That whole topic seems to have wandered off course; the request for an altered favicon is not unreasonable.? Since that has now been requested on the beta group, there's really no need to continue the discussion here, so no further messages will be approved.

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On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 10:15 PM, I wrote:

- How do I then import that subgroup's data into a new subrgroup in a different group?

There is no such function.?

Cal -- I should probably elaborate on this.

You might be able to get Mark to upload the message base for you in return for paying for another year of Premium ($220). Files, Photos and such would have to be uploaded manually using the usual web interface and their ownership reassigned as needed according to instructions previously provided for a manual Yahoo group transfer (ref: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/15860).

Please accept my apologies for my previous, abrupt response.?

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On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 03:31 AM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:

Thinking out loud here, but Mark is already saving the non-member's email address, but only for non-member messages which are accepted; I obviously don't know if he is saving the address itself in a separate field, but he is saving the full original message itself, headers and all, because if you More-Edit one of these you can ViewSource it, and there's the address in the From header, so it can be retrieved on demand easily. (and he may already be doing that)

Yes, the data in there, in plain-text form, but there is no account creation at that point, nor is the information being inserted into a retrievable database. I cannot claim to know all the details of implementation, and in any event, that's not my problem. :-)

There may be some merit to creating a groups.io account for the email address of any post that passes moderation -- even non-member's. I don't know what that means for system security. We've done nothing to confirm that the address provided actually exists, and has not been spoofed...or that there is a real person on the other end who can receive and respond to emails. Under normal circumstances, accounts in NC status are not allowed to post.

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Bruce,

>>> The notion that groups.io should maintain a database of every email address that has ever sent a message to a group -- spam or otherwise -- on the premise that some of them might someday subscribe does not strike me as very reasonable

Thinking out loud here, but Mark is already saving the non-member's email address, but only for non-member messages which are accepted; I obviously don't know if he is saving the address itself in a separate field, but he is saving the full original message itself, headers and all, because if you More-Edit one of these you can ViewSource it, and there's the address in the From header, so it can be retrieved on demand easily. (and he may already be doing that)

The group messages table has to have some kind of link to some SenderID or OwnerID record which is used when the message is displayed, and since the From area is not "active" for displaying non-member messages, that tells me that the code is actively aware which messages are as such and is doing this at display time.

So since all the data is already there, this may end up being easy;* one of the chores that run once a member is approved could be a query that finds any non-member records whose From matches the new member's email address, and then change their SenderID/whatnot field value to that new member's ID, which would then cause all those messages to be associated to the new member and display the From area properly now.

Of course this would create a paradox now; you could have messages whose posted date is earlier than the author's join date, albeit I'm not sure where it could create a problem.

Cheers,
Christos

* yeah I know, easy for me to say, I don't have to do the coding :)

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 10:13 PM, Cal wrote:

- Can I export just a subgroup (and not the main group)?

Yes...via the button at the top of that subgroup's Settings page.?

- How do I then import that subgroup's data into a new subrgroup in a different group?

There is no such function.?

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Two questions:
- Can I export just a subgroup (and not the main group)?
- How do I then import that subgroup's data into a new subrgroup in a different group?

Sorry, I should have added this link to Help:
/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/sending-and-receiving-group-owner-email-messages/sending-messages-from-the-owner-email-address?single=true

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On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 04:53 PM, Barry_M wrote:

is it possible to email multiple members (more than one) using the "main+owner@[groupname].groups.io" address?

That's covered pretty well in the Owners Manual, /helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/sending-and-receiving-group-owner-email-messages/sending-messages-from-the-owner-email-address

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On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 05:53 PM, Barry_M wrote:

As a group owner, is it possible to email multiple members (more than one) using the "main+owner@[groupname].groups.io" address?

We've emailed individual members many times from within the platform simply by choosing the "send message" option from either a given member's profile or from the bottom of a pending post not yet approved. In doing that, there is the drop down that gives an owner the option to choose either the main+owner sending address or the personal email address saved as part of the owner's profile. But the "to" field isn't editable. ?Is there a way to email 2 or 3 members using main+owner or is this something for beta?

You can go to Admin, Members and select the members you wish to email, Click on Actions and choose Send Message.
You can also restrict your possible options to just moderators.

