Re: Announced to Yahoo group we were moving, then saw that Yahoo is preventing transfers. Now what?
#transfer
#yahoo
Lawrence, If Susie ... has a complete or partial archive of the messages in
her group in an email folder ... on her own computer then you have a
Unix mailbox file for that Yahoo group. This is fairly portable data.
... In one instance I sent the admin of our Mailman list host and he
integrated that archive into my Mailman message archive, seamlessly.
Maybe groups.io could do the same thing for you with your new
groups.io group. Mark has offered occasionally (in beta) to import messages conveyed to him in mbox format, for transfers from a mailman list. IIRC no one has yet posted to GMF (or beta) whether such an import has been attempted or succeeded. If Susie (or someone with mod privileges in her group) can run the Messages export chrome app (also at YahooGroupedia) that will also give her an mbox format copy of the group Conversations. Notably that app was contributed by Mark himself, he built it from Sam's member export when he was working on the Easy Group Transfer function. Of course this is with the caveat that these chrome apps may or may not still work. Mark doubted that the membership one would, but others in beta confirm that it still does. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: Links split across multiple lines
David, Links split across multiple lines
How to stop this? What problem do you see with this? In my email client your example link breaks or not depending on the current width of the window where I have your message open. The link functions either way. Same deal on Groups.io's Messages section. Bruce wrote: Angle brackets are used a lot in html tags, and are best avoided when
typing message text. For plain text email, such as your example, angle brackets are actually the correct delimiter for links (html, mailto, or otherwise) and will help hold them together despite being broken across lines for display. Bruce's comment would apply to a formatted text editor, where you are better off using an Insert Link tool, if available. See for example... That particular topic link you can shorten to: < /g/TekScopes/topic/29595441> Often in an URL (link) you can toss the question mark and everything following it. But I always test after doing that because sometimes (like in a search link) the parameters after the ? are significant. For example: < /g/TekScopes/search?q=7854> Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: Editing text on homepage
John, This must be so incredibly easy that only I have problems, I see no
guidance in the help page. Try this wiki page, as far as I know the home page Description editor works the same as the message (New Topic or Reply) editor: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-composition-tips-and-tricksI am trying to get sections of headers followed by bullet points, then
the same in the next section, ... but I do it by copying to Word then
copying back. Copying from Word may be part of your problem. Word's formatting structures are very different, and may not copy well into Groups.io's HTML editors. Word shows soft carriage returns between the lines, which I change to
hard carriage returns before copying back. Shift+Enter inserts a paragraph break (similar to a hard return); Enter inserts a line break (similar to a soft return). For some formatting (especially blockquote and indent) the distinction is important. For lists though line break seems to work. I cannot apply bullet points to the selected text only. To get bullets I was able to type: Intro[Enter]Item 1[Enter]Item 2[Enter]Next[Enter] I then moved the cursor back up to Item 1 and selected it and Item 2, then clicked the Bullet List tool. The bullet formatting applies to the selected lines of text, and it is easy to accidentally include preceding or following lines in the selection. The cursor at the beginning of a line includes that line, so you may need to use the back-arrow key to step back to the end of the prior line if you selected the lines by clicking at the start of Item 1 then using Shift+DownArrow twice. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: Dedent on group description
Glenn, But found that when I tried to indent the middle line by selection, it
indented the following line and if I dedented the third line, it
dedented the second line. Try using Shift+Enter to break the lines. I haven't tested the Home page Description editor recently, but in a message body (New Topic or Reply) Enter inserts a line break, <br />, into the formatted text, whereas Shift+Enter inserts a paragraph break, <p> (and the corresponding end paragraph </p> somewhere later). Indent formatting operates on a paragraph basis. Note: the Wiki page editor is the other way around: Enter is a paragraph break, Shift+Enter is a line break. The home page Description editor probably ought to work like the Wiki, but I've not tried it in ages. When dealing with indents I find I usually need to experiment with Enter and Shift+Enter a bit to get what I want. Or else resort to the Source Code mode and subdue the HTML by hand. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: Contact Group Owner Link for Digests
Patty, If the link is on the list home page, but the list member cannot
figure out how to sign into Groups.io, not sure that's very helpful. They don't need to log in, that part of a group's home page is public. All they need do is follow the link in the digest to the group and then scroll down to where the Group Email Addresses are listed. but some/many of my list members are computer-challenged enough not to
figure out how to search for our list while not signed into Groups.io. No searching required. The link in the digest takes them straight to the group's home page. The only "trick" is having to scroll to the bottom of the page. The footer on the digest really should mirror the footer on an
individual email. You might present a persuasive case on beta to get the header/footer links of digests updated. Especially if you can articulate what's missing and why that's a problem (what's the use case?). IMO the statement that they should mirror what's on individual messages, while perhaps a useful criteria, wouldn't by itself be a persuasive motivator for change. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Dedent on group description
I wanted to type something like
lorem ipsum blah blah
?????? foo bar baz
quick brown cow
But found that when I tried to indent the middle line by selection, it indented the following line and if I dedented the third line, it dedented the second line.
