Re: Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?
Hello, Gaute. I run two groups.io groups that were formerly Yahoo! groups and they work exactly as all four of your bullet points below require.
- Both groups are private, invite only.
- The only time any of us (except me, for admin duties) goes to the web interface is to upload or retrieve a file.
- Your email to this group was received by me using Thunderbird and responded to by hitting the reply button.
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On 9/4/2018 11:32, Gaute Amundsen wrote:
Hi all.
I just signed up to set up a list for parents in the school our sons go to.
Everything there now happens with big nasty CC or BCC lists, and there is a strong "gravitation" towards starting a Facebook group, which I'm trying to forestall.
However I'm starting to doubt whether groups.io is a suitable tool for what I want to do.
I have a few requirements:
- The group must be private and closed, invite or import only.
- The use of a web-interface should be optional, and not actively encouraged.
- ( the exception could be a unsubscribe form, which under NO circumstances should require you to log in, get a password or consent to anything. )
- Ideally mail clients should reply to sender when clicking "reply", and sender+group when clicking "reply all".
The reason for this is to make the experience as simple and "frictionless" as possible. There are some very non-techy people in our group, that would be perfectly happy if all the Internet existed inside their FB app. Many have probably never participated in a mailinglist before and are already in a half-panic about all the email they get at work. If they click on something that asks them to create an account it will never happen, and the FB group will be created.
After spending an hour testing groups.io it seems that only the first of my point can be satisfied here.
Considering the press that groups.io has been getting, this is a bit surprising to me, and so I would be happy if someone more knowledgeable can confirm my understanding.
Regards
Gaute Amundsen
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I have someone who keeps trying to reply to the confirmation email but keeps getting "undelivered" message back.
I have noticed that his email address is of the form name@... ?where "owndomain" is his name. ?I think that it's a virtual domain and the problem is that he might be using a bigger isp to relay his mail.
Can anyone advise?
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Gerald:
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Sorry. ?I wasn¡¯t clear. ?I reached this conclusion by reading this thread and searching around the net. ?If I try to get the membership lists in sync and it works or it fails, I will document it in this thread.
On Sep 4, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Gerald Boutin < groupsio@...> wrote:
Brent,
It will be useful if you can document exactly what is not working. In other words, the steps you are taking and the results / error messages. In case no one on the GMF forum has direct experience with Slack integration,?this information will also be required to submit the issue to technical support (email: support AT groups DOT io)
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
There is one other use we recently discovered for the old Yahoo group. It can be used for an oversize image repository.
A member wanted to post a very useful large image on the groups.io site, but there wasn't room. Resampling the image (a map) down made it useless. So the moderator could temporarily allow posting so we could use to old group to save the large image. Members who hadn't unsubscribed from the old group were then able to go there to see/download the file.
Dano
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Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?
Hi all.
I just signed up to set up a list for parents in the school our sons
go to.
Everything there now happens with big nasty CC or BCC lists, and
there is a strong "gravitation" towards starting a Facebook group,
which I'm trying to forestall.
However I'm starting to doubt whether groups.io is a suitable tool
for what I want to do.
I have a few requirements:
- The group must be private and closed, invite or import only.
- The use of a web-interface should be optional, and not
actively encouraged.
- ( the exception could be a unsubscribe form, which under NO
circumstances should require you to log in, get a password or
consent to anything. )
- Ideally mail clients should reply to sender when clicking
"reply", and sender+group when clicking "reply all".
The reason for this is to make the experience as simple and
"frictionless" as possible. There are some very non-techy people in
our group, that would be perfectly happy if all the Internet existed
inside their FB app. Many have probably never participated in a
mailinglist before and are already in a half-panic about all the
email they get at work. If they click on something that asks them to
create an account it will never happen, and the FB group will be
created.
After spending an hour testing groups.io it seems that only the
first of my point can be satisfied here.
Considering the press that groups.io has been getting, this is a bit
surprising to me, and so I would be happy if someone more
knowledgeable can confirm my understanding.
Regards
Gaute Amundsen
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On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 08:38 AM, Brent wrote:
At this time, it appears as though the advertised feature to sync between a Slack group membership list a groups.io membership list is not implemented or supported.? If this is wrong, please reply.
