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Re: Inviting Members

 

On Jun 19, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:38 pm, Michael Pavan wrote:
2) Since Display Name can be altered by the Member, add an Owner and Moderators only viewable and changeable ¡°Real Name¡± or ¡°Member¡¯s List Name" in Admin: Members - if necessary as 'Member can view only¡¯ in their ¡°Profile¡± or is it ¡°Group Profile¡±
Any information you want to keep separately about a member can be kept in the Notes for them on their membership page.
OK, I didn¡¯t notice Notes before - that works, but it¡¯s a lot of awkward clicking about.

It would be much better if it was a field in the Member¡¯s membership page that was only viewable or shown to Moderators ¡®allowed to access the member list'.


Re: AOL e-mail and the Oath pledge and SPAM unsubscription

 

Jim Fisher wrote:
If Oath think that would enable them to ignore the requirements of GDPR they
are sadly mistaken. I have no doubt that any EU court would dismiss such a
pledge as legally null and void.

?The GDPR is such a deep rabbit-hole I'd rather not go down it on behalf of every third-party company we use.

Oath is only relevant here because some of us and our group members may be using Oath-brand email services (Yahoo Mail, AOL). Whatever follies may ensue from Oath's (lack of) understanding of the GDPR, hopefully the fallout for our groups would be limited to members wishing to change addresses.
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Re: AOL e-mail and the Oath pledge and SPAM unsubscription

 

If Oath think that would enable them to ignore the requirements of GDPR they
are sadly mistaken. I have no doubt that any EU court would dismiss such a
pledge as legally null and void.

On 18 Jun 2018 at 11:59, SP4149 wrote:

Oath has been requiring users to accept a new privacy agreement,
pledging to hold Oath blameless for any misuse of your personal
information stored by Oath. Oath would not let me access my AOL e-mail
until I accepted the new privacy agreement; holding them blameless in
the future. It has appeared several times as a pop-up. I ignored it
when it happened with lists on YahooGroups; however in order to continue
using my AOL mail account I HAD TO PLEDGE TO HOLD THEM BLAMELESS; hence
the OATH PLEDGE, as others have called it.

ken clark

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Re: Why does Log In change the site?

 

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 01:31 pm, Ullman Garrett wrote:
I have seen similar Behavior using Chrome browser on my smartphone. If I login on the smartphone and then "request desktop View", I have to login again.
Not sure this is applicable to the problem.
Anything that causes browser cookies to be lost will require you to log in again.

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Bruce?
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Re: Inviting Members

 

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:38 pm, Michael Pavan wrote:
2) Since Display Name can be altered by the Member, add an Owner and Moderators only viewable and changeable ¡°Real Name¡± or ¡°Member¡¯s List Name" in Admin: Members - if necessary as 'Member can view only¡¯ in their ¡°Profile¡± or is it ¡°Group Profile¡±
Any information you want to keep separately about a member can be kept in the Notes for them on their membership page.

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Re: Inviting Members

 

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:38 pm, Michael Pavan wrote:
The problem with the ¡°Invite¡± process is that it bypasses any Pending Member Message, which seems to be the only way to put the demand for ¡°First and Last Name¡± or other qualifying information into the joining process.

One can include a custom message in an ¡°Invite¡±, but the prospective member is instantly subscribed when they accept, without having to answer the question(s) that may be in such a ¡®custom message¡¯.
The logic behind this is as follows...

If someone asks to join your group, you know nothing about them, only that they want to join, and perhaps their email address. At that point you can use the "Pending Subscription" message to ask them questions, or whatever you think you need to validate them.

If you're sending an invitation, presumably you already have this information in hand. Otherwise, you wouldn't be inviting them.

That said, a "new subscriber" questionnaire is often-requested feature, and has been on the "to do" list for a long time. The proper place for such requests is in the beta group; there is an ongoing thread to this effect at ?. No one in groups.io management monitors this forum...we are just a bunch of group owners trying to help each other.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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Re: Why does Log In change the site?

