I overlooked the poll in the message, but it is very easy to go to the webpage for this group and still vote.? I just did it.

/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/automatic_deletion_of_members/16655646

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Barb

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On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 05:27 pm, Marti Garner Gmail wrote:

Our group is photo heavy and when people reply to messages with photos in them we get multiples of the same photos.? Is there a way to select several messages and delete them?

You can delete entire topics and entire photo albums; but if you want to keep the first post and its image, to the best of my knowledge you have to delete the remainder one by one.?

Fortunately, most of my group members have the good sense to send photos as attachments instead of embedded images, but a configuration option to convert one to the other would be a very nice thing to have.

Bruce

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Jeremy, if you've deleted all the subgroups, isn't it just going back to the original name ([email protected]) logical?? That is what the name was before you added subgroup(s).? Not sure why that would be a problem?
Barb

I believe what Al's looking for is something to supplement the Public group directory search engine...sort of like the categories you see on the front page of Craigslist.

Bruce

-- Sent from my humble desktop computer

I've often asked myself this same question. As you mentioned, there are three settings in the group management area:

- Force HTML emails
- Normalize HTML emails
- Plain text only

Oddly enough, it is possible to check any combination of these three boxes and save without an error. If that is done, I don't know which setting[s] take precedence. It would take a minimum of seven different trials to find out.

Then in the subscriber settings, we have the following:

- Individual emails
- Full-featured digest
- Plain digest
- Daily Summary

And there's one final option not here but relevant...viewing the messages on the web with no email delivery at all...for a total of five. Some of these will contain hyperlinks, some not.?

Then, as you noted, we have the scenarios where the original message may or may not contain a lot of colors, links, etc...or just plain text. To test all these combinations would take 7 x 5 x 2 = 70 different trials, minimum. I don't know anybody who has done this.

Other settings in your group will change the footer content and what hyperlinks appear therein.?A further complication -- as if we needed one -- is that many email clients can be configured to strip out HTML, even if the original message contains it.

It might be nice to have a "sister group" to GMF where we can try out some of these features and address these questions once and for all (I suspect Mark already has one set up). But even if we did, the answer would no doubt be complicated and unlikely to truly satisfy to your group members.?

I hope this helps, but it probably doesn't.

Bruce

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No, you do not have to necessarily mark messages as spam to have them go into a spam folder.? It can be unintentional.? Some of my legitimate messages have gone into the spam folder, which I have not "marked" and didn't know they were in there until I checked it days later.? And the messages might accidentally get deleted if someone is doing a mass delete of their spam folder.? So unsubscribing isn't always right.

I wonder if this could be made a choice by the owner somehow.? It seems like it's pretty divided on how people would like it handled.

Barb

Hi again,
I added a request to this post on Beta. ?It would be useful if the word "message" be added to our group home page that talks about "archive". Now it says:?Archives are visible to anyone. Or??Archives are visible to subscribers only.


Frances

The "archives" is probably not what you think it is. It is simply a collection of group messages that have accumulated over the months/years.

As for managing them, outside of splitting/merging threads and other such daily maintenance, there isn't much you can do. You can download a backup in MBOX format (readable in any text editor). Open the Admin->Settings tab and click on the "download archives" button at top right.

Bruce

-- Sent from my humble desktop computer

A quick reply to say that "archives" can also mean "messages". It is confusing!?
The Help page says:
There may be other archives if the term is used loosely - photos, files, databases, wiki.

Frances

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 12:56 pm, Jim Betz wrote:

It -seems- to indicate that the spammers have 'discovered'
? ? ? groups.io and are attempting to gain access.

Yes, they have. That is the whole reason for and origin of the "spam controls" in the group settings. When none of those controls were required (moderation, moderate new members, or restricted group), Mark was being spammed big-time. The controls were designed to cut down on that and I think have succeeded for the most part.
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J

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 04:00 pm, Lena wrote:

The system with unsubsribing is designed in order to get rid of stupid members who do mark messages as spam instead of unsubscribing (don't presume that you well know every member). It's important to unsubscribe them instead of setting them to NoMail because some moderators will change that to SpecialNotice and send special notices, then the member will mark more messages as spam. Each marking harms groups.io reputation for spam filtering and causes more messages diverted to Spam or bounced.

Unsubscribing is right.

