent to anything. )
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The +unsubscribe email command (see the list cited above) works without web action. The member will be sent a confirmation request by email, and they must reply to it before the unsubscribe takes effect (that's true of all of the email commands).
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Ideally mail clients should reply to sender when clicking "reply", and sender+group when clicking "reply all".
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Mail clients do what mail clients do. The best you can do is choose Sender for your Reply To option in the
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Message Policies section of the group's Settings. Not all mail clients will obey the Reply-To header field that Groups.io puts into the outbound message, according to this setting, and not all mail clients will recognize the list address for the purpose of Reply All. Some will display a Reply List instead of Reply All, which is arguably clearer.

Shal

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Re: Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?

Glenn Glazer
 

Hello, Gaute.

I run two groups.io groups that were formerly Yahoo! groups and they work exactly as all four of your bullet points below require.
  • Both groups are private, invite only.
  • The only time any of us (except me, for admin duties) goes to the web interface is to upload or retrieve a file.
  • Your email to this group was received by me using Thunderbird and responded to by hitting the reply button.
Best,

Glenn
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On 9/4/2018 11:32, Gaute Amundsen wrote:
Hi all.

I just signed up to set up a list for parents in the school our sons go to.

Everything there now happens with big nasty CC or BCC lists, and there is a strong "gravitation" towards starting a Facebook group, which I'm trying to forestall.

However I'm starting to doubt whether groups.io is a suitable tool for what I want to do.

I have a few requirements:
  • The group must be private and closed, invite or import only.
  • The use of a web-interface should be optional, and not actively encouraged.
  • ( the exception could be a unsubscribe form, which under NO circumstances should require you to log in, get a password or consent to anything. )
  • Ideally mail clients should reply to sender when clicking "reply", and sender+group when clicking "reply all".
The reason for this is to make the experience as simple and "frictionless" as possible. There are some very non-techy people in our group, that would be perfectly happy if all the Internet existed inside their FB app. Many have probably never participated in a mailinglist before and are already in a half-panic about all the email they get at work. If they click on something that asks them to create an account it will never happen, and the FB group will be created.

After spending an hour testing groups.io it seems that only the first of my point can be satisfied here.
Considering the press that groups.io has been getting, this is a bit surprising to me, and so I would be happy if someone more knowledgeable can confirm my understanding.

Regards
Gaute Amundsen


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Problem Subscribing

 

I have someone who keeps trying to reply to the confirmation email but keeps getting "undelivered" message back.

I have noticed that his email address is of the form name@... ?where "owndomain" is his name. ?I think that it's a virtual domain and the problem is that he might be using a bigger isp to relay his mail.

Can anyone advise?
Re: #membership #membership

 

Gerald:
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Sorry. ?I wasn¡¯t clear. ?I reached this conclusion by reading this thread and searching around the net. ?If I try to get the membership lists in sync and it works or it fails, I will document it in this thread.

Best regards,
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Brent

On Sep 4, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

Brent,

It will be useful if you can document exactly what is not working. In other words, the steps you are taking and the results / error messages. In case no one on the GMF forum has direct experience with Slack integration,?this information will also be required to submit the issue to technical support (email: support AT groups DOT io)
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group

 

There is one other use we recently discovered for the old Yahoo group. It can be used for an oversize image repository.

A member wanted to post a very useful large image on the groups.io site, but there wasn't room. Resampling the image (a map) down made it useless. So the moderator could temporarily allow posting so we could use to old group to save the large image. Members who hadn't unsubscribed from the old group were then able to go there to see/download the file.

Dano
Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?

Gaute Amundsen
 

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Hi all.

I just signed up to set up a list for parents in the school our sons go to.

Everything there now happens with big nasty CC or BCC lists, and there is a strong "gravitation" towards starting a Facebook group, which I'm trying to forestall.

However I'm starting to doubt whether groups.io is a suitable tool for what I want to do.

I have a few requirements:
  • The group must be private and closed, invite or import only.
  • The use of a web-interface should be optional, and not actively encouraged.
  • ( the exception could be a unsubscribe form, which under NO circumstances should require you to log in, get a password or consent to anything. )
  • Ideally mail clients should reply to sender when clicking "reply", and sender+group when clicking "reply all".
The reason for this is to make the experience as simple and "frictionless" as possible. There are some very non-techy people in our group, that would be perfectly happy if all the Internet existed inside their FB app. Many have probably never participated in a mailinglist before and are already in a half-panic about all the email they get at work. If they click on something that asks them to create an account it will never happen, and the FB group will be created.

After spending an hour testing groups.io it seems that only the first of my point can be satisfied here.
Considering the press that groups.io has been getting, this is a bit surprising to me, and so I would be happy if someone more knowledgeable can confirm my understanding.

Regards
Gaute Amundsen
Re: #membership #membership

Gerald Boutin
 

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 08:38 AM, Brent wrote:

At this time, it appears as though the advertised feature to sync between a Slack group membership list a groups.io membership list is not implemented or supported.? If this is wrong, please reply.

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For the UNB Amateur Radio Club, I have groups named unbamateurradioclub in both systems.? I expect that these lists will evolve differently and have different uses as groups.io posts are archived indefinitely and for unpaid Slack groups only the most recent ten thousand messages maybe searched.

Brent,

It will be useful if you can document exactly what is not working. In other words, the steps you are taking and the results / error messages. In case no one on the GMF forum has direct experience with Slack integration,?this information will also be required to submit the issue to groups.io technical support (email: support AT groups DOT io)
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Re: Wiki

 

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
but when making a true ToC, what is the first line of garbage that appears in brackets(etc).
See this recent thread on TOC usage.

I suspect a manually-created bulleted list and anchor tags will ultimately leave you less frustrated.
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Bruce
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