Is this a bug or am I missing the technique of how to do this?? I eventually settled on just space indent.
Best,
Glenn
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Hi all, This week's change log: Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change. CHANGE: Temporarily disabled bounce processing for cox.net and
charter.net addresses, as they seem to be blocking us. I'm not sure what the practical result of this will be. From what people have said it sounds like the blocking hasn't been 100%, so this may allow those members to receive more messages without having to repeatedly unbounce themselves. On the other hand, without getting those services to stop their sporadic blocking of Groups.io those members are likely to still miss messages, a few or many. See also: /g/GroupManagersForum/message/14533/g/GroupManagersForum/message/14623Comments about these are welcome: INTERNAL: Wrote a tool to move a subgroup from one enterprise account
to another enterprise account.
INTERNAL: Refactored the API code and wrote a utility to generate the
API docs from the code itself.
INTERNAL: Added additional logging to track requests over multiple
services.
BUGFIX: The Download Members button wasn't shown on the Members page
for some people who did in fact have permission to download members. Please call out any you find significant. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: questions about bouncing
This is what my member received right after I sent the bounce probe. I don't know if it's the same as a probe or not, though it would seem to be, given the timing. Holly ~~~~~~~~~ From: "Groups.io" <[email protected]>
Date: January 31, 2019 at 6:22:54 AM EST
To: xxxxxx@...
Subject: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing
Hello,
Recently, emails sent to you have bounced back to us. This can be for many reasons, including: - We have an incorrect email address for you.
- Your account was or is full.
- Other temporary delivery issues.
We have suspended email delivery to you. This means you will no longer receive messages from the groups you are subscribed to, including:
[email protected]
[email protected]
You must take action to restore your account, or we will unsubscribe you from all of the groups you are a member of.
To unbounce your account, go to the following link:
/[email protected]&cookie=5096654515527008449
Thank you,
The Groups.io Team
~~~~~~~~ On 1/31/19 9:11 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote: Holly -- It is difficult to purposely create a bouncing situation unless a provider is acting up. Now that you have an actual copy of the bounce probe (I have never seen one), I suggest you upload it to the Files section (as a PDF or whatever) so we can refer others to it when they ask the same question.
Regards,
Bruce
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Re: About Google groups [correction: Google+]
Ok, thanks. ? Had me concerned!! ?Lol.
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On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 02:28 PM, Diana wrote:
I have a Goggle Acct and haven¡¯t seen this before. ?Are you sure it¡¯s for real? ? One would think anyone with a google acct would get it.
Diana --
Subsequent posts have clarified that this applies only to Google+ (a Facebook clone that no one appears to use). Google Groups, Google Search, the Chrome browser, GMail and Calendaring, Google Maps etc show no sign of going anywhere, and the sooner this thread of misinformation dies, the better.
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Bruce?
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Re: About Google groups [correction: Google+]
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 02:28 PM, Diana wrote:
I have a Goggle Acct and haven¡¯t seen this before. ?Are you sure it¡¯s for real? ? One would think anyone with a google acct would get it.
Diana --
Subsequent posts have clarified that this applies only to Google+ (a Facebook clone that no one appears to use). Google Groups, Google Search, the Chrome browser, GMail and Calendaring, Google Maps etc show no sign of going anywhere, and the sooner this thread of misinformation dies, the better.
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Regards,
Bruce?
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Re: About Google groups [correction: Google+]
I have a Goggle Acct and haven¡¯t seen this before. ?Are you sure it¡¯s for real? ? One would think anyone with a google acct would get it.
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That was the announcement
I got a reminder email from them this morning that Google+ goes
away along with all content in April but will become inaccessible
as early as this coming Monday or at least parts of it but it will
all be deleted and to save your pages and content.
I wondered how that affects Google Drive but suspect that gets
used and may not be part of Google+, at least I hope it isn't.
