Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
Ellen, When I move (if I manage this) the yahoo group to io., all the stuff
remains at yahoo right? Correct. No changes are made to your Yahoo Group. I end up with two groups. An original on Yahoo which is now defunct
because Yahoo is not fixing it, and its continuation on io? Correct again. Though if Yahoo (Verizon/Oath, rather) does fix it you'll have two active groups. So at some point you may want to change some settings in your Yahoo Group to prevent new content postings from members. For mine I set the Yahoo groups on moderation so that I can "Reject with reply" any messages posted there, and remind them about the new group posting address. Shal
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Re: Changing the wording of messages and pages
David, They are also only ever going to access the list via e-mail - they
will never go to the groups.io site, and they will never sign up as
groups.io members. Most of my group members are the same way, in my PTA group (which is an Announcement Group) and in my classmate groups (which are discussion groups). My classmates are all 60+, varying widely in experience with computers and email, and most have managed to stick with my Yahoo Groups until I transferred the groups here. Everyone seems to like the change, at least those few who've ventured onto group web site for a look-see. The PTA members are generally a lot younger, but they don't have to do anything but receive announcements and (hopefully) show up for events. So far no one has acted or commented on being confused by the links at the bottom of messages, or by anything else about Yahoo Groups. It is subtle, and I think much easier for them and for you than you're anticipating, but they are given a Groups.io account and profile the moment they accept your invitation (even by email reply). And if they accept by web they're logged in to their account at that moment, and stay logged in for 30 days (or they log out, or they clear their browser's cookies). But more importantly, if you're transferring these members from existing Yahoo Groups you don't need to invite them - and they don't have to accept anything. Instead they receive a Welcome message from Groups.io and are members of your group (with a Groups.io account) as part of the transfer process. The Welcome message does have an opt-out in it in case they don't want to be members. This is it. There is a second page if you open the PDF. Thanks! Ok, so it is mostly a clone of their Subscription page, which they'd find if they clicked that link (in the left column of your group's pages). Then you get the actual invitation message, which I thought was
customisable. Well, no. You can add a message in the middle of it (the
red bit), but you are still stuck with a lot of confusing stuff. I found it helps to put a ruling line at the top and bottom of your customizable section. That helps guide the eye and clarify what's boilerplate and what's personal message. But again, this applies to later newcomers, not to the members who transfer over. You have been invited by xxxxxxxxxxx@... to join the Groups.io
That's odd. In the invitations I've sent to my groups my Display Name (which is my real name) appears in both places, not my email address. If you haven't you probably want to set a Display Name for yourself, maybe even the club name instead of your real name. group [email protected].
Ah, I see you've got subgroups. My PTA group does, my classmate groups don't. Still, for the PTA group Members@[PTA name].groups.io seems to be clear enough. 1. They want to be invited by the club, not an e-mail address.
3. The e-mail address is displayed twice at the top - just
unnecessary. See above about your display name. 4. If they have questions, I would rather say to contact me at an
e-mail address they already know, rather than some strangely formatted
address they do not recognise.
6. I would rather the signature be the club name than groups.io, for
similar reasons to above. I wrote my custom section as a full message of its own, including a signature block at the bottom with my full name and email address. The paragraph just above that invites them to write to me if they have any questions. It seems to me that groups.io is oriented towards sophisticated users
who know the difference between e-mail and forums. In this respect it
is very powerful. But loading newbies with all this is going to cause
*me* trouble. Possibly, though that hasn't been my experience. Most of my classmate group members came over from my Yahoo Groups, so in a sense maybe they aren't "newbies" - they'd put up with Yahoo Groups footers and other distractions already. My PTA group members are mostly newbies - but I used Direct Add (a Premium group feature) to bring almost all of them into the PTA group. Fortunately the PTA group gains the vast majority of its new members during each school year's registration - so I've only had to pay for Premium one or two months each year. Shal
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Remove an empty SUBGROUP created by mistake?
Doesn't seem to be a removal function, and creating a first subgroup appears to have altered the root address, apparently changing the submission path. Advice?
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
One worrying question. When I move (if I manage this) the yahoo group to io., all the stuff remains at yahoo right? I end up with two groups. An original on Yahoo which is now defunct because Yahoo is not fixing it ,and its continuation on io?
