Okay, here are a few examples of how differentiating between "subscribers" and "members" might be useful and offer more functionality to a lot of Groups...

1. Subscribers, via an email address, may immediately have access to a public Groups.io sites (forums?), as I believe Groups.io works now. Think of it as a great way to promote "membership" in an "organization" to which the forum (or Group if that's the correct term) is associated. Except, we want to limit access to new subscribers to view and download only; no posting, uploading anything, and no ability to "create" anything (files, folders, calendar entry, polls, etc.). This is somewhat possible now, I think, by requiring new subscribers to be moderated, except access control is very limited.

2. During a visit to the organization's Groups.io forum, the subscriber views and learns more about the organization itself and decides they want to become a "member" of the organization; maybe go to meetings, pay annual dues, attend functions, and reap all the benefits of joining the organization. Joining the "organization" also provides and grants full access to the Groups.io forum (less owner/moderator functions, of course). The individual is now both a subscriber, which gets them access to other public Groups.io sites, and a "member" of the organization with member-exclusive privileges in specific Groups.io sites (forums, etc).

Facilitating this additional layer of level-management would require the addition of a "members" category to the drop-down access menus ... Of course, I know it is certainly not as simple as that and would require a substantial change in the "what if" programming. Maybe not ... as I haven't looked at the code, of course.

Anyway, I hope this helps understand the suggestion, and certainly, there are Groups that don't or won't need it ... fine ... if you guys are happy, no need to comment to this message! Yahoo! Groups allowed us to differentiate between subscribers and members and we are missing that functionality. I imagine a few other immigrants from Yahoo! might be missing this layer of management as well.
Respectfully,
D.Gregory

Received from Michael Pavan at 6/25/2018 08:14 PM UTC:

On Jun 25, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:32 pm, Michael Pavan wrote:
So what I was asking is:
if (I use the New Topic feature) is there (a copy of my post somewhere in

my Groups.io group that I sent the message to), (and if so) how can I find it?

See /static/help#dupemail If you check the box, you

will receive a copy when you post online (as you wish), but will get a duplicate copy (i.e.: along with the one your client saved) whenever you send by email. If you uncheck the box, you will not get any emails you sent yourself, no matter where you send it from. You can't have it both ways.

Hope this helps,

No, it doesn't. My question has nothing to do with sending a message through my email provider.

Let me try the question again:

1) I click on "New Topic" on the GMF Groups.io group website (to which I am subscribed and have a Password)

2) I write and send a message.

3) It appears I have no copy of that message, unless and until it is approved and sent out to members of GMF

4) Only then do I have a copy of it (by receiving it through email) - if it is not approved, it seems I have no copy of it.

5) Before it is approved (if ever), is there a copy of my message submitted by clicking on "New Topic" on the GMF Groups.io group website, that I can find and refer to?

6) If so, where and how can I find it?

When posting via the web interface as you describe above, you cannot view the message you posted once submitting it until it is made visible to the entire group.

Perhaps a solution is to POST using an email client on your own computer and then read via whichever method you prefer.

Or perhaps copy the posting before submitting it and save/print it using something like WordPad until it appears on-line. (Yeah, I wouldn't go to that length either.)

Jim H

Received from Michael Pavan at 6/25/2018 08:03 PM UTC:

Members and Subscribers is synonymous.

I think of and understand:

Subscribers: as people who have a subscribed email address, but do not have a Password, and can only receive and send messages to a Groups.io group.

Members: as Subscribers who do have a Password, and can access the Groups.io group website to access all available features.

If those aren't the correct names to refer to these two distinct levels of Groups.io participation, what are?

There are no distinct levels of member/subscribership. Those two labels - member/subscriber - are synonymous. The "levels," if one chooses to think of it that way, are Owner, Moderator, member/subscriber... in that order. Moderators have additional privileges/authority/responsibility as granted by the Owner from a limited list of additional privileges/authorities/responsibilities.

Jim H

Michael,

As a former long time user of Yahoo Groups, I learned that making a post (new topic or reply) did not guarantee that I or anyone else would ever see a copy of it.

From that scenario, I got into the habit of making a backup copy for myself whenever I created a post. Saved me from recreating the post over from scratch many times.

I have not seen the need to make backups here as reliability has not been an issue.

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Gerald - THAT WAS IT! Many thanks ...

Clint Bradford

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Michael,

I think of and understand:

Subscribers: as people who have a subscribed email address, but do not
have a Password, and can only receive and send messages to a Groups.io
group.

Members: as Subscribers who do have a Password, and can access the
Groups.io group website to access all available features.

I like that usage as well, but am not consistent about it. And the Groups.io UI and help certainly aren't consistent in its usage.

However I'm inclined to use Subscriber in any email context, regardless of whether the person has a password or has ever used the web site or not.

If those aren’t the correct names to refer to these two distinct
levels of Groups.io participation, what are?

Those "levels" are not as distinct in Groups.io as they were in Yahoo Groups, here they mostly reflect habitual participation.

One of the reasons the levels aren't as distinct is that every subscribed email address has a corresponding account - whether or not the user ever logged in to the web site to access it. Also, users can access their account (and groups subscribed by that account) at any time without setting or using a password - they can log in using a link sent by email instead.

Shal


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On Jun 25, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Michael,

if (I use the New Topic feature) is there (a copy of my post somewhere
in my Groups.io group that I sent the message to), (and if so) how can
I find it?

No there is not. Nor is there for replies you post via the group's Messages section. They only surface if approved to post in the group.

