I like bold and I like the title you picked.

It makes sense; its a familiar phrase that you often see when you buy a new piece of hardware (If you actually look at the documentation).

Bob Bellizzi

I think I owe you a bit of apology. I had not thought this idea out
very much but felt it had to be verbalized since I haven't found any
real help for members who have not yet gone online to use groups.io.

Possibly a subgroup might be a good idea but i think you would also have
to have a division in the Wiki as Frances suggested it prepare for
future easy identification of possible member help information that we
might convince Mark to include in his zendesk stuff.

BTW I have told Mark of this.

Nothing for the poor newbie. I agree that a specific top level pair of
Member and Group Owner/Moderator would give all of us what a good
forking point.

I would be glad to provide both procedures as add in text here to
individual messages. That way anyone who wishes could try them out with
only simple modification.

I would be interested in participating but not being in charge.

I really think a detailed Help option is very much needed.

Hi Bob,

> Sticking the aides in an internal Wiki is
> less effective than making them
> available on the Help
> thingy.because that's the only place
> available to them until they actually get
> online.

Actually, GMF's wiki is publicly visible, so moderators can freely pass out links to relevant pages to people who haven't joined yet nor logged in.

Shal

Shal,

I think I owe you a bit of apology. ?I had not thought this idea out very much but felt it had to be verbalized since I haven't found any real help for members who have not yet gone online to use groups.io.

Possibly a subgroup might be a good idea but i think you would also have to have a division in the Wiki as Frances suggested it prepare for future easy identification of possible member help information that we might convince Mark to include in his zendesk stuff.

BTW I have told Mark of this.

Thanks for the idea Frances. ?But a cursory look at the TOC in the Wiki indicates all of the info is currently for current and new group owners/moderators.

Nothing for the poor newbie. ?I agree that a specific top level pair of Member and Group Owner/Moderator would give all of us what a good forking point.

I personally like member rather than participant which smells a bit offstandish and powerless. ?Member seems to imply more gravitas to me.

I would be glad to provide both procedures as add in text here to individual messages. ?That way anyone who wishes could try them out with only simple modification.

Bob

I am aware of your work here and at someplace we used to be; was it called "soontobeverzonmaybe"? I think it's too soon to consider starting a sub group. ?I just floated it here after a short conversation with Mark and actually writing two very short procedures for our members who either are newbies or members of our group at yahoo which is essentially the same thing.

Sticking the aides in an internal Wiki is less effective than making them available on the groups.io Help thingy.because that's the only place available to them until they actually get online. ?I guess it would be ok to use the Wiki here to propose, review, stage and offer them to Mark.

But we would first need consensus from some group managers that they are needed and at lease some would try them out on their groups.

Bob

Would anyone be interested in forming a special interest group that
could work on some of these items based on our experience? Possibly
generate some useful help items for Mark?

Hi

I am interested in theory, but will be busy for the next few weeks.?

I looked at the Help available from the Groups.io home page and it is more aimed at those wanting to start a group rather than participants. A modest proposal - start by looking at the content already there and separate it into something like GroupManager and Participant. It is possible that as a start, Mark would be willing to put in this breakdown.?

Frances

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While it's really great that we each have a Wiki for each of our groups, I've come to the conclusion that the newbie to groups.io really has little in the way of how to take advantage of one of the primary advantages I see to groups.io; the ability to 'get' to the group via browser without requiring a specific domain email address as Yahoo did. ?This is truly an open environment.

But it isn't clear to the transferee from Yahoo or the newbie with little group-type experience how to get started and the Help menu isn't much help even if you get online. ?Mark is handling every aspect of groups.io both as super admin and as a business owner and likely hasn't had free time to build some little help notes for things like getting on line the first time; replying to a message online, creating a new message online and even when not to use reply. ?If Mark had time I think help would have included things like this.

I'm also very sure that we, as owners and moderators, have also experienced the lack of time but have built these things, "lo, these many times" but for all of our duplication they are not available to the newbie and first time onliner.

Would anyone be interested in forming a special interest group that could work on some of these items based on our experience? ?Possibly generate some useful help items for Mark?

Bob Bellizzi, Fuchs Friends, online support group for The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

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Yes making those 0.0 things was the numbers level (did not understand
what that was - thought it might be a limit on how many "topics" you
could have)

I do remember seeing it in the past and just NOW found the crazy thing!

Why are snips suddenly fuzzy? The same snip pasted in an email message
was clear and sharp.

Thank you for your replies. I have joined the Beta group David (as you
suggested) but someone else had previously advised against it due to it
possibly being confusing if you are not of that ilk. I'm not and have
found the messages so far way beyond me, so I will switch to no email
from that group and ask any further basic questions here. Is that okay?

On 16 Jul 2016, at 21:48, David P. Dillard wrote:

Yahoo forces Group users for full participation in their Groups to have an Yahoo email account or Yahoo Group users will have problems. This is because email is a major Yahoo service and a way to get eyes to their advertising. To date, unless I have missed something, and I am certain I have not, Mark Fletcher is just running a Group service that is to date free and Groups.IO does not offer or outsource its email service. It simply does not have any email service and permits the use of any email server with lists on Groups.IO. You will also never find a Groups service in which the owner pays so much attention and communicates personally and on Beta and GroupManagers to solve the needs of his users. If you join and participate in Beta as I indicated to you privately earlier, you will learn a lot more about Groups.IO features, services and problemss as Beta is a very active group. I also think you would be hard pressed to find group owners who share as much information, ideas and wishes for service improvements as you will find here. If something is not working for you, you can speak up on one of these groups or to Mark in person and there is a good chance it will be changed, if it meets the needs of others as well or does not harm them and is within the realm of possibility. By the way did you find anything in the Google search link for Groups.IO that helped with instructions on how to use this service?

Everyone have a great weekend.

Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
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Did you perhaps make those paragraphs h4 style, and not have any h1, h2 or h3? I can reproduce your results that way, as long as I also set the number of levels up to 4.

?Yes making those 0.0 things was the numbers level (did not understand what that was - thought it might be a limit on how many "topics" you could have)

However I could absolutely not find style anywhere in the list of tools. ?So I just copied your text from the example and typed over it. ? I do remember seeing it in the past and just NOW found the crazy thing! ?(okay maybe I'm the crazy thing)

Okay now here is another question!

Why are snips suddenly fuzzy? The same snip pasted?in an email message was clear and sharp.?

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Okay I've figured it out. ?Just didn't understand what all the numbers were for when adding the Toc. ?Choose 1 and you get proper numbers, choose more and you get the 0.0.0.stuff -?

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I tried to follow your directions for putting a ToC in a wiki page.
Things didn't work so well: ...

Any ideas what I need to do?