This is the text of the email that I received this morning:
"You've received this email because you have a consumer
(personal) Google+ account or you manage a Google+ page.
In December 2018, we
our decision to shut down Google+ for consumers in April 2019
due to low usage and challenges involved in maintaining a
successful product that meets consumers' expectations. We want
to thank you for being part of Google+ and provide next steps,
including how to download your photos and other content. On April 2nd, your Google+ account and any Google+ pages
you created will be shut down and we will begin deleting
content from consumer Google+ accounts. Photos and
videos from Google+ in your Album Archive and your Google+
pages will also be deleted. You can (
You've received this email because you have a consumer
(personal) Google+ account or you manage a Google+ page. In December 2018, we
our decision to shut down Google+ for consumers in April
2019 due to low usage and challenges involved in
maintaining a successful product that meets consumers'
expectations. We want to thank you for being part of
Google+ and provide next steps, including how to download
your photos and other content. On April 2nd, your Google+ account and any Google+
pages you created will be shut down and we will begin
deleting content from consumer Google+ accounts.
Photos and videos from Google+ in your Album Archive and
your Google+ pages will also be deleted. You can your content, just make sure to do so
before April. Note that photos and videos backed up in
Google Photos will not be deleted. The process of deleting content from consumer Google+
accounts, Google+ Pages, and Album Archive will take a few
months, and content may remain through this time. For
example, users may still see parts of their Google+
account via activity log and some consumer Google+ content
may remain visible to G Suite users until consumer Google+
is deleted. As early as February 4th, you will no longer be able
to create new Google+ profiles, pages, communities or
events. See the full
for more details and updates leading up to the shutdown. If you're a Google+ Community owner or moderator,
you may (
) your data for your Google+ Community. Starting early
March 2019, additional data will be available for
download, including author, body, and photos for every
community post in a public community. If you sign in to sites and apps using the Google+
Sign-in button, these buttons will stop working in
the coming weeks but in some cases may be replaced by a
Google Sign-in button. You'll still be able to sign in
with your Google Account wherever you see Google Sign-in
buttons. If you've used Google+ for comments on your own or
other sites, this feature will be removed from
Blogger by February 4th and other sites by March 7th. All
your Google+ comments on all sites will be deleted
starting April 2, 2019. If you're a G Suite customer, Google+ for your G
Suite account should remain active. Contact your for more details. You can also
expect a new look and new features soon. If you're a developer using Google+ APIs or
Google+ Sign-in, click
to see how this will impact you. From all of us on the Google+ team, thank you for making
Google+ such a special place. We are grateful for the
talented group of artists, community builders, and thought
leaders who made Google+ their home. It would not have
been the same without your passion and dedication. Google LLC 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA
94043 You have received this mandatory email service
announcement to update you about important changes to your
Google+ Page, product or account.
your content, just make sure to do so before April. Note that
photos and videos backed up in Google Photos will not be
deleted. The process of deleting content from consumer Google+
accounts, Google+ Pages, and Album Archive will take a few
months, and content may remain through this time. For example,
users may still see parts of their Google+ account via
activity log and some consumer Google+ content may remain
visible to G Suite users until consumer Google+ is deleted. As early as February 4th, you will no longer be able to
create new Google+ profiles, pages, communities or events. See the full
for more details and updates leading up to the shutdown. If you're a Google+ Community owner or moderator, you
may your data for your Google+ Community. Starting
early March 2019, additional data will be available for
download, including author, body, and photos for every
community post in a public community. If you sign in to sites and apps using the Google+ Sign-in
button, these buttons will stop working in the coming
weeks but in some cases may be replaced by a Google Sign-in
button. You'll still be able to sign in with your Google
Account wherever you see Google Sign-in buttons. If you've used Google+ for comments on your own or other
sites, this feature will be removed from Blogger by
February 4th and other sites by March 7th. All your Google+
comments on all sites will be deleted starting April 2, 2019.
If you're a G Suite customer, Google+ for your G Suite
account should remain active. Contact your for more details. You can also expect a
new look and new features soon. If you're a developer using Google+ APIs or Google+
Sign-in, click
to see how this will impact you. From all of us on the Google+ team, thank you for making
Google+ such a special place. We are grateful for the talented
group of artists, community builders, and thought leaders who
made Google+ their home. It would not have been the same
without your passion and dedication. Google LLC 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043 You have received this mandatory email service announcement
to update you about important changes to your Google+ Page,
product or account."
The above was the text of the email message I received this
morning.