It would be nice if there were an equivalent of the Sent folder, say on your Subscription page. Failing that, or maybe in addition to it, it would also be nice if there were a BCC me checkbox in both places (New Topic and Reply). It is possible that one or both ideas have been discussed in beta:

Thanks for hearing my question and clarifying.

(My response to the other non-answer to my question passed each other by while posting) :)

On Jun 25, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:32 pm, Michael Pavan wrote:
So what I was asking is:
if (I use the New Topic feature) is there (a copy of my post somewhere in my Groups.io group that I sent the message to), (and if so) how can I find it?
See /static/help#dupemail If you check the box, you will receive a copy when you post online (as you wish), but will get a duplicate copy (i.e.: along with the one your client saved) whenever you send by email. If you uncheck the box, you will not get any emails you sent yourself, no matter where you send it from. You can't have it both ways.

Hope this helps,

No, it doesn’t. My question has nothing to do with sending a message through my email provider.

Let me try the question again:

1) I click on “New Topic” on the GMF Groups.io group website (to which I am subscribed and have a Password)

2) I write and send a message.

3) It appears I have no copy of that message, unless and until it is approved and sent out to members of GMF

4) Only then do I have a copy of it (by receiving it through email) - if it is not approved, it seems I have no copy of it.

5) Before it is approved (if ever), is there a copy of my message submitted by clicking on “New Topic” on the GMF Groups.io group website, that I can find and refer to?

6) If so, where and how can I find it?

Michael,

if (I use the New Topic feature) is there (a copy of my post somewhere
in my Groups.io group that I sent the message to), (and if so) how can
I find it?

No there is not. Nor is there for replies you post via the group's Messages section. They only surface if approved to post in the group.

It would be nice if there were an equivalent of the Sent folder, say on your Subscription page. Failing that, or maybe in addition to it, it would also be nice if there were a BCC me checkbox in both places (New Topic and Reply). It is possible that one or both ideas have been discussed in beta:


Shal


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Members and Subscribers is synonymous.

I think of and understand:

Subscribers: as people who have a subscribed email address, but do not have a Password, and can only receive and send messages to a Groups.io group.

Members: as Subscribers who do have a Password, and can access the Groups.io group website to access all available features.

If those aren’t the correct names to refer to these two distinct levels of Groups.io participation, what are?

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:32 pm, Michael Pavan wrote:

So what I was asking is:
if (I use the New Topic feature) is there (a copy of my post somewhere in my Groups.io group that I sent the message to), (and if so) how can I find it?

See /static/help#dupemail? If you check the box, you will receive a copy when you post online (as you wish), but will get a duplicate copy (i.e.: along with the one your client saved) whenever you send by email.?If you uncheck the box, you will not get any emails you sent yourself, no matter where you send it from. You can't have it both ways.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:31 pm, Tom H wrote:

would an optional setting for Files and Photos Permissions be a reasonable request?

I have encountered many situations where this would be handy, including the placement of a group photo on the group's home page (using an <img> tag) and being able to insert a link to our membership application in our Pending Subscription notice.

Optimally, I would prefer it to be a security option at the folder level, not a group setting. If you were to I would give it a bump.?

Regards,
Bruce?
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:30 pm, Denny G. wrote:

It's not clear what the difference is between Subscribers and Members, and both terms are found in SETTINGS. An example of how this can work for us (and possibly others) is, if we want to have "members" be able to create albums, upload and edit in PHOTOS, but "subscribers" be able to view and download only. It would include adding more "members" selections to the drop-down selections in settings.

Members and Subscribers is synonymous. If you want to give any of your subscribers special privileges, you have to make them Moderators.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:34 am, Denny G. wrote:

A suggestion would be to have the last album created be next in the list,

Photo albums are sorted alphabetically by default, but you can change that using the "sort by" menu at the top right of the page.?

If you leave and come back, it will be sorted alphabetically again.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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Your email program/provider created a copy in your Sent folder.

Yes, I stated and understand that.

Groups.IO does not have access to your mail folders on your PC or web mail so there's no way it can put a copy there.

Obviously

(and that's not something that can ever be done so please don't ask.)

Agreed. I wasn’t asking that.

If the group is moderated, the post will not be visible on the web until after approved.

Yes, I stated and understand that.


What I meant, and apparently may not have been clear enough about is:
When I use the New Topic feature (because I did not send it through my email provider and of course do not have a copy of it in my Sent folder) it seems I do not (have a copy of it in my Groups.io group that I sent the message to, until and) only if my post is approved will it then appear as a New Topic.

So what I was asking is:
if (I use the New Topic feature) is there (a copy of my post somewhere in my Groups.io group that I sent the message to), (and if so) how can I find it?

I want the public to view what's in Files and Photos so, at the moment, my only option is to store them outside Groups.io. In that case, it would be easier to build the site outside Groups.io as I already have a set of working HTML files and linked image and non-image files.?

Otherwise, would an optional setting for Files and Photos Permissions be a reasonable request?

1. Public can view
   1. Subscribers can view
   2. Subscribers can upload

It's not clear what the difference is between Subscribers and Members, and both terms are found in SETTINGS. An example of how this can work for us (and possibly others) is, if we want to have "members" be able to create albums, upload and edit in PHOTOS, but "subscribers" be able to view and download only. It would include adding more "members" selections to the drop-down selections in settings.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:00 am, Clint Bradford wrote:

My formatting bar is missing that Paper Clip to add photos to messages.

Clint,

This happens if the group is configured to disallow attachments. It must be set to "Allow" if you want to add attachments.

The setting is found here:?Admin > Settings >
Scroll down to: Messaging Formats > Attachments?

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