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Ales,

Like i say i was asking if i can connect Sendiio autoresponder in
Funnels Freaks and how to create squeeze page in Funnels Freaks

Neither of those seem to have to do with Groups.io.

I think you still need to find the right place to ask, this isn't it.

Shal


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Ken,

I don’t know enough to know the cause or the fix. I just know it
doesn’t have anything to do with my screen or zooming.

Have you actually tried zooming out? Or is your text already as small as you can make it?

... there’s BASIC functionality that’s lacking (doesn’t matter which I
use, safari or chrome) that needs to be fixed ...

Your first screen shot looks like the ending drag handle is misplaced or something. That seems like a bug to report to [email protected], if you haven't already. Beta isn't for bugs.

The bit with the editing tool buttons is a little less clear-cut, but Su has reported it as a bug so we'll see what happens.

Shal


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Hello Ales,

Welcome to GMF.

I send probably 20 emails asking for help. No reply at all. That is
annoying

Sorry about that, I don't know where you asked but it wasn't here.

So what is your question about managing Groups.io groups?

Shal
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I don’t know enough to know the cause or the fix. I just know it doesn’t have anything to do with my screen or zooming. ? It’s frustrating cuz I didn’t get a vote on choosing IOG and there’s BASIC functionality that’s lacking (doesn’t matter which I use, safari or chrome) that needs to be fixed instead of effin around with crap like a FEED. Ditto on editing of wiki pages. Just basic stuff that NEEDS to be fixed. ?Sometimes I think folks who write code need to have a user permanently attached to their shoulder to when necessary slap em upside the head and say WTF u doin?

Su,

I am wondering whether there is a setting to prevent the whole
previous post (or string of posts) being included in replies.

As Duane said, nothing automatic; just member training.

Or moderation. You may notice that messages here on GMF sometimes have at the bottom a note: [excess quote trimmed by moderator]
That's what that's all about.

For people replying via the group's web site the opposite problem occurs: no quote is included unless the member selects what to quote before clicking Reply, or uses the formatting button to insert the entire message as a quote.

It's especially bad for people receiving digests I think?

There are a couple places with automatic mitigations, and Digest is one place. The system attempts to recognize and trim off bottom-quotes rather than have them clutter the Digest.

Reading on the web site is another. If the system detects a bottom-quote in a message then it displays a little blue ... button instead of the quote. Click the button to show/hide the quote.

Alas, those of us reading individual emails have to just soldier through. Fortunately, bottom quotes are usually easy enough to skip in an email interface: next message.

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Jan,

why are my IO accounts continually bouncing???

When logged in to Groups.io click on your name (upper right corner) and select Account from the menu.

In the list on the left click Recent Bounces.

The Reason column will tell you what your email service said when it rejected delivery of messages from your groups. If you need help understanding what it means, please post it here and we'll see if anyone in GMF can interpret it.

See also:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/dealing-with-bouncing
/static/help#bouncing

Others using your email service have reported (in beta) having issues with messages being rejected, but not in the last six months or so that I recall.

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There's currently nothing that can do this automatically, though it is on the TODO list -

As part of the Guidelines I have set up for several of my groups, I have one that says, "When replying to a message, don't include any more of the original message than is required to identify what you are responding to and no more than one previous message at most.? In most cases, no previous messages are needed because the reply will go into the thread in the order received.? Those of you using 'smart devices' will need to learn how to delete extraneous information.? There are still some of us that don't have unlimited, high speed internet access, so please be considerate."? We also have a Wiki page that explains Trimming Message Clutter.

Duane
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I am wondering whether there is a setting to prevent the whole previous post (or string of posts) being included in replies.

What is happening is that some people's email clients are adding on reply after reply and eventually each message that is sent to the group is a huge concatenation of all that. It's especially bad for people receiving digests I think?

Can these be cut off or is it up to each person to reply in a "nice" way?

Thanks,
Su

why are my IO accounts continually bouncing???

