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Needing some help understanding . . .

We do understand that there are currently certain problems on both ends (i.e., GIO and Y!G). Those problems may cause delays in either sending an invite from Y!G or receiving the acceptance email from the GIO Transfer 'member'.

Our situation is that it took quite a number of tries (like 9 times) to send an invite from our YGroup before our YG finally confirmed that the Invite was successfully sent (to transfer @ groups.io).

Now we're wondering how long we ought to wait for an acceptance email to show up (without one arriving) before sending out another Invite.

Our intent was to make the transfer email a Moderator of our YG and then wait a few days before upgrading our new GIO group to Premium while we are finishing deciding on the settings for the new GIO group. Does this last bit sound doable?

Comments . . . Suggestions . . .

TIA

Paul M
Moderator/Owner
Madrono Moms Group
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Lynne,

? I have transferred 19 lists since January 2018, all of them I set the max image size to 1024 x 1024 pixels.? This provides a full height image on my 32" monitors.

The last list I transferred went from 3 GB photo storage on YG to 500MB? on groups.io, 75 -80% reduced storage has been typical; you should be able to store about 10,000 images

on a free list if you select the same max image size for photos, files, messages, etc...

Thanks! Updated the wiki.

The wiki is a group effort and this section can be edited by any member of GMF.

Frances
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Frances,

On Nov 1, 2019, at 2:17 PM, Frances <frances@...> wrote:

I tested this - it works for restricted groups. It doesn't work for "direct adds" or invites.

You have to create a Pending Subscription notice. It is partially automated - you do have to reply to an email - but the notice is sent out automatically if the notice is active. Then you have to decide and accept or not. That's manual!

I added some screenshots to the wiki page including one that shows what happens if the person tries to jump the gun even after they have started the process.
I hope it helps. I still have a few more screenshots but I thought there was enough!
See /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Screening-New-Members-Using-the-Pending-Subscription-Notice

Your WIKI says:
? After the group owner / moderator replies to the [Subscription Approval Needed] message, the Pending Subscription notice is sent to the potential member.

My experience is that the "Subscription Approval Needed" and "Pending Subscription Notice" get sent at the same time.
Whether an Owner / Moderator replies to a "Subscription Approval Needed" message has no effect on a "Pending Subscription Notice" message.

If an Owner / Moderator wishes to prevent another Owner / Moderator from approving the Subscription by email, they must "Claim" that Subscription request.
This can be done by clicking on "View Pending Member" in the "Subscription Approval Needed" message
Then click on "Claim Sub" at the bottom of that Pending Member's webpage (in your groups Admin > Members > Pending Approval webpage)
Now only that Owner / Moderator who 'Claimed the Sub' can approve by email, all other Owners / Moderators (with appropriate permissions) can only do so at your groups Admin > Members > Pending Approval webpage where it says "Claimed by your name" in a blue badge next the Pending Member's email address.


Here's how I describe how to do this workaround
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/20168

Thanks everyone for the detailed explanations about the nuances of the Pending Subscription notice. This has been very helpful and I now understand what my new members will see.?

I'm going to keep my Pending Subscription notice active because it is a real time-saver for me. I'll help any new member that is confused by the two notifications.

Jesse

Frances,
Yes, that is correct interpretation of my issue.

Apparently the new group has to be "approved" before it is permitted to have subgroups.
At least that is the current thinking. Will post verification when/if it is finally resolved.

Regards,
Steve

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On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 02:49 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

when we click the post and then click approve, the approve button greys out for a second then comes back and the posts are sitting in pending still.

That definitely should not happen. I've been able to approve, reject, or edit messages claimed by another mod in the past. I'm not sure whether what you're seeing is some kind of glitch, or a new bug. Try another browser, or have another mod try to approve the message.

This behavior, if accurately described, also makes me wonder if the group setting for "allow posts by non-members" was changed to disallow it while these messages were still in Pending. If so, you might be able to get them back out by changing the setting back just long enough to process them.

