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questions about transferring a yahoo group to groups.io

oliviaj_catlady
 

Hi Shai,

Nice to see you over on this end.:-)

I'm on the verge of transferring my yahoo group over here. I've already created the group and I've discovered the email to [email protected], etc. I have a couple of questions:

1. After an automatic transfer, does the old yahoo group stay in existence, with all its members? Or does it disappear, or does anything happen to it? I'd like to maintain the old group until everything is sorted out.

2. ?Does groups.io have a search function for searching through posts?

3. It seems like the automatic transfer automatically creates an account for everyone, but requires them to create a password "the first time they sign in." What if they don't sign in? My group has many members who access the group exclusively through email. My understanding is that they will automatically start receiving, and be able to send, email to the new (automatically transferred) groups.io group without having to sign in. Is that correct?

Thanks!

Olivia_J
Re: settings up a group

 

You can also have things checked on the Settings page to send you an email when there are memberships pending and a few other things. Each will have instructions on what you can do by email, if anything.

Duane
Re: settings up a group

 

Marvin,

Want to set up a couple of groups.
So how do I go about it.
The top banner of Groups.io pages has a link to "Find or Create a Group". Click that. Then in the left column will be a "Create A Group" link. Click that, fill in the fields, and click the green "Create Group" button at the bottom of the page.

And also need some trusted people, as co-owners, co-moderators.
Any one want to help me out.
Generally you should be asking people you know and trust personally, not strangers from a group such as this. But if you've corresponded with someone long enough by email you may feel comfortable with giving him/her that role.

Also what are the e-mail commands for setting up, like subscriptions, banning,
unbanning.
Group settings I think can only be made via the web pages, not by email commands.

Members can subscribe, unsubscribe, and change some options in their subscription by email command.

-- Shal
settings up a group

Marvin Hunkin
 

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Hi.

Want to set up a couple of groups.

So how do I go about it.

And also need some trusted people, as co-owners, co-moderators.

Any one want to help me out.

Also what are the e-mail commands for setting up, like subscriptions, banning, unbanning.

Any ideas.

Thanks.

Marvin.

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Re: Download Archives

 

Duane,

You mentioned in a post on Beta that it should be possible to import
the downloaded archives into Thunderbird. I haven't checked into it
much yet, but thought maybe you could offer a little insight to keep
me from reinventing the wheel if you've done it. Local folder? Each
group separate? Add-ons needed? Other tips?
I've not done it, that assertion was based on the use of standard .mbx format for the messages. I'm pretty sure that's the format Thunderbird itself uses - each mailbox is represented by two files: one without an extension which is in .mbx format, and one with the extension .msf which is an index of some kind. Why Thunderbird chose to put the messages themselves in a file with no extention, rather than the .mbx extension, is a mystery to me. It is inconvenient in Windows, but maybe it made sense to people from the *nix world.

Each group would be a separate .mbx file, and so would appear in Thunderbird as a separate folder.

What I'm not sure of is whether it would work better to simply drop those files in the "right" folder within an existing Thunderbird installation, or try and use the Import function. In my experience the Import function is wonky and makes way too many assumptions about what it is getting and where from. But then I haven't done a substantive import since about version 3 of Thunderbird...

-- Shal
Download Archives

 

Shal,

You mentioned in a post on Beta that it should be possible to import the downloaded archives into Thunderbird. I haven't checked into it much yet, but thought maybe you could offer a little insight to keep me from reinventing the wheel if you've done it. Local folder? Each group separate? Add-ons needed? Other tips?

Thanks,
Duane
creating grops query

Marvin Hunkin
 

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Hi.

If I create a group, and maybe can recommend other mods.

To help me out.

As did have some yahoo groups a few years ago, one, I was the only owner, and was overwhelmed.

Then got shut down, could not keep up.

So my question is:

Can you recommend any good, reliable people, who I could trust to be co-moderators, or co-owners.

And if I get owner or admin rights, does it just only apply to that group, or the entire groups.io site.

And what¡¯s happens, if some one decides to create a group, and accidentally picks a group, which has a current name.

What happens?

Does it give you an error, saying you cannot use that group name?

Just curious.

So.

Any ideas or suggestions.

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Re: Top update priorities?

 

Hi Duane,
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I'm not sure what updates my small group would like.? The members don't post any messages, even when I ask direct questions; or, invite them to share what's happening in their neck of the woods, what their artistic inspirations and aspirations are.?
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As far as the database goes, I think it would be handy for those who have used it in the past.? Many of my Yahoo groups made use of the Links section more than anything, except for the watercolor group (which has since moved to Facebook).? Before the Files section changed, I would say that the members of the watercolor group used that section almost as much, if not more, than the Links section.?
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Top update priorities?

 

I think we each have updates that we'd like to see implemented on this site. I'm not sure how Mark is setting priority for the suggestions he's received. I'd guess a cross between urgency and ease of implementation. I do check the Trello board regularly to see what's in the hopper. My current highest rated item would be a database function. What's yours?

There are definitely areas where I'd like to see tweaks, such as file size shown for Photos.

I'm very glad to see that he's not throwing a bunch of stuff out all at once. He makes a change, then tries to make sure that the bugs a squished before moving on to another item.

Duane
Re: Comment thread for Generic Guidelines #codesofconduct

 

Duane,

I was going to create a page showing our guidelines, but can't edit
the Wiki.
Oops. Fixed now (I hope). I thought I'd already changed that setting...