Ellen
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:48 AM, Ellen Moody <ellen.moody@...> wrote: It does seem as if the patient is dying limb by limb or group by group.? Each time I go over to a Yahoo group of groups and another still open for moderators, or one moderators write on, I read of "another group down."
It's after midnight and too late to do anything now. I? did go look and am willing to try this even though I can't tell the people at this list I'm doing this. As far as I can read, the allows me to transfer the files, the pictures, and postings from Yahoo to this other place and it provides the same services. There's a lot of stuff on Wwtta so I'm guessing that is big. Who is running it? someone has to provide the space - and pay for it. Or it comes from google?
I am digitally challenged but can do things if given instructions. when I look at what is called the home page I see no instructions
but I do find them here:
I am now taking the first step. Let's see if Wwtta takes the transfer groups URL.
Ellen
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
It does seem as if the patient is dying limb by limb or group by group.? Each time I go over to a Yahoo group of groups and another still open for moderators, or one moderators write on, I read of "another group down."
It's after midnight and too late to do anything now. I? did go look and am willing to try this even though I can't tell the people at this list I'm doing this. As far as I can read, the allows me to transfer the files, the pictures, and postings from Yahoo to this other place and it provides the same services. There's a lot of stuff on Wwtta so I'm guessing that is big. Who is running it? someone has to provide the space - and pay for it. Or it comes from google?
I am digitally challenged but can do things if given instructions. when I look at what is called the home page I see no instructions
but I do find them here:
I am now taking the first step. Let's see if Wwtta takes the transfer groups URL.
Ellen
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 10:17 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote: What a catastrophe! ;)
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Re: Changing the wording of messages and pages
> For announcement groups, all of these are irrelevant except:
I think the only ones that are actually irrelevent are Reply To Sender, Reply To Group, and New Topic. The first two will create an email message which will bounce back from an Announcement Only group, the third would take a member to a page they can't access.
These people do not understand the digest concept and generally do not want it. They are also only ever going to access the list via e-mail - they will never go to the groups.io site, and they will never sign up as groups.io members.
So Mute This Topic, Change Your Subscription, Group Home, Contact Group Owner and Terms Of Service are also irrelevant. They will basically create confusion which will come back to me to explain and sort out any problems.
We come back to Unsubscribe being the only necessary option for my members. > Is it possible to have a link which just adds them to the group with
> All Messages instead of giving them all these options.
I haven't followed an Invite link lately, so I'm not sure what all is there (a screen shot would have been handy). I don't believe there are any group owner controls to change the content of the Invite landing page. That would be another thing that would have to be taken up as a suggestion in the beta group.
This is it. There is a second page if you open the PDF.
For people who are scared of e-mail, this is just too over-the-top, especially the repeated references to groups.io when they think they are signing up to a club e-mail list. Part of the problem we have with Yahoo now is that the invitation is so long and so full of jargon that they just give up and delete it. Then complain when they do not get any e-mails. :-(
Then you get the actual invitation message, which I thought was customisable. Well, no. You can add a message in the middle of it (the red bit), but you are still stuck with a lot of confusing stuff.
You have been invited by xxxxxxxxxxx@... to join the Groups.io group?[email protected].
The following message was included by xxxxxxxxxxx@...:
This is an invitation to join the yyyyyy Club's e-mail list.?The program, newsletters and other?announcements are sent via this list?to members.
To join, simply reply to this message. You do not have to change anything - just reply.
If you do not join, you will get no messages from the club.
If you have questions about this invitation, send them [email protected].
To accept the invitation, please reply to this email, or you may?accept the invitation?on the website.
If you are not interested, or if wwwwwwwwwwww@... is not your email address, please?ignore this email.
Cheers,
The Groups.io Team Let's just look at a few issues here for unsophisticated users:
1. They want to be invited by the club, not an e-mail address. 2. They have no idea what groups.io is. 3. The e-mail address is displayed twice at the top - just unnecessary. 4. If they have questions, I would rather say to contact me at an e-mail address they already know, rather than some strangely formatted address they do not recognise. (In these days of warning people constantly about phishing and scams, it is asking for trouble to use an unfamiliar address.) 5. Accept the invitation on the website - see above. 6. I would rather the signature be the club name than groups.io, for similar reasons to above.
It seems to me that groups.io is oriented towards sophisticated users who know the difference between e-mail and forums. In this respect it is very powerful. But loading newbies with all this is going to cause *me* trouble.