Jan B-B

Gerald,

Maybe Mark could be coerced into doing an auto-wrap
instead of a truncate on the toolbars.

I'd be happy if he could be coerced into using the available width better. That might mean making individual decisions about which buttons to include, rather than lopping off a large batch of them at once.

Shal


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Sorry, I can't help you with iOS editing. I barely know enough about Androids to be able to fumble together a two line text message in an emergency.

We've already gone over the limitations of the narrow toolbar on narrow screen devices. Maybe Mark could be coerced into doing an auto-wrap instead of a truncate on the toolbars.

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Samuel G,

Background: I am facilitating conversation among a closed group of
individuals; however all the conversation will take place within 7-8
threads.

Or are there other options I haven't yet visualized?

One of the other options is to subdivide the conversations by subgroup.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Why-use-a-Subgroup
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Subgroups

Each subgroup will have its own address and home page, and could have its own footer and its own subject tag in email and sticky note or pinned message(s) on the web.

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On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 06:41 PM, Samuel Gerstin wrote:

Or are there other options I haven't yet visualized?

Yes; probably lots of them.

However, if the options you are looking for are not available in the Settings pages, then they are... not available.

Chris

Samuel M,

If I understand correctly, then, we would be able to avoid these
bounce messages by simply setting her account not to send her a copy
of her own mails. Is there such a setting (i.e.: do not send me my
own mails)?

No.

Since it is only her own posts going back to her that are bouncing it sounds like what she needs is the Gmail-style From re-writing.

That's not something that there is a user control for, Mark is trying to handle it on a domain-wide basis so that all users of such a domain get the benefit once the domain is identified.

I think that still leaves her with two options.

1) Go through her email service's procedure to set a "bypass" for that spoof blocking. That has the advantage that she'll receive her own messages with her email address intact in the From field (but that's a rather slim advantage).

2) Contact [email protected] and ask to have her accounts handled in the fashion of Gmail users: re-write the From field for one's own messages only. This has the minor disadvantage that she would see her own messages as being From: user@... but would have the likely advantage of benefiting every user of domain1 and domain2. It is also simpler for her to achieve (one email message versus whatever rigamarole).

I'm not sure if these bounces are dangerous in the long run.

Not really dangerous, but they may be inconvenient. Particularly if they are keeping her account in Bouncing status: that would block her from participation in the group until she un-bounces each time.

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Sam, I find that hashtags work well to organize conversations. And you can find hashtags in the sidebar of your group site - for example:

/g/GroupManagersForum/hashtags

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 12:22 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

if they've made bookmarks or address book entries those will need to be updated.

Any subscriptions to the group calendar will also need to be updated - as I found out when I renamed my main group.

Andy

On 2019/03/29 05:02 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

Samuel wrote:

When? ? Message Reason
Mar 28? [message title] 550 Rejected by header based Anti-Spoofing
policy: user@... <mailto:user@...> -

What I find odd is that both bounce messages refer to
user@... <mailto:user@...>.

From what you say later I'm going to guess that those both refer to the same account at that organization. Why there are two domains for it I don't know.

Oh, I'm aware that this sort of thing happens when a company's name changes, or if the company merges with another one, so that both entities continue to exist separately but they are also somehow one company, and allow users to retain their old addresses somehow.

Anyway, the way that this bounce message is displayed by Groups.io makes it appear as if it was the first message in the thread that bounced. The subject line is not preceded by "Re:", so I assumed that the message that bounced was the first message. But there is a link to the message, and now I clicked the link, and discovered that the message that bounced was the user's own message. In other words, she received all the other messages, but her own one bounced at her side. This explains why the e-mail addresses are the same: because she sent only one message, from user@..., and that message then bounced on her side twice.

If I understand correctly, then, we would be able to avoid these bounce messages by simply setting her account not to send her a copy of her own mails. Is there such a setting (i.e.: do not send me my own mails)?

I'm not sure if these bounces are dangerous in the long run.

Thanks
Samuel