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For the UNB Amateur Radio Club, I have groups named unbamateurradioclub in both systems.? I expect that these lists will evolve differently and have different uses as groups.io posts are archived indefinitely and for unpaid Slack groups only the most recent ten thousand messages maybe searched.
Brent, It will be useful if you can document exactly what is not working. In other words, the steps you are taking and the results / error messages. In case no one on the GMF forum has direct experience with Slack integration,?this information will also be required to submit the issue to groups.io technical support (email: support AT groups DOT io) ? -- Gerald
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On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
but when making a true ToC, what is the first line of garbage that appears in brackets(etc).
See this recent thread on TOC usage. I suspect a manually-created bulleted list and anchor tags will ultimately leave you less frustrated. ? Regards, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Shal,
I will try that, thanks!
ive figures out how to make the ¡°table of my topics page¡± but when making a true ToC, what is the first line of garbage that appears in brackets (understand it¡¯s part of the coding for sub heading levels) but WHY????
and can I make it vaporize? ?(Other than white on white text)
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Yep Ken, this is another case of innocuous inline styles being stripped by the wiki editor upon save. Been there, done that, have already complained about it in beta. Meanwhile, I've found that I've had more success using deprecated constructs such as img align="center". I believe this still works in all browsers but that could [of course] change someday. Hope this helps, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Members show up as both members and invitees (unaccepted)
Some of the invitees who have joined (possibly not through the invitation process but separately via web or subscription email) are still showing up as "invited" instead of "accepted".?
Where can I suggest that when the IT people get some time there could be a process to check if when someone subscribes that their email address is matched to an invited email address so that this information is updated.
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At this time, it appears as though the advertised feature to sync between a Slack group membership list a groups.io membership list is not implemented or supported.? If this is wrong, please reply.
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For the UNB Amateur Radio Club, I have groups named unbamateurradioclub in both systems.? I expect that these lists will evolve differently and have different uses as groups.io posts are archived indefinitely and for unpaid Slack groups only the most recent ten thousand messages maybe searched.
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
On 2018-09-03 2:32 p.m., Barbara Howard wrote: Is it time to close it down completely or will this just happen in due course without
input from me? If it's up to me, then how do I go about it? When I shut down my lists on Yahoo: * banned all existing members; * unsubscribed all banned members; * set subscribe to invite only; * set the list to private; * Changed the list description to list only the new list URL; Due to the way YahooGroups was setup at the time, I had to ban the members, in order to unsubscribe them. Seemed stupid to me at the time, but such was the state of YahooGroups. I did not delete the lists. Roughly five years before I shuttered my lists, several similar lists closed their doors, with the list-owner deleting them. Within six months, the list names were re-used, except the topic was pron, rather than the subject implied by the list-name. jonathon
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Ken, I wanted them centered but to no avail ¡ª whatever I tried they revert
bank to slammed left margin. Not fatal, but not great. I had that problem trying to manipulate the code, but I found that the centering button in the WYSIWYG editor works, but seems to require that you include at least a blank paragraph above the image in the selection when you center it. In the code that seems to make the image part of that paragraph. That's probably a bug, or a little nest of them. Also, you don't necessarily need the revision date on the bottom line, the wiki page has it automatically at the top right. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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I tried copy/paste a page from a Mediawiki page: Notice the top of the page links to the actual pdf that the member composed. More on that later. ?? The result wasn¡¯t great. I had to do a bit of reformatting and had to handle the photos individually (upload, place, size, etc). I wanted them centered but to no avail ¡ª whatever I tried they revert bank to slammed left margin. Not fatal, but not great.? /g/catalina30/wiki/Repairing-an-AquaLift-muffler-%28with-pictures%29Note That I also link to the pdf. Mediawiki handles media content (pics, pdf, whatever) SO MUCH better than IO. I had to load the pdf into the IO FILES section and link to it. Not ideal (I created a folder something like ¡±wiki content¡± to hold wiki files. I could have linked to the original pdf location, but you know how that goes with future dead links, etc.? My suggestion is, if you want a serious wiki site with bells and all that, find a place to host MediaWiki and create a permalink to it on an anchored IO wiki page. ?BUT Mediawiki is not WYSIWYG like IO (you¡¯ll need to get used to using wiki markup language). ? So there¡¯s always loads of trade offs!