Cheers
David
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Re: Table of Contents and customizing the home page
#wiki
chicopaddleheads, There was an annotation originally on the #wiki home page which
stated that a new post could REPLACE the wiki home page. Do you mean where it says (or said) "Create a page with the title of Home to replace this page"? Note that's _page_ not _post_. To experiment this was done. So the table of contents which
originally appeared is gone. How can this be UNdone? Change the name of that page to something other than "Home". The index page that appears by default should return. What customizations are possible? Browse through GMF's Wiki for some examples. I replaced the Index page with a Home page that isn't an alphabetical list of the pages (that's available via the Pages button) and instead made a directory that's broken into sections. But all of that is manually written and maintained, not an automatically generated table of contents. On some of the pages (for example "Composing New Topics and Replies: tips and tricks") I've used the TOC feature to create an automatically maintained TOC for just that page. There is no feature (that I know of) which will generate a list of the pages in your wiki, other than the default Index page or the Pages button. What's the best way to INTEGRATE a Google Drive? (into any part of
Groups.io) I don't know about that. An easy thing is to have a link to it in the wiki, or the group description, or a sticky topic, or the group guidelines, wherever makes sense. But that's not really "integrated". Shal
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
What a catastrophe! ;)
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
Perhaps, but hopefully not too quickly. There could be hundreds of thousands of Y! groups looking for a new home all at once...
Drew
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On 11/22/17 20:35, J_Catlady wrote: On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 05:21 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
Apparently Mark's getting more than a few questions about it.
Maybe the patient is finally dying....and good riddance!
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J
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On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 05:21 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
Apparently Mark's getting more than a few questions about it.
Maybe the patient is finally dying....and good riddance! ? -- J
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Table of Contents and customizing the home page
#wiki
New moderator trying to figure things out.
There was an annotation originally on the #wiki home page which stated that a new post could REPLACE the wiki home page.
To experiment this was done. So the table of contents which originally appeared is gone.? How can this be UNdone?
What customizations are possible?
What's the best way to INTEGRATE a Google Drive?? (into any part of Groups.io)
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
J, I said: Apparently Mark's getting more than a few questions about it.
And Yahoo's Help community too. Shal
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
J, From the sound of this thread, things are going downhill fast over
at yahoo. Apparently Mark's getting more than a few questions about it. Shal
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
When I first saw this thread, I thought, what is this conversation doing here? I don't even want to have to THINK about yahoo groups any more, they're so bad. I even requested that the thread be deleted as OT. But now I see you are here BECAUSE of yahoo's failings.
Yahoo, to me, is so bad that I avoid it now at all costs. I've been running a groups.io group for a couple of years now, after having transferred from yahoo groups, and would never dream of going back. Yahoo, to me, is like the Dark Ages. I checked out your group and would be interested in joining, but not if it's still in yahoo. That's how bad yahoo is compared to groups.io! I avoid joining groups that are there!
Besides the infinitely better ease of use, and countless extra features (none of which you have to use if you don't want to), is the level of support already mentioned. I feel like I have a personal friend in Mark Fletcher, who runs it, because he is sooo responsive, perceptive, and dedicated (not to mention smart - he does things right).
You would have to write a book on how much better it is here. I shudder to even think about going into my old yahoo account any more.
Make the move! You'll get lots of help here. I would do it soon, too. From the sound of this thread, things are going downhill fast over at yahoo.
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
Let me tell you from one example, how different things are in the world of Groups.IO. One Saturday night I went to Groups.io and it did not exist. This was quite a while ago. I found Mark Fletchers email address and let him know about the problem. Within two yours I and group owners lists had an apology and the problem was fixed and Mark, as I understand it, was on his last day of vacation in Paris, France. Anyone know any stories like that from their encounters with services or businesses? I cannot think of a better discussion group service than Groups.IO and I have experience with quite a few of them.
Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Marlin47 wrote: Ellen, your group is not the only group experiencing this problem.
I have at least two groups that I know of that are having the same thing.
It started out Monday morning for me, the two groups that I see this happening on were still sending me
notices that there were messages to approve, as late as Monday morning, two days ago.
But, when I approved them, nothing went through the groups.
Now, as of yesterday morning, I am not receiving any notices of pending messages.
I attempted to send messages to the groups myself, again nothing.? No notices of pending messages and
nothing showing pending messages on the websites of the groups.