 

I have seen similar Behavior using Chrome browser on my smartphone. If I login on the smartphone and then "request desktop View", I have to login again.
Not sure this is applicable to the problem.
UllmanG


On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 11:30 AM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Victoria,

Shal, I?ve seen you are online. I have a question:

?Dang, busted. ;-)
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?Same I am told by members who are subscribed only to one group. They say each time the go on the site of the group, log in, the site changes and they must select it again. Why the detour? ?

?I don't know.? It seems reasonable to me that the site should return you to the page you were on when you complete a log in.

There was a in beta not that long ago. The discussion in beta is a little different though, I think they were assuming that the member was at the site home page before logging in. I don't really care about that case.
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I think the "Email me a link to log in" mechanism returns you to the page where you were, as Bob said in that discussion. It seems to on my smart phone anyway. Seems to me the other log in mechanisms ought to as well.
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Re: Inviting Members

 

The problem with the ¡°Invite¡± process is that it bypasses any Pending Member Message, which seems to be the only way to put the demand for ¡°First and Last Name¡± or other qualifying information into the joining process.

One can include a custom message in an ¡°Invite¡±, but the prospective member is instantly subscribed when they accept, without having to answer the question(s) that may be in such a ¡®custom message¡¯.

I want to only have known people as members, so I instruct Moderators to only invite people whose First and Last Name they already know, as well as their email address. We can then enter it as their Display Name, but that is changeable.


Suggestions:
1) Allow a custom message that must be replied to as part of the joining process, whether by Invite, email request <[email protected]>, or the website¡¯s "+ Apply For Membership In This Group"

2) Since Display Name can be altered by the Member, add an Owner and Moderators only viewable and changeable ¡°Real Name¡± or ¡°Member¡¯s List Name" in Admin: Members - if necessary as 'Member can view only¡¯ in their ¡°Profile¡± or is it ¡°Group Profile¡±

You can include a custom message that is inserted in the middle of this, but that's all. See the next box on this screen; whatever you type there will be inserted at the point where it says "The following message was included by [your name]:". By default this area is populated with whatever Member Notice of type "Invite" is currently active, but you can modify it as you wish for each invitation.

This custom message is not only useful, but important to ensure that your invitation looks legitimate and is not just some spammer trying to get a potential subscriber to click on a link.


Re: Problem with the way Groups.io sends group messages

 

I use the following filter and it seems to work pretty well. Note that it is the first filter applied.?If some other filter is applied first and results in messages getting discarded you could be missing some group content.?

Hope this helps,
Bruce

groups.io
? From?contains "@groups.io"
? To?contains "@groups.io"
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? Keep?in Inbox
? Stop?(do not process additional filters)

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Re: Inviting Members

 

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 11:04 am, <unamerkle@...> wrote:
I am also having problems with folks getting subscribed.

1)? Can I actually send them a second invitation from the group ... if I already invited them?
Yes.

2) Also I wrote a "Second invitation" post thinking it would be saved as a different post from the original.? Uh, no.? Can someone either send me the "regular" invitation (which will generate correct subscriber links) or tell me where I can find that here, please?
Go to Admin->Invite and examine the "Invitation to be Sent" box. This is what the entire message will look like. Note that the subscription links are already there, created by groups.io. There is no reason to attempt to create them yourself.

You can include a custom message that is inserted in the middle of this, but that's all. See the next box on this screen; whatever you type there will be inserted at the point where it says "The following message was included by [your name]:". By default this area is populated with whatever Member Notice of type "Invite" is currently active, but you can modify it as you wish for each invitation.

This custom message is not only useful, but important to ensure that your invitation looks legitimate and is not just some spammer trying to get a potential subscriber to click on a link.

You can have as many Member Notices of type "Invite" as you want, but only one can be made active at a time.

I hope something in there helps.

Regards,
Bruce?
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Re: Files moved but are empty

 

Thank you, Bruce.? That was not intuitively obvious to me on the Transfer page, and if this was on the Help page, I must have missed it.? Have my second transfer request successfully submitted for both my groups, now, and crossing my fingers the Files come across this time.?

Patty Sliney



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Re: Problem with the way Groups.io sends group messages

 

I use the subject prefix (i.e. [GMF]) to filter messages based on subject in Thunderbird. This has worked out very well.