Jim Pruitt
On 2/1/2019 6:25 AM, Bruce Bowman
wrote:
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 09:24 AM, Leeni wrote:
Be prepared for a whole bunch of groups moving to
groups IO because Google groups are closing.
Leeni -- Could you provide a link to this announcement?
Thanks,
Bruce
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Re: How can we delete attachment storage to keep from bouncing
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 04:37 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I've manipulated the images as requested. Let us know if you receive notifications.
Aha! Success... I think. I received the moderated posting at 1631, with the notification of the edit immediately following it with the same time stamp. The moderated/edited posting had a single photo attached, so clearly one had been deleted at moderation. When I looked at the web UI the photo that had been emailed had also disappeared as a post - moderation edit. However only one notification turned up with the message Deleting images as requested in it. The edited message that accompanied as an attachment to the notification still had the "second" photo in it, but as stated above that is now no longer visible on the web UI So I certainly got a single notification, not the two I was expecting. But no matter; it has proved that my other email address (for some reason) didn't pass the notifications. I have had another look at both email delivery histories and nothing untoward is visible. I will revert to the test group if any further ways of going round in circles springs to mind. :) Chris
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Re: About Google groups [correction: Google+]
That was the announcement
I got a reminder email from them this morning that Google+ goes
away along with all content in April but will become inaccessible
as early as this coming Monday or at least parts of it but it will
all be deleted and to save your pages and content.
I wondered how that affects Google Drive but suspect that gets
used and may not be part of Google+, at least I hope it isn't.
This is the text of the email that I received this morning:
"You've received this email because you have a consumer
(personal) Google+ account or you manage a Google+ page.
In December 2018, we
our decision to shut down Google+ for consumers in April 2019
due to low usage and challenges involved in maintaining a
successful product that meets consumers' expectations. We want
to thank you for being part of Google+ and provide next steps,
including how to download your photos and other content.
On April 2nd, your Google+ account and any Google+ pages
you created will be shut down and we will begin deleting
content from consumer Google+ accounts. Photos and
videos from Google+ in your Album Archive and your Google+
pages will also be deleted. You can (
You've received this email because you have a consumer
(personal) Google+ account or you manage a Google+ page.
In December 2018, we
our decision to shut down Google+ for consumers in April
2019 due to low usage and challenges involved in
maintaining a successful product that meets consumers'
expectations. We want to thank you for being part of
Google+ and provide next steps, including how to download
your photos and other content.
On April 2nd, your Google+ account and any Google+
pages you created will be shut down and we will begin
deleting content from consumer Google+ accounts.
Photos and videos from Google+ in your Album Archive and
your Google+ pages will also be deleted. You can your content, just make sure to do so
before April. Note that photos and videos backed up in
Google Photos will not be deleted.
The process of deleting content from consumer Google+
accounts, Google+ Pages, and Album Archive will take a few
months, and content may remain through this time. For
example, users may still see parts of their Google+
account via activity log and some consumer Google+ content
may remain visible to G Suite users until consumer Google+
is deleted.
As early as February 4th, you will no longer be able
to create new Google+ profiles, pages, communities or
events.
See the full
for more details and updates leading up to the shutdown.
If you're a Google+ Community owner or moderator,
you may (
)
your data for your Google+ Community. Starting early
March 2019, additional data will be available for
download, including author, body, and photos for every
community post in a public community.
If you sign in to sites and apps using the Google+
Sign-in button, these buttons will stop working in
the coming weeks but in some cases may be replaced by a
Google Sign-in button. You'll still be able to sign in
with your Google Account wherever you see Google Sign-in
buttons.
If you've used Google+ for comments on your own or
other sites, this feature will be removed from
Blogger by February 4th and other sites by March 7th. All
your Google+ comments on all sites will be deleted
starting April 2, 2019.
If you're a G Suite customer, Google+ for your G
Suite account should remain active. Contact your for more details. You can also
expect a new look and new features soon.
If you're a developer using Google+ APIs or
Google+ Sign-in, click
to see how this will impact you.
From all of us on the Google+ team, thank you for making
Google+ such a special place. We are grateful for the
talented group of artists, community builders, and thought
leaders who made Google+ their home. It would not have
been the same without your passion and dedication.
Google LLC 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA
94043
You have received this mandatory email service
announcement to update you about important changes to your
Google+ Page, product or account.
your content, just make sure to do so before April. Note that
photos and videos backed up in Google Photos will not be
deleted.
