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Re: No attachment/photo icon when composing on web

 

Helen,

I am assuming you saw the photo settings in Settings. You need to scroll fairly far down!

You said you see the image icon in the toolbar. Is it greyed out? Can't you click on it to open it?
In Groups.io, the image goes in the footer of the email or post. Not in the body. At least that is my experience.?

Frances
PS I couldn't open your image.
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No attachment/photo icon when composing on web

 

Hi all - hope you can help me with this frustration.
When I compose messages on the website there is no icon for attachments or photos - see image.
I do see the paperclip and picture icons in the menu when I compose here. It is not that I am simply missing them.
I assume it is a setting, but I've tried fiddling with every setting I can think of to no avail.?

Can anyone help?
Thanks so much!
Helen


Re: What Does Bouncing Member Tell their Email Provider? #bouncedemails

 

Thanks Shal. I will ask them to contact Charter (or maybe I can on their behalf). They're in digest mode and roughly 40% of the digests bounce.

tommy0421


Re: What Does Bouncing Member Tell their Email Provider? #bouncedemails

 

tommy0421,

I appreciate the responses but I think I will still ask them to
contact their provider. And also suggest they maybe open a free Gmail
account, too!
I wonder if perhaps the text of the error is misleading, and what is really happening is that charter is restricting the amount of traffic they allow to arrive from Groups.io's IP address.

Rate limiting would still be a problem only Charter can correct, but it may help to ask Charter if that's what's happening.

Shal


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Re: Customize subscription #subscription

 

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 03:17 PM, <Kate@...> wrote:
I'd like to customize the subscription process to have the subscribers explicitly agree to a statement, and to collect some contact info.

How do I do this?
Perhaps the best way is as follows:

1 - Tick the Restricted checkbox in the Spam Control section of your group settings and save your changes.
2 - Create a member notice of type Pending Subscription containing whatever boilerplate disclaimers you need and asking for the things you want. See?/static/help#membernotices?for more information on Member Notices.

Any reply that the pending subscriber sends back will appear in the "+owner messages" section of his member record. Note, however, that this will work only for those who ask to join your group on their own initiative. If you Invite someone to join, that member will be let into the group as soon as he accepts the invitation, and the Pending Subscription notice will never be sent. Groups.io assumes that you've already vetted that person in some other fashion -- otherwise you wouldn't have invited him.?

There is no questionnaire functionality within groups.io as there was within Yahoo Groups.

Hope this helps,
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Re: Customize subscription #subscription

 

Kate,

I'd like to customize the subscription process to have the subscribers
explicitly agree to a statement, and to collect some contact info.
The only mechanism available to help you with this is the Pending Subscription notice. You can add one of these to your group by way of the Member Notices tab on your group's Settings page. See also:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Screening-New-Members-Using-the-Pending-Subscription-Notice
/static/help#membernotices

A person who applies to join your group (assuming your group has the "Restricted Membership" box checked, under Spam Control) will be sent your notice, and if they reply to it their reply will go to your group's owners and moderators (those who select "All Emails" in the Owner Emails section of their Subscription page).

Your owners/moderators may then review the person's reply before deciding whether to approve their membership.

Shal


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Customize subscription #subscription

 

I'd like to customize the subscription process to have the subscribers explicitly agree to a statement, and to collect some contact info.

How do I do this?


Re: Replying to messages on Web page

Brian Vogel
 

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 01:13 PM, P H LLOYD wrote:

I am a member of quite a few groups both on groups.io and yahoo and often I have seen a letter that might have been interesting if I had had the slightest idea what the guy was talking about.

I accept that if I kept my mail sorted by thread, this wouldn't apply maybe, but I don't.? I like it sorted by date-received then all new messages appear at the top and are easy to scan.

As to your first point, that's precisely the reason for my observation about the need to judiciously quote for "point by point" replies when there are just too many points that are not being responded to for any typical reader to retain the information about what is.? There are times when you can reply without any quotation and others where that's just rude for the reader.? I try to avoid making anyone struggle as far as having to know what I'm replying to.

As to the second, well, choices have consequences.? I have never understood not using threaded/conversation view since its introduction.? And, of course, that's my opinion.? I always have my threads sorted by date with the most recent first and on the odd occasion where I actually need to go further back to check something that makes doing so a breeze.
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Re: What Does Bouncing Member Tell their Email Provider? #bouncedemails

 

Thanks Bruce but I think I had already read the messages you linked when I did an archive search. It just seems strange that I can email the member immediately before and after two bounce probes bounce, yet my email? goes through. And that so far as they know, other emails from other senders do not bounce whereas their Groups.io digests regularly bounce. They bounce more often then they go through. They're in digest mode, would the size of the email be a factor?