Jonathan

On 6/19/2018 12:52 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
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Jim,
I use Tbird for my email client. It does allow wildcards.? The yahoo
groups that
I run on Digest did not require changes to my filters ... as long as
the group
name was essentially the same.
?Thunderbird's filters are very flexible. You should have no trouble changing your filter to use the /Sender/ field instead of the /From/ field. In the field list click on /Customize/ and under /New message header/ type in /Sender/, then click /Add/ and /OK/. That will work with both Y!Groups and Groups.io groups, individual and digest (and summary).
If you're uncomfortable with that, use /To/ instead.
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?Shal?


Re: Inviting Members

 

I am also having problems with folks getting subscribed.

1)? Can I actually send them a second invitation from the group ... if I already invited them?

2) Also I wrote a "Second invitation" post thinking it would be saved as a different post from the original.? Uh, no.? Can someone either send me the "regular" invitation (which will generate correct subscriber links) or tell me where I can find that here, please?

THANKS!


Re: Problem with the way Groups.io sends group messages

 

?
Jim,

I use Tbird for my email client. It does allow wildcards.? The yahoo groups that
I run on Digest did not require changes to my filters ... as long as the group?
name was essentially the same.

?Thunderbird's filters are very flexible. You should have no trouble changing your filter to use the Sender field instead of the From field. In the field list click on Customize and under New message header type in Sender, then click Add and OK. That will work with both Y!Groups and Groups.io groups, individual and digest (and summary).

If you're uncomfortable with that, use To instead.
?
?Shal?


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Re: Import group from Mailman

 

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 10:38 am, Don wrote:
I guess I'm just a bit frustrated as I wanted to get this done months ago and based on other posts I was able to locate, it seemed an easy process once the mbox file got the appropriate?person.
With your message to [email protected]?, you should have received an automated response with an "inquiry number" or something like that (I don't recall what it's called). If you didn't get one, the message didn't get through...if you did get one, now is probably the time to reply to it.

Unfortunately, there is only one person who can help you with this.

Good luck,
Bruce?
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Re: Specific Messages from this group not included in Digests? And delays between Send and seeing the post.

 

To see which, if any, topics or hashtags you have muted or followed, go to the overview page while signed in, /, and use the menus on the left side.

Duane
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Re: Specific Messages from this group not included in Digests? And delays between Send and seeing the post.

 

Bruce,
? I don't ever use/don't even know how to use Mute.? I just tried to check to
see if the topic is muted ... and couldn't even discover how to check, set, or
unset that ...?

? OK, thanks for explaining that "everyone is moderated on GMF".

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Re: Import group from Mailman

 

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 12:03 pm, Bruce Bowman wrote:
If you can get the contents in Unix Mailbox (mbox) format then Mark should be able to upload them for you. That's the same format currently used for message archive export. You would have to subscribe your members separately.
I do have the archive contents in a mbox?file, but I still have not heard back from the email I sent to support asking how to get it to someone so it can be?imported/uploaded to the new group.

I am happy to import or subscribe the users once the archived messages are moved into the new group.? I just wanted to get an answer on how to send the mbox?file in so it could be imported.? ?I guess I'm just a bit frustrated as I wanted to get this done months ago and based on other posts I was able to locate, it seemed an easy process once the mbox file got the appropriate?person.

Don


Re: Profile Photo, and Display vs User Name?

 

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 09:19 am, Michael Pavan wrote:
Profile Photo:
I see a picture that I didn't select.
Did you add a photo when you joined groups.io?? By default, that one gets copied to any groups you join.? You can see which one, if any, is being used on each group by going to your account (upper right, click your name, select Account), then going to the Identity page where you'll find them all shown.? You can also edit them from that page.? If you change something for one group, it's not supposed to 'trickle down' any changes made to the site account for that item.? There's a Profile Reset button at the bottom of each group page, too.

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Re: Hi, I just started a group, and am ready to learn!

 

You need to go to your subscription for that group and check your Owner Email settings.? You can decide which messages should be sent to you.

Duane
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