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
Thanks for taking the time to respond,?Vijay. I think it was just a blip that members posted to Yahoo. Maybe returning from holiday. I think the moderating idea will prevent/alert members from posting there much longer.
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Barbara
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 at 13:49, vijaybhuchar via Groups.Io <vijaybhuchar= [email protected]> wrote:
If it was my group, I would reject every pending message with a standard reply saying that the group has moved and they should resubscribe and resend.
Also post one final message there with words to that effect.
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
Thanks so much, Ilene. When the time comes I now have a note of what to do. Much appreciated.
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Barbara
It is up to you whether you keep the Y group open or you close it.
First make sure you are signed in.
Go to your group.
To get rid of it got to Management - upper right corner?
Scroll down until you see Delete Group
Click on that and I am not sure if you will have to confirm it or not but that is how you delete your yahoo group.
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I keep my yahoo groups open only for reference if I need to find someone's email address using a Yahoo ID.
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
Hi Michael
I have made a note of your 'instructions' they will come in handy over the next weeks and months. Good idea to keep the 'old' site.
Many thanks,
Barbara
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> Many thanks for previous help with the move to Groups.io which I and members are happy with. However, I have noticed that our Yahoo group still exists and one or two members have unwittingly posted there. Is it time to close it down completely or will this just happen in due course without input from me? If it's up to me, then how do I go about it?
No need to ¡®close it down completely¡¯.
In the groups I moved I:
-updated the YahooGroups Group Description page (¡°About") to announce the move and URL of the new Groups.io
-put everyone on Moderation (including myself) to prevent new posts on YahooGroups
-turned off YahooGroups Notifications for everyone except myself
-sent out a YahooGroups Special Notice (re)announcing the move, the new URL, and the new posting address
-sent out a Groups.io Special Notice announcing the move, the new URL, and the new posting address
Occasionally someone tries to post to the old YahooGroup, when I get the notification:
- I 'reject their message and reply¡¯ through the YahooGroup reminding them of the move and new posting address
- check that they were moved to Groups.io
- sometimes follow up with a message direct to them
Keep the old YahooGroups - they are a ¡®backup¡¯ archive, in case you discover something missing in the move, e.g. YahooGroups has an Attachments folder in Files, Groups.io does not move Attachments from YahooGroups. YahooGroups Attachments must be downloaded and then uploaded to Groups.io Files one by one, which changes the ¡®ownership¡¯ of the attachment/file if not done by the sender of the attachment.
BTW, Groups.io does keep Attachments attached to Groups.io Messages, which requires posters to use a good Subject line to make it easy to locate, and/or Moderation to Edit, Save & Approval Messages to correct Subject lines.
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
Paul, thank you. I now have changed the welcome message and, indeed, made all messages to be moderated. Such a good idea. I didn't think of that,
Barbara
Hello Barbara,
We had the same situation with our relict Yahoo group after moving to GIO.
What I did was change the message in the masthead photo on the main page to say that we had moved to GIO and to come see us there.? But I left the YGroup in place as a signpost to our new GIO group.
Well at first that didn't stop a few of the die-hard members from trying to post on the old YGroup so I changed it so that all posts would have to be approved by a moderator AND I also posted a message to the group titled, 'This is the Final Post to CRL' in which I announced (yet again) that we had moved and provide a URL to the new GIO group.
Now in the very rare case that someone tries to post to the old YGroup I get an alert that there is a post needing approval.? Then I reject the post and include? a note giving directions to the member for where to join us on GIO.
We have been moved now since the end of June of this year and the posts to the old group have all stopped now.
I'd suggest just leaving your old YGroup in place as a signpost to your new GIO group but set the old one as inactive so that no one can post to it.
Cheers!
Paul M.
CRL Owner/Moderator
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Re: a list member having trouble unsubscribing
Good suggestion. Thanks. Of course, it takes the same amount of my time for me to unsubscribe them as it does to send them an email referring them to the unsubscribe address. Oh, well.
Jonathan
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On 9/3/2018 6:44 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote: On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 07:35 PM, Jonathan Sivier wrote:
I figured I would ask in case this comes up again sometime.
I have a number of people in my group who never log in, and are paranoid about doing so. Your best option for these people is to refer them to the unsub address on your home page.
Hope this helps,
Bruce
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