The process of deleting content from consumer Google+
accounts, Google+ Pages, and Album Archive will take a few
months, and content may remain through this time. For example,
users may still see parts of their Google+ account via
activity log and some consumer Google+ content may remain
visible to G Suite users until consumer Google+ is deleted.
As early as February 4th, you will no longer be able to
create new Google+ profiles, pages, communities or events.
See the full
for more details and updates leading up to the shutdown.
If you're a Google+ Community owner or moderator, you
may your data for your Google+ Community. Starting
early March 2019, additional data will be available for
download, including author, body, and photos for every
community post in a public community.
If you sign in to sites and apps using the Google+ Sign-in
button, these buttons will stop working in the coming
weeks but in some cases may be replaced by a Google Sign-in
button. You'll still be able to sign in with your Google
Account wherever you see Google Sign-in buttons.
If you've used Google+ for comments on your own or other
sites, this feature will be removed from Blogger by
February 4th and other sites by March 7th. All your Google+
comments on all sites will be deleted starting April 2, 2019.
If you're a G Suite customer, Google+ for your G Suite
account should remain active. Contact your for more details. You can also expect a
new look and new features soon.
If you're a developer using Google+ APIs or Google+
Sign-in, click
to see how this will impact you.
From all of us on the Google+ team, thank you for making
Google+ such a special place. We are grateful for the talented
group of artists, community builders, and thought leaders who
made Google+ their home. It would not have been the same
without your passion and dedication.
Google LLC 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043
You have received this mandatory email service announcement
to update you about important changes to your Google+ Page,
product or account."
The above was the text of the email message I received this
morning.
Jim Pruitt
On 2/1/2019 6:25 AM, Bruce Bowman
wrote:
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On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 09:24 AM, Leeni wrote:
Be prepared for a whole bunch of groups moving to
groups IO because Google groups are closing.
Leeni -- Could you provide a link to this announcement?
Thanks,
Bruce
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Re: How can we delete attachment storage to keep from bouncing
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 11:30 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
I have attached two photographs to this message. Could I ask that you delete either one of them before releasing the message to the group. Then, once the message is "public", delete the other one to see if I get a notification of any sort?
Generally, GMF should not be used for testing purposes; but as this particular request should be invisible to other subscribers, I've manipulated the images as requested. Let us know if you receive notifications.
Bruce; another possibility: is your group (from which you provided the screenshots) Basic or Premium? That might make a difference.
My bowmanfamily "test" group is on the Basic plan. It didn't start out as a test group, but I couldn't coerce any of my family members into using it, so that's what it devolved into. :-) Regards, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: How can we delete attachment storage to keep from bouncing
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 01:55 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Please consider the possibility that notifications are being sent but your email provider is filtering them.
A possibility that I cannot entirely discount! IIRC my "other" email address is one that has no spam filtering, but I will have to go back to the person who set it up for me (it is one of a block to which he pays for as part of another website) to verify this. I have had a look at its Delivery History on the test group and nothing untoward is showing. So... what next? Can I beg a favour or two from a Moderator on this site? It will provide a check using my "normal" email address. I have attached two photographs to this message. Could I ask that you delete either one of them before releasing the message to the group. Then, once the message is "public", delete the other one to see if I get a notification of any sort? Thanks in anticipation... Bruce; another possibility: is your group (from which you provided the screenshots) Basic or Premium? That might make a difference. Chris
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Re: About Google groups [correction: Google+]
Okay,?they made the letter sound so confusing.
I bet though many when they receive that letter will jump ship and move to groups io?
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Date: 2/1/2019 10:06:59 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Letter I received from Google
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Google+, not Google Groups.
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Scott
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Re: About Google groups [correction: Google+]
Thanks - that is good news.
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Date: 2/1/2019 10:07:45 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Letter I received from Google
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Hi,
No.
Cheers,
Joseph
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Leeni
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 7:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Letter I received from Google
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I wonder if this means gmail email accounts too
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Re: About Google groups [correction: Google+]
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Re: About Google groups [correction: Google+]
Google+, not Google Groups.
Scott
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Re: problem with auto delivery messages
Oh, yikes-? yeah, don't want to do that. Thanks Bruce, guess I will just be approving as they come in!
Patti
On Friday, February 1, 2019, 9:17:23 AM EST, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 09:07 AM, Patti wrote:
So, no workaround - just have to approve each time?
The work-around is to take your group off moderation, and set up all your subscribers as override:moderated. Not recommended. I suspect this change was requested by an Enterprise group. Bruce?
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Shal Farley
Bruce Bowman