I appreciate the responses but I think I will still ask them to contact their provider. And also suggest they maybe open a free Gmail account, too!

tommy0421


Re: Replying to messages on Web page

 
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If I may I would disagree with you, Brian.? Whilst it is unnecessary for the whole of the thread to be copied on every message, it is frequently very helpful if at least the letter specifically being responded to is quoted.? I am a member of quite a few groups both on groups.io and yahoo and often I have seen a letter that might have been interesting if I had had the slightest idea what the guy was talking about.

I accept that if I kept my mail sorted by thread, this wouldn't apply maybe, but I don't.? I like it sorted by date-received then all new messages appear at the top and are easy to scan.

My opinion only.

Peter

On 01/06/2019 14:00, Brian Vogel wrote:

I have considered it a blessing that the web interface does not automatically quote material.? One of the things that drives me almost insane on Groups.io, and it's a result of the service being a hybrid, is the difficulty in searching the archives for original source material, which gets quoted again and again and again because many e-mail clients automatically quote.

In the vast majority of cases no quotation at all is needed if participants have been actively following a topic from its inception.? There are times when selective quoting is necessary when "point by point" responses are being made, and particularly if they're being made to several different messages at once.? But folks should be able to manage that easily whether they're participating via e-mail or the web interface.

I wish that quotation required effort in all cases, so that people would think about whether or not they need it at all.
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Re: Difficulty creating a subgroup

 

strange, after I created the new group, about 30 mins later I received an email that the new group was created

once I received this email, then I was able to create subgroups

but during the 30 mins, I was not able to create the subgroup



On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:39 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
If this is the first subgroup that you've created, it may take some time for the changes needed to propagate through the system and/or internet.? Check your activity log to see what information, if any, is there concerning this.

Duane
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Re: Replying to messages on Web page

Wanda Hall
 

I do hear what you are saying but often there is a long discussion and someone may be replying to a specific part of that discussion and with a ?few groups we have going and lots of mail from them it¡¯s impossible to work out if they are replying to me or someone else or even to recall the whole case. Too many groups to have every tab open and defeats the object of using a mail client where all my mail comes to one place ..

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each to their own though.? ;) ?

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 01 June 2019 15:00
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Replying to messages on Web page

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I have considered it a blessing that the web interface does not automatically quote material.? One of the things that drives me almost insane on Groups.io, and it's a result of the service being a hybrid, is the difficulty in searching the archives for original source material, which gets quoted again and again and again because many e-mail clients automatically quote.

In the vast majority of cases no quotation at all is needed if participants have been actively following a topic from its inception.? There are times when selective quoting is necessary when "point by point" responses are being made, and particularly if they're being made to several different messages at once.? But folks should be able to manage that easily whether they're participating via e-mail or the web interface.

I wish that quotation required effort in all cases, so that people would think about whether or not they need it at all.
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Re: Replying to messages on Web page

Wanda Hall
 

Thanks Bruce, I¡¯ll just have to tell people who are replying via the site, instead of via email notifications, to highlight the text of the message they are replying to before starting their reply.


I understand the bloat problem but we practice snipping if needed, well we do on Yahoo but, we often need a full history in a message for people that can¡¯t follow completely and also to report elsewhere too and we can get a lot of replies on some subjects and the support queries we deal with.

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Oh well lets hope people remember to quote what they are replying to lol

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Many thanks for replying

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Wanda

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: 01 June 2019 14:28
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Replying to messages on Web page

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On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 07:01 AM, Wanda Hall wrote:

So bottom line, after all that waffle lol, is how do I make sure if anyone is replying on the web page the previous message they are replying to is also included on the page and also in mail notifications, without them having to copy it and use block quote so all users, be it mail notification only or web only can follow newer replies and know what bit of the thread the message refers to?

Wanda -- There is no group setting that will allow you as an Owner to enforce your own quoting rules.

As you noted, (unlike Yahoo) Groups.io does not automatically quote the previous message thread upon clicking the Reply button. This behavior in Yahoo was felt to promote over-quoting and message bloat, and it was better to leave it up to the person posting the reply to decide how much quoting is necessary to provide context.

Note that if you highlight some text with your mouse before hitting the Reply button, that text will be carried over as a quote in the message composition window (that's how I did the quote above). See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-composition-tips-and-tricks?for some other ideas that might make quoting online easier for you.?

