On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 02:20 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:

although I can change it to 10000 for example and the page renders fine, I haven't tried it actually using it with a larger member number group

I'd be interested in whether that works as well.? I know on the "Find or Create a Group" page that using 10000 as the parameter for the starting place gives blank results.

Duane
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On 01-Nov-20 1:51 PM, Samuel Murray wrote:

On 01/11/2020 01:58, Gesine wrote:

1) Why not post on the still-existing-as-email-thing-yahoo-group, inviting anyone interested to join the new groups.io group?

A lot of users are "sleeping" users, i.e. they don't mind being part of the group (and they don't make an effort to unsubscribe) but they may not be sufficiently motivated to take steps to join a new group by their own initiative.? This is what makes an invite so useful: it removes two or three steps from the subscription process, and sometimes that is all that is necessary to get people to cross over.
Samuel

I recently moved a notification-only group from Yahoo. I established it in 2005 with no restrictions on who could join, and it now has about 250 members. After setting up a new group here I sent invitations to all of them, and I now have 66 members.

No-one complained about receiving the invitation, they just didn't respond.

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Bruce (and Ronaldo),

Ronaldo -- By checking the box at upper left, you can select every member on that page. If you also use infinite scroll,?in principle?you should be able to select everyone in in the group in this manner and post a private message to each one using the +owner address.
I admit that I have not actually tested this. If you do, please report back on how it went.

I also don't know if/how infinite screwall would work in this scenario as I detest using it anywhere not just here, but what does work impeccably is a URL hack:

1. Go to the members admin page.
2. The URL will display as /g/.../members
3. Click on one of the sorting links, like DisplayName, to force the page to display the code parameter list in the URL.
4. The URL will now look like /g/.../members?p=fullname,members,,20,1,0,0
5. Notice the 20 in the parameter list, it will be there if you haven't touched your default account settings, otherwise it will be the value you have selected, mine is 100 for example.
6. Edit the URL, change that value to your group member count +1 at the minimum, or round up, and press Enter.
7. The whole member list is now presented at once, no need for pressing PageDown/End/mouseclicks to get that -OneOfTheWorstUIdesignIdeas- to get them all; and as long as you don't change from that Members setting (by selecting Mods, Bouncing, etc), you can do anything the Actions allow, including sending messages, and when you are back, the custom value you used remains, so it's very useful when you're doing things en masse.

And the unavoidable disclaimer: It works great for the up to the 5K members one of my groups has, and although I can change it to 10000 for example and the page renders fine, I haven't tried it actually using it with a larger member number group, so if anyone reading this has a very large group, it's a good time to test this and let us know.

I had started a wiki on using this hack to make member admin stuff easier, one of these days I need to finish it up...

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/15356

Cheers,
Christos

On 01/11/2020 01:58, Gesine wrote:

1) Why not post on the still-existing-as-email-thing-yahoo-group, inviting anyone interested to join the new groups.io group?

A lot of users are "sleeping" users, i.e. they don't mind being part of the group (and they don't make an effort to unsubscribe) but they may not be sufficiently motivated to take steps to join a new group by their own initiative. This is what makes an invite so useful: it removes two or three steps from the subscription process, and sometimes that is all that is necessary to get people to cross over.

Samuel

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 10:56 AM, dhyduk wrote:

Does groups.io support group member rank titles based on posting counts

Not directly.? If you need to know, you can go to any message by a person, then select All Messages By This Member from the More menu below it.? On the results page, you'll see the total at the upper right.? If you want to make a suggestion for this, you'll need to post it on the beta group.

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Hi groups.io Experts,
????? Does groups.io support group member rank titles based on posting counts, like I see on other blog sites?? If so where is the setup page for it?? Can't find mention of any such thing for groups.io with web searches nor searching this group's archive.? So I'm guessing it just not supported, but thought I'd ask just in case.

Thanks,
????? Denis

Frances:

However if you don't select Private, the email is displayed as coming from
your main email address. You can't send to the whole group from the owner
email address, at least this way. Wish it could. It looks like it could!

I had never noticed this problem. I have just run a test and the message sent to the group from the owner address actually displays my personal address.
Sorry, indeed.

Marina

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 07:59 AM, Gary Hauser wrote:

Will groups.io still migrate a group from yahoo for the Premium plan 1 yr price ($220)?? I recall there being a time limit on this.?

Unfortunately, since Dec 16 2019, there is no longer any online information to migrate.?The wiki page at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/15860?describes the few remaining options.

Regards,
Bruce

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Will groups.io still migrate a group from yahoo for the Premium plan 1 yr price ($220)?? I recall there being a time limit on this.? Thanks

Regards,
Gary Hauser

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1)? Why not post on the still-existing-as-email-thing-yahoo-group, inviting anyone interested to join the new groups.io group?