-- Shal
Re: Comment thread for Generic Guidelines #codesofconduct

 

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Those guidelines look reasonable.
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I would point out that the concept of being polite is one that generally falls apart in a written-only format, especially in a non-real-time environment.??
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One generally forgotten aspect of being a "Good Citizen" is that respect is a two-way street.? I would note that far too many people today cannot seem to comprehend the difference between disagreeing with their ideas and "attacking" them personally.
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Today's Groups are largely populated by people who were not even born yet when global public email networks first faced these same issues.? Global email networks significantly preceded the so-called World Wide Web.?? One of the earliest was FidoNet.? FidoNet faced the same issues that we wrestle with today and came up with two rules that did a better job than most of the more recent attempts:
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The FidoNet judicial philosophy can be summed up in two rules:

     1) Thou shalt not excessively annoy others.

     2) Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 02:04 AM
Subject: [GMF] Comment thread for Generic Guidelines #CodesOfConduct
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Do the Generic Guidelines go too far? Not go far enough?

This is a thread to discuss ways to improve the Generic Guidelines, one of the example Codes of Conduct in GMF's wiki. Or, feel free to provide your own example with its own discussion thread.

-- Shal
Re: Comment thread for Generic Guidelines #codesofconduct

 

I was going to create a page showing our guidelines, but can't edit the Wiki.

Duane
Comment thread for Generic Guidelines #codesofconduct

 

Do the Generic Guidelines go too far? Not go far enough?

This is a thread to discuss ways to improve the Generic Guidelines, one of the example Codes of Conduct in GMF's wiki. Or, feel free to provide your own example with its own discussion thread.

-- Shal
Re: removing accounts on groups.io

 

Marvin,

... how does some one remove their account from groups.io.
I know how to unsubscribe from all your groups. Click on the Groups.io logo at the top left of any page, then click Subscriptions. Or use this link:
/groups

Put a checkmark beside each group and then select "Unsubscribe" from the Actions menu. Note, if you are a sole owner of a group you may not be allowed to unsubscribe from it until you've either promoted another owner for the group or deleted the group.

But then to delete the account itself, no, I don't know either.

-- Shal
removing accounts on groups.io

Marvin Hunkin
 

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Hi.

Just out of curiosity a friend, asked me the other day, how does some one remove their account from groups.io.

Is there an easy process.

Looked on the site, and I do not know the answer.

So, if say for example, a friend, signed up to groups,io, then for one reason or another, did want to remove their account.

What¡¯s the steps they would have to do this.

Can this person do this as an individual.

Thanks.
Re: new features of groups.io

 

Xaun Loc,

I assumed that was exactly what he was talking about -- which makes me
wonder what he is doing HERE.
Probably just looking for a forum to discuss the issue. Or maybe he specifically wants to hear group managers' points of view.

Any service presumably does have an 'Abuse' department, which would
handle specific complaints about things like blatantly illegal content
or adding someone to a group without their permission, but those are
completely different in both kind and scope from what it appears Marvin
was proposing.
Right.

I agree, especially your final sentence, which is why I can't imagine
any way that anyone who belongs HERE could have made that suggestion.
The question of whether there's a better mechanism for members, would be members, or former members to communicate with the group management, and perhaps resolve disputes, is a fair one. That I haven't thought of a better mechanism than the +owner address doesn't mean that someone else might have an inspiration. Or that I might not later.

-- Shal
Re: new features of groups.io

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley

Xaun Loc,

There is an "independent umpire of abuse complaints" -- the group
owner!
I think Marvin is looking for a mediator for disputes between a member and the group owner.
I assumed that was exactly what he was talking about -- which makes me wonder what he is doing HERE.

That wouldn't go over very well with group owners, I imagine,
And the Understatement Of The Year Award goes to....
Shal Farley!
[Applause, applause]

nor do I think any service such as Groups.io wants to be in the
position of mediating such disputes.
Certainly not if they expect to HAVE any groups.

To the greatest extent possible, the service needs to stay
out of the content - the cost of having staff to look at and resolve disputes would likely be ruinous.
Even if the personnel/time cost were acceptable, the impact on the acceptability of the service would be a disaster.

Any service presumably does have an 'Abuse' department, which would handle specific complaints about things like blatantly illegal content or adding someone to a group without their permission, but those are completely different in both kind and scope from what it appears Marvin was proposing.

So that part of Marvin's request I think will go nowhere.

The other part, about having a feature to resolve disputes, would
seem to be handled by the +owner email address. The member
(or would-be member) can contact the list managers there to
plead their case. I'm not sure what more could be offered in
terms of a feature.
I agree, especially your final sentence, which is why I can't imagine any way that anyone who belongs HERE could have made that suggestion.


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new features

Marvin Hunkin
 

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Hi.

Yes, looking for a way to resolve disputes with the moderators and the owners.

Not communicating wit me.

So yes, looking for a independent umpire to manage disputes.
Re: new features of groups.io

 

Xaun Loc,

There is an "independent umpire of abuse complaints" -- the group
owner!
I think Marvin is looking for a mediator for disputes between a member and the group owner.

That wouldn't go over very well with group owners, I imagine, nor do I think any service such as Groups.io wants to be in the position of mediating such disputes. To the greatest extent possible, the service needs to stay out of the content - the cost of having staff to look at and resolve disputes would likely be ruinous.

So that part of Marvin's request I think will go nowhere.

The other part, about having a feature to resolve disputes, would seem to be handled by the +owner email address. The member (or would-be member) can contact the list managers there to plead their case. I'm not sure what more could be offered in terms of a feature.

-- Shal
Re: new features of groups.io

 

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There is an "independent umpire of abuse complaints" -- the group owner!?
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I shouldn't have to explain to anyone who belongs here that everyone in a group is entitled to an opinion - but the ONLY opinion that counts is that of the group owner.
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Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 04:01 AM
Subject: [GMF] new features of groups.io
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Hi.

There should be a feature where members, moderators and owners of groups,can resolve disputes.

And also a place where? is an independent umpire for abuse complaints.

Thanks

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