Just a thought,
Bruce

So groups.io allows you to add additional email aliases to your account allowing any of them to post.
Yahoo did this as well, but allowed you to associate different aliases for delivery from different groups.
Apparently groups.io does not.
Where do I put feature requests for this (granted Yahoo's collapse probably puts that into late 2020 or 2021).
Note that using email filters does not work when you want to direct emails to different actual email accounts, e.g. to work, to home private, to gmail.

In the meantime, using multiple accounts, one per destination mailbox, subscribed as necessary, perhaps with one account for Admin of all groups, with all but moderator messages turned off for that account, is probably the best solution.? Makes for lots more groups.io accounts however, so maybe implementing the group.sendto.alias functionality is more desirable for the groups.io maintainers.

Regards,
Steven Deller

When someone applies for membership through the group home page, they receive both the automatic confirmation and the Pendiing subscription notice. The receipt of those two messages occurs without the member or the moderator taking any action or responding to any message.

I thought that the Pending Subscription notice is not sent until after the user confirms their email address. But that doesn't match what I'm seeing.

For the purpose of these tests, I'm being both the prospective member and the moderator so that I can control the test.

You get an acceptance to Groups.io, but not to the specific group.

I agree it is confusing. I tested it to see if I could get in before I had approved my test email account in my group. I got that error message.
The new email address could not access the group. And I used the "send me a link to login" link since I hadn't done anything with that address before.

If you didn't approve the "person" i.e. the new email address, as a member, try to have them join again. I did it using the subscribe email address from the group homepage.
Since the "person" has an email address known to Groups.io, you probably won't get the intermediary email about joining Groups.io

But bottom line, they can't start posting or looking at your message archive until after you have approved them.

Frances


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Or keep both addresses on the list, make both owners and set one to
No Email. That way you have a backup, alternate way to access the list,
just in case something happens to the other address. Also a good idea
to have at least one other person who is a co-owner.

Jonathan

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 01:27 PM, Jan English-Lueck wrote:

we have 20 years of files they want to keep.

Files are relatively easy, download from YG, upload to GIO.? They'd all belong to you, but they'd be there.

Duane
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On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 01:39 PM, Lawrence wrote:

I would like to split the different group topics to at least 2 different email addresses

On Groups.io an email address is an account.? You'd need to join some groups using another email address, creating another account.? If you own the groups, you can change that account to owner/moderator and remove the original if you like.

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Jan,

Can't help with a contact for Yahoo, but I would strongly recommend that if nothing else you archive your group and content using Personal Groupware Offline (personalgroupware.com). It's the only tool I've found that seems to reliably grab Y! content.?That will give you at least a local copy of your 20-years' worth of content. In the worst case - not being able to 'unlock' the Y! group, you would then have the option of re-posting/re-uploading the content to your groups.io; not trivial, perhaps, but so much better than nothing.

I've used the tool to archive a Y! group with around 1,600 members and 81,000 messages that I'm a 'normal' (i.e. not Mod or Owner) member of in case of issues around our transfer. It has a 28-day fully functional free trial period, but a license is cheap anyway.

Derek

Disclaimer: I have no connection with Personal Groupware other than as a satisfied and slightly relieved customer. Your Mileage May Vary.

Why not just use a filter on your email program to direct the
messages from different groups into different folders. (i.e. a message
from this group will have the text string "[GMF]" in the subject, so I
have a filter that says if that string is present in the subject of a
message put it in a folder called "Groups.io Moderation". I have a few
other types of messages placed in that folder as well, all having to do
with moderating and running my Groups.io groups.)

Your email address is your account at Groups.io, so if you change
the email address used by your account it will change the delivery
address for all of the groups you are subscribed to, no matter which one
you thought you were changing it for. To do what I think you are
talking about you would need to join each list with a different address
and thus have 20 different accounts to keep track of. Much easier to
use just the one address and then have your mail program sort the
messages based on which group they are coming from.

Jonathan