I attempted to post messages from the websites of the groups, again nothing.
I sent messages to the -owner addresses of both groups, again nothing.
The groups are normally quite active, so I am sure I have a lot of members who are seriously wondering
what has happened to all my moderators.
Marlin
On 11/22/2017 5:44 AM, Ellen Moody wrote:
I am wondering if anyone can help me and the people on my Women Writers through the Ages
listserv at Yahoo. We are now in the third day, more than 48 hours, of no messages coming into
or being sent from this listserv. I have tried all I can to? reach someone at Yahoo, but the
"help" material is not designed for me to reach anyone with power to help. None of the
suggestions made are pertinent as I am the listowner. I know to do all that is suggested:
refresh browser, clean cache.
Sincerely,
Ellen Moody
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
Ellen, I said: If you decide to transfer your group you should let your Yahoo Group
members know what you're about to do. Now I'm laughing at myself - I forgot that you got here because that's the thing you're unable to do in your Yahoo group. Unless you have an alternative way of getting in touch with those members. Shal
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All right. Thank you. I am not digitally expert but tonight after supper, all? work put away, I will try to look into it. I may come back with questions!?
I am glad the Yahoo group may not go away as it has thousands of postings, a few hundred pictures probably, files and so on.?I did not open it myself: I inherited it as I did two other yahoo listservs when the owner/moderators tired of them.
?I hope all have a good day tomorrow -- to?those who keep the US Thanksgiving. Ellen
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote: Ellen,
> Could you tell me what is oi forum and Groups.IO world?
As I mentioned, Groups.io is a service that competes with Yahoo Groups. Here's some more background information:
/static/about
On that page follow the link to the Groups.io announcement if you're interested in the history of it.
> Before proceeding I need more information as well as detailed
> instructions on how to.
The instructions available through the transfer link are pretty detailed. Let us know what questions you have after reading them:
/static/transfer
One thing I should have mentioned is that the "transfer" process makes no changes to your Yahoo Group. If you decide to transfer your group you should let your Yahoo Group members know what you're about to do. Otherwise the only thing they'll see is the "welcome" message from Groups.io, and that may confuse them if you haven't told them to expect it.
Shal
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
Ellen, Could you tell me what is oi forum and Groups.IO world? As I mentioned, Groups.io is a service that competes with Yahoo Groups. Here's some more background information: /static/aboutOn that page follow the link to the Groups.io announcement if you're interested in the history of it. Before proceeding I need more information as well as detailed
instructions on how to. The instructions available through the transfer link are pretty detailed. Let us know what questions you have after reading them: /static/transferOne thing I should have mentioned is that the "transfer" process makes no changes to your Yahoo Group. If you decide to transfer your group you should let your Yahoo Group members know what you're about to do. Otherwise the only thing they'll see is the "welcome" message from Groups.io, and that may confuse them if you haven't told them to expect it. Shal
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
Ellen, your group is not the only group experiencing this
problem.
I have at least two groups that I know of that are having the
same thing.
It started out Monday morning for me, the two groups that I see
this happening on were still sending me notices that there were
messages to approve, as late as Monday morning, two days ago.
But, when I approved them, nothing went through the groups.
Now, as of yesterday morning, I am not receiving any notices of
pending messages.
I attempted to send messages to the groups myself, again
nothing.? No notices of pending messages and nothing showing
pending messages on the websites of the groups.
I attempted to post messages from the websites of the groups,
again nothing.
I sent messages to the -owner addresses of both groups, again
nothing.
The groups are normally quite active, so I am sure I have a lot
of members who are seriously wondering what has happened to all my
moderators.
Marlin
On 11/22/2017 5:44 AM, Ellen Moody
wrote:
I am wondering if anyone can help me and the people on my
Women Writers through the Ages listserv at Yahoo. We are now
in the third day, more than 48 hours, of no messages coming
into or being sent from this listserv. I have tried all I can
to? reach someone at Yahoo, but the "help" material is not
designed for me to reach anyone with power to help. None of
the suggestions made are pertinent as I am the listowner. I
know to do all that is suggested: refresh browser, clean
cache.
Sincerely,
Ellen Moody
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
I have answered. Could you tell me what is oi forum and Groups.IO world? I know nothing about it -- and I thought this was a yahoo listserv, and now see it's a Group.io list. Before proceeding I need more information as well as detailed instructions on how to.
?
Ellen
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