Hope this helps,
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Re: What Does Bouncing Member Tell their Email Provider? #bouncedemails

 

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 09:49 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:
The oddity is, with the Chartertn.net member, yesterday morning I requested two bounce probes, ten minutes apart. Both bounced.
It's a problem on charter/spectrum/rr that comes and goes.? See:
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/14623
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/29605471
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/31451227
and /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Dealing-with-Bouncing

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Re: What Does Bouncing Member Tell their Email Provider? #bouncedemails

 

The oddity is, with the Chartertn.net member, yesterday morning I requested two bounce probes, ten minutes apart. Both bounced. In between I sent them an email from my Gmail account advising them I was requesting the bounce probes, that the first had been sent (and bounced) and I was about to request another (which also bounced). My gmail email in between went through. None of my Gmail emails to them have ever bounced. In fact, so far as they know, none of the people who email them regularly ever report bouncing.

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Re: Replying to messages on Web page

Brian Vogel
 

I have considered it a blessing that the web interface does not automatically quote material.? One of the things that drives me almost insane on Groups.io, and it's a result of the service being a hybrid, is the difficulty in searching the archives for original source material, which gets quoted again and again and again because many e-mail clients automatically quote.

In the vast majority of cases no quotation at all is needed if participants have been actively following a topic from its inception.? There are times when selective quoting is necessary when "point by point" responses are being made, and particularly if they're being made to several different messages at once.? But folks should be able to manage that easily whether they're participating via e-mail or the web interface.

I wish that quotation required effort in all cases, so that people would think about whether or not they need it at all.
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Re: What Does Bouncing Member Tell their Email Provider? #bouncedemails

Brian Vogel
 

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 09:52 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I suggest that you tell him to get a new email account with a provider whose mail servers are up to the task. There are plenty of options out there and many of them don't cost anything.
Also, if one chooses something like Gmail (or any of the similar services from "the big players," e.g., Outlook.com, etc.) you can keep that address no matter what ISP you might end up going to.? ?That alone makes the effort worthwhile.
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Re: What Does Bouncing Member Tell their Email Provider? #bouncedemails

 

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 09:29 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:
The error code in his email delivery history log is always the same-
421 impin005.msg.chrl.nc.charter.net cmsmtp ESMTP server not available AUP#I-1300
What should I advise him to do? Email the error code to his provider? To their customer service?
We've seen a number of these kinds of delivery issues with charter/spectrum/rr over the past 15 months. In the case above, their mail server couldn't handle the request, and requested redelivery at a later time. Whether the message ever actually made it to charter is unclear.

No amount of whitelisting can remedy this. He could complain about it, but they probably already know...and have decided not to invest in the kind of infrastructure necessary to provide a reliable service.

Although it sounds glib, I suggest that you tell him to get a new email account with a provider whose mail servers are up to the task. There are plenty of options out there and many of them don't cost anything.
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Re: Replying to messages on Web page

 

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 07:01 AM, Wanda Hall wrote:
So bottom line, after all that waffle lol, is how do I make sure if anyone is replying on the web page the previous message they are replying to is also included on the page and also in mail notifications, without them having to copy it and use block quote so all users, be it mail notification only or web only can follow newer replies and know what bit of the thread the message refers to?
Wanda -- There is no group setting that will allow you as an Owner to enforce your own quoting rules.

As you noted, (unlike Yahoo) Groups.io does not automatically quote the previous message thread upon clicking the Reply button. This behavior in Yahoo was felt to promote over-quoting and message bloat, and it was better to leave it up to the person posting the reply to decide how much quoting is necessary to provide context.

Note that if you highlight some text with your mouse before hitting the Reply button, that text will be carried over as a quote in the message composition window (that's how I did the quote above). See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-composition-tips-and-tricks?for some other ideas that might make quoting online easier for you.?

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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What Does Bouncing Member Tell their Email Provider? #bouncedemails

 

I moderate a group for a national 501(c)(3) group. Membership includes access to the group's message board (now hosted by Groups.io). I have one member who has intermittent bouncing problems that have gone on for months. The problem seems to be with his email provider -- chartertn dot net (which I believe is a Spectrum service) -- but the member seems convinced the problem is with Groups.io. I presume he thinks that because his email account otherwise works normally. (As example, when I email him using my Gmail account.)

The error code in his email delivery history log is always the same-
421 impin005.msg.chrl.nc.charter.net cmsmtp ESMTP server not available AUP#I-1300
What should I advise him to do? Email the error code to his provider? To their customer service? We had another problem with a member, similar to this. The difference was, they knew what to do. Before I could suggest it they had already contacted their email provider and was told the email provider would "make sure" the groups.io group was "white listed for his account." They haven't had any problems since.

tommy0421