I believe that there was another way if you have a lengthy list of members, but sorry, can't remember.

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As a group owner, is it possible to email multiple members (more than one) using the "main+owner@[groupname].groups.io" address?

We've emailed individual members many times from within the platform simply by choosing the "send message" option from either a given member's profile or from the bottom of a pending post not yet approved. In doing that, there is the drop down that gives an owner the option to choose either the main+owner sending address or the personal email address saved as part of the owner's profile. But the "to" field isn't editable. ?Is there a way to email 2 or 3 members using main+owner or is this something for beta?

Many thanks!
Barry

PS, Apologies, as always, if this question has already been answered somewhere here on GMF. I wasn't able to find it using a couple of different search terms.?

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 02:48 PM, Steve Chadsey wrote:

I don't think it would be that difficult, provided the sender and other
header information were stored in a database. You wouldn't be parsing
every message all the time. When a page is rendered that has a sender
(topic list, message thread, etc), a simple db lookup is done to see
if that sender has an account.

The notion that groups.io should maintain a database of every email address that has ever sent a message to a group -- spam or otherwise -- on the premise that some of them might someday subscribe does not strike me as very reasonable. But Mark [Fletcher] may see things differently, and only his opinion matters. You can make this suggestion by posting it to the beta group ().

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On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 06:27:59AM -0800, Antique Pattern Library - Sytske wrote:

Just a suggestion: since it's a rare occurrence maybe it'd be
possible to approach it from the other side. If there is a way to
attach a non-member message to a specific member, by the moderator,
that would work too. The boundary conditions would be that the
message is a non-member message and that the member actually joined
the group after the non-member message was sent. It'd be the groups
own responsibility to do this or not (I would not), and it wouldn't
take resources once the link was made.

Although not exactly common, I do have 10k messages in this state from
a yahoogroups import. The import was done with the sender information
preserved, and before the yahoo members subscribed to my group. Had
I known about this limitation I would have tried to get everyone
subscribed before starting the import.

Is there a place I can request this enhancement for groups.io?

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On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 08:25:24PM -0800, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 07:57 PM, Steve Chadsey wrote:

I would like ALL messages sent by a particular address to be treated as if
the user was a member when the message sent. Is there a setting somewhere
that I've missed?

Even then, I'm not clear on how groups.io is supposed to handle
posts from people who have never create a groups.io account, or who
eventually do but only after making a lot of non-member posts. Parsing
every post in every group to try to find a matching email address
so that old content can be hyperlinked to a newly created profile as
each account is created just doesn't seem very realistic.

I don't think it would be that difficult, provided the sender and other
header information were stored in a database. You wouldn't be parsing
every message all the time. When a page is rendered that has a sender
(topic list, message thread, etc), a simple db lookup is done to see
if that sender has an account. If so, make the sender a hyperlink to
their profile. Otherwise, render it plaintext.

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On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 05:37 PM, Art Kocsis wrote:

They show that the "problem" is unique to your use of Chrome

Sorry but that is not true. See my earlier post in this topic.

Chris

And to supplement? Duane's comments - go to your group home page and a the top right click on Help, then read all the documents there. Answers to 99.9% of our questions.?

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 05:45 PM, I wrote:

No; the only option is to email the sender and ask them to resend it.

Thinking about it a bit further... when you said "email" did you mean email or did you mean a message awaiting moderation in the web UI?

If you deleted an email notification then the message awaiting moderation will still be available via the web UI Pending tab.

So daft as it might sound it is relevant to ask did you mean email, and was it a message awaiting moderation?

If you meant rejected a message via email then see my earlier answer.

Chris

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 11:41 AM, Mimi Kessler wrote:

I mistakenly deleted an email. Is there a way to recover it?

In a word, no.? That's why there's a popup when you start to delete a message that says:
Are you sure you wish to delete this message from the message archives of [GROUPNAME]? This cannot be undone.

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On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 05:41 PM, Mimi Kessler wrote:

I mistakenly deleted an email. Is there a way to recover it?

No; the only option is to email the sender and ask them to resend it.

If you can't remember who it was the Activity log will tell you.

Chris