We will have to agree to disagree. I know "the system with unsubscribing is designed" and it's a kluge. My group members are in a high educational bracket for the most part, although you may consider them "stupid" by virtue of the fact that many are naive users of software. I have never had the same group member spam-unsubscribed more than once. And I continue to maintain that direct-adding them back in with an informational message is no less effective than sending them the kludgy resubscribe link that groups.io already sends.?
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J

Where can I find information on the archives and managing them?

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 11:45 am, J_Catlady wrote:

in my group if I've seen that it's happened, I just
direct-add the person back in, since we're a premium group with that
capability.

The system with unsubsribing is designed in order to get rid of stupid members who do mark messages as spam instead of unsubscribing (don't presume that you well know every member). It's important to unsubscribe them instead of setting them to NoMail because some moderators will change that to SpecialNotice and send special notices, then the member will mark more messages as spam. Each marking harms groups.io reputation for spam filtering and causes more messages diverted to Spam or bounced.

Unsubscribing is right.

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On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 12:53 pm, Robert Schechter wrote:

My groups are basically email based. We use the groups to push out information.? The groups would not be useful as a no mail group.

I don't think anyone has suggested that there should be any "no email" groups; I certainly haven't. The suggestion is that instead of being deleted from membership because of a spam marking individual members thus affected should be put on "no email" so that their membership is retained until they get things sorted out.

Not sure how you interpreted that as a recommendation that entire groups should be "no email".

Chris

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 12:56 pm, Jim Betz wrote:

? 1) Can some text (introduction) be Required for all proposed
? ? ? new members?? I'm talking about where groups.io does
? ? ? not even let them submit the request to join unless they
? ? ? have included that text.

Short answer:? No...not even a CAPTCHA.

Longer answer:? Search this group for "questionnaire" and you'll get lots of discussion on this. There is currently no new user questionnaire capability in the system, although it has been an oft-requested feature. Most people who feel they need that are kludging something into the Pending Subscription message...but you seem to be suggesting something even earlier in the subscription process.

? 2) Are there things that we - as Owners/Moderators - can do in
? ? ? the group settings ... other than setting all new members to
? ? ? moderated status?? Is it recommended that we set new
? ? ? members to permanent moderated status?

Each group must either be "restricted membership", "for moderator announcements only", "entirely moderated", or "new-user moderated." There is no provision to have someone join your group on their own volition and immediately start posting messages. If you have already set up a group of some kind, see Admin->Settings->Spam Control.?

? 3) I am concerned about this particular new member's request.
? ? ? It -seems- to indicate that the spammers have 'discovered'
? ? ? groups.io and are attempting to gain access.? Are others
? ? ? seeing any such activity?

Other than what I mentioned immediately above, it's pretty much your job as a group owner to keep spammers out of your group(s). From the discussions we've had here in GMF recently, the bigger problem most people are experiencing seems to be the exact opposite -- normal group discussions being flagged by overzealous spam filters. This could change as groups.io gets bigger and becomes more of a target.

? 4) Is it possible for a spammer/any one to request membership
? ? ? -without- having to process that request while being online?
? ? ? Can this be done with some kind of bot?? Can someone
? ? ? request membership in a group using only email?

It's entirely possible for a bot to request access to your group via a spoofed email address, but under normal circumstances they will not be allowed to post until their address is confirmed (they are sent a link in an email and someone has to click on it). Those with Premium groups can "direct-add" email addresses, which I believe bypasses these confirmation safeguards.

As in most things in life, one cannot have the power without also accepting the responsibility. If you're as concerned about spam control as you appear to be, I suggest your best choice would be to simply set up a moderated group.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

Milt -- If you don't want subscribers creating their own database tables, you could also choose "Subscribers can view, moderators can create tables" in your database Permissions.?Apparently, subscriber view access includes the ability to add rows to an existing table, something that is not at all intuitive (at least to me).

After 6-7 weeks here I'm still very much in learning mode.

Bruce

Is there a way to include an attachment in a calendar event?

Thanks,
Tiffany

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 12:53 pm, Robert Schechter wrote:

Chris Jones talks of The number of responses to the poll is disappointingly small. Well I never saw a poll. How is it promoted?

I suppose it isn't "promoted" as such, but it is part of the very first post in this thread.

Regards,

Chris