Message traffic on many, many yahoo groups significantly went down after yahoo started unevenly rolling out the neo junk, which nit different people/different groups at widely different times (some groups we knew, it hit like a year after other groups we knew!).? Many people left yahoo groups or just stopped participating.?
And with time, some folks are no longer interested in whatever the group topics/focus is.

So -- it seems to me, you'd be quite OK to ask people, want to join this new group?? here's the link --

2)? Seems to me, archived messages of the original yahoo group, which you are not the owner of, sounds like you're not a moderator either, is a different topic --
some people would probably NOT want their messages copied to a group that wasn't run by the original/current owners -- so that's something to figure out I think.? Others here probably have experience around this.

When groups.io was getting the 2 waves of deluges of transfers, I had been poking a number of yahoo group owners, c'mon, you need to transfer your group!? even if you only use that as a backup!? So sometimes you can convince a not-very-involved-anymore owner, to initiate a transfer, with the idea that that conserves the old group --

of course these days, transferring is conserving the membership list, the yahoo archives/files/etc. are gone.

If you have made copies of some of the archives, the only way I know to put them into group.io group, is to paste them into their own messages.? (Others are more familiar with groups.io in general!).

and of course, then it's different if OTHER people will be the people running that new group!

Teresa,

From your description, I would say groups prone to those issues should get
3rd party 'owners', people who have no connection to the goals of the group.
They just focus on making the features of the group available. Again this
sounds very much like the building owner. Under most conditions the owner
has little to do with the group. Final arbiter between moderators might be
the most an owner needs to do.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 09:32 PM, TeresaQ wrote:

I would prefer to make all members "owners".?

You might prefer it, but please don't. If you had a disagreement with another member, their being another owner would allow them to demote you, or remove you from being a member, or put you on the Banned list. Even making everyone (else) Moderators is not without serious risk if clashes are a possibility, depending on what specific permissions you gave them. Would you really want a disaffected member / moderator going and tinkering with Settings (for example) as an act of possibly petty spite?

Configuring things so that anarchy could break out seems to be asking for trouble. Much better IMHO to set things so that potential trouble makers have limited opportunities to make trouble in the first place, and then try to maintain as low a profile as you can.

Chris

Thanks Frances. That is step one in an ongoing "lesson", if you will, on the equality of members. I have seen the extreme mess a recovery group can have when the "power over others" mentality comes in, AND they have the power they wouldn't have in an in person meeting/group. It is one dysfunctional, lying mess after another, and is in the middle of such a mess now.? :(?

Not just there, I have seen it in the group I have become group "owner" since the move. Before the then group "owner" made the decisions for the group. I try to model abiding the will of the group whether I like it or not rather than play boss. The real issue as I see it is that too many members often have the authoritarian mentality also looking to someone to be the "boss".? And that is the reason modeling the Traditions spirit is so important.?

Hi Dano, and thank you.

I appreciate your perspective very much. It helps me to see other ways to present a solution.?

One online recovery group has had one ego problem after another and is in the middle of another one, hence my thinking this out. My conclusion is that the "owner", which normally in most discussion forums I know of is? referred to as "Administrator", is more like the building itself rather than the owner of the building, tho I do see your point.?

In that group most who step up to do "service" want to be in a power position or none at all. :(?

It seems to me that having 5 or 6 "owners", hopefully like-minded in the Traditions in a non "boss" type mentality, to counter balance each other and handle business that comes would be ideal. I would prefer to make all members "owners".?

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 02:44 PM, jamesl wrote:

I was actually sending the messages myself.

I have now got it to work, by setting the "Owner email" option to "All Emails" but I'd have thought it ought to work when restricted to "Members Only"

Before writing this off, I suggest double-checking the email address you sent the +owner message from, and whether it was actually subscribed to the group.

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I was actually sending the messages myself.

I have now got it to work, by setting the "Owner email" option to "All Emails" but I'd have thought it ought to work when restricted to "Members Only"

James

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 04:52 PM, jamesl wrote:

Is there something I haven’t understood?

Not obviously! At the same time you have not told us that it is messages from members that are not arriving? because (again obviously) your email setting will not allow non - member messages to get through. (Why don't you want them?)

Do you have any moderators with the same delivery setting who are receiving these messages?

Have you checked your ISP's spam box in case they are getting routed there for some reason?

Chris

Dano,

I love your response!?

Likewise with the group I'm owner with and a moderator of another.? I only think of myself as the IT go-to person to keep the lights on and things flowing.? Wish I could turn on the coffee/tea pot here literally!? Maybe ask Mark on the Beta for that upgrade. :-)

The internet needs tech savvy people to keep things going.? GroupsIO has made changes over the year since we arrived.? The group literally nominated me due to computer skills.? Yes, I'm now the janitor of an amazing group!? Love the fact people can share, improve and mentor others along.? A win-win for everyone.?
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BMaverick