Re: Not understanding “Special Notice”

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>>>?if a SM could be sent via email (as either an original Topic or a follow-up post) if the [prefix] is included in the Subject line????<<<

No, that does not work. ?Mark (apparently) strips off a [Special] prefix from an incoming e-mail, and the emails sent out do not contain the Prefix.?

Do I understand it correctly (someone verified?) that ALL REPLIES to a Topic hashtagged w/ Send as Special Notice, are?also sent with the [Special] prefix?

Before I make a #suggestion I'd like to understand exactly what occurs.?

Re: Sharing responses to postings with entire group

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Anita

I may be in the minority and be misunderstanding but I'm confused as to what exactly you want to do.?

“share all responses to all posting with all members” sounds, to me, as if you want to “repost” or somehow “make available,” in one single action, ALL RESPONSES that have EVER been posted to EVERY Topic that had posted to your group. ?

Is that what you mean?

Or do you mean be able to direct members to ALL replies to ONE particular topic? ? You can create a link that, when sent to the group, will point them to the entire thread of the given Topic if that's what you intend.?

Can you clarify the end result you want.?

Ken

Re: Sharing responses to postings with entire group

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If members aren't getting messages sent to the group email address, you should check out your group settings in Admin. Check the Reply To settings. For information about it, see

/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/customizing-group-settings/message-policy-settings

Members can be encouraged to adjust their subscription ?- See Member Help,?/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/controlling-your-email-subscription-preferences
Some members may prefer digest or even just get the first message in any thread and then just follow the thread by choose that.

Frances

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Help available from Groups.io help and GMF wiki.

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Re: Sharing responses to postings with entire group

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Anita,

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From what I can see and know, all anyone in your group has to do to ‘share all postings with all members’ is to have the members send a post to your address <[email protected]> . That will put any post into ‘Messages’, and then anyone authorized to see the messages would have all of them visible. Am I missing something here?

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It appears you have all messages moderated, all group members moderated and subscriptions monitored. Ergo, no one should be able to ‘get in’ without being approved; no message should ‘post’ without being approved by a moderator; no member should be able to read anything without the pre-approvals (moderators clearing all aspects) first. But, once they are part of the group, and the message is posted…it should be fully available to all who are authorized.

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Dan Tucker, Groups.io ?AFDRetiree’s Group and AFSMA Group Founder/Owner/Moderator

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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> on behalf of Anita Goldstein <anitagold1232@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 14:47
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: [GMF] Sharing responses to postings with entire group

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I own a group (Brain Exchange) and I'm frequently? asked if there's a way to share all responses to all posting with all members.
Can this be done.?
I'm reluctant to do it because it seems to me that it would result in information overload, but it seems to be what the members want.

Is there a way to have responses available, but not forced onto the pages?
thank you
Anita Goldstein

Re: Not understanding “Special Notice”

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@JS

>>>I think if your reply via the web interface, rather than your email program<<<

My experience is that once the OM is posted, the checkbox is no longer available for follow up messages posted by the Mod.?

@BB
It appears that the only diffs/a SM is that the prefix [Special] is appended to the email Subject (but is scrubbed from and does not appear on the web UI Topic. ?
I see benefit to having that #tag since it seems that it should persist in the Topic text.?

I wonder if a SM could be sent via email (as either an original Topic or a follow-up post) if the [prefix] is included in the Subject line???

Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

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@BB. ?Understood! Thx.?

@SS
Not really a problem for me but I wondered if Gio might benefit from cleaning up those who are Bounced. ?
Kinda like mis matched pairs in MY drawer that are of little value to keep taking up space. ?Keeping them, hoping that the dryer eats another of the same type/color seems a long stretch. ?

Being an engineer I lean toward (although not anally) neat and tidy over loosey goosey.?

What color and size are they - perhaps we can start a hardly used sock collection?

Re: Not understanding “Special Notice”

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I think if your reply via the web interface, rather than your email program, you can set the reply to be "Special Notice."  Another way to do this could be with a hashtag that is set to "Special Notice" and that is only usable by owners/moderators.  I have found that when I use a hashtag like this that when non-owner/moderators reply it is sent, but not as a special notice.  However, if I reply using my email program it does get marked as special.

Jonathan

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On 2/18/2024 2:00 PM, KWKloeber via groups.io wrote:
I initiated a Topic and posted it as a Special Notice. ?But I cannot add another msg to that Topic as a Special Notice (in order to make sure that it reaches members with notifications set to ‘Only Special Notices’, plus draw attention to it.)
Does a special notice topic “remain” a Special Notice, so that follow-up messages by a mod get that treatment?

Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

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On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 05:43 PM, Sarah Shapiro wrote:

And what does it matter if you have members who no longer read messages at all?? How is that a problem for the group?

On legacy groups, none.? On new groups where there's a cost per member over a given number, it could cost the owner money.

Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

Sharing responses to postings with entire group

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I own a group (Brain Exchange) and I'm frequently? asked if there's a way to share all responses to all posting with all members.
Can this be done.?
I'm reluctant to do it because it seems to me that it would result in information overload, but it seems to be what the members want.

Is there a way to have responses available, but not forced onto the pages?
thank you
Anita Goldstein

Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

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Members whose email addresses are?bouncing may still be reading messages on the website.

And what does it matter if you have members who no longer read messages at all?? How is that a problem for the group?? I have some socks in my sock drawer that I have not worn in years.? Not a problem.? Some day, I might want to put them on. Some day, those members might want to ask a question or look something up on the website.

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Should I remove Bounced members to “clean up” the list?

Re: Not understanding “Special Notice”

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On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 03:04 PM, KWKloeber wrote:

Does a special notice topic “remain” a Special Notice, so that follow-up messages by a mod get that treatment?

If this is truly desirable behavior, the only way I know of to do that is to create a #hashtag with the Special flag set and apply that hashtag to the topic. The "Send as Special" checkbox in the message composition window does not apply any hashtag.

Regards,
Bruce

Check out the groups.io Help Center?and?groups.io Owners Manual

Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

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On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 05:18 PM, KWKloeber wrote:

I sent a Special Notice to attempt to round up errant members who have not reverified. ?Checking, some are Bouncing and some Bounced. ? ?Does that mean they are not receiving my attempt or does Bounced refer to (only) other “system notices” and my “Special Notice” will be sent to that address?

Members who are Bouncing or Bounced do not receive any group messages. This includes Special Notices. The only messages that you can send via groups.io and might have a chance of being received are a DM or a bounce probe.

Should I remove Bounced members to “clean up” the list?

That's up to you. I usually check Email Delivery History to see what kind of undeliverable message comes back. By sending them all a bounce probe first you can be sure of having a recent response to look at.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

Check out the groups.io Help Center?and?groups.io Owners Manual

Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

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As long As you mentioned “Bounced” and “RI” together, a question:
I sent a Special Notice to attempt to round up errant members who have not reverified. ?Checking, some are Bouncing and some Bounced. ? ?Does that mean they are not receiving my attempt or does Bounced refer to (only) other “system notices” and my “Special Notice” will be sent to that address?
Should I remove Bounced members to “clean up” the list?

Re: Caution, if your group has only 1 owner

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On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 02:51 PM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:

I believe the majority of group owners agree there should be a designation of succession. ?It should be for the existing owner and/or members how that should occur. ?All that is needed is agreement from as to the formalities of implementation.

There are already options for "designation of succession", either by a co-owner or by setting up a digital will.? I see no reason for Groups.io to be involved at all.? We've pretty well covered the available options and it's just getting repetitive, so I'll be locking this topic.? Anyone that feels this should be continued should do so on the beta group, assuming Mark allows it, where he can see it and decide if it's worthwhile to pursue.? We won't be discussing it here again.

Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

Re: Caution, if your group has only 1 owner

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Carol,

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In my experience, a general request for a volunteer to become owner doesn’t work.?

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I found a person who I was confident would do a good job and asked if they would be willing to become?an owner and they agreed.?

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I hope you can find someone? like that in your group.?

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Bill

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Carol Collins via groups.io <sloinn@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2024 11:16:30 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [GMF] Caution, if your group has only 1 owner

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What happens if there's absolutely no interest in anyone volunteering to be either a co-owner or moderator, even after several requests? My group is nearing its fourth anniversary and no one has expressed any interest in helping. I'm going to try requesting again on our fourth anniversary, but it's frustrating.

Re: Caution, if your group has only 1 owner

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On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 03:51 PM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:

Yes, something should be done about this problem ASAP.

Anyone can come up with a specific proposal and make it on the group, where Mark can see it and respond as he sees fit. You don't need the permission of anyone here to do that.

Pete?

Re: Caution, if your group has only 1 owner

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The continuing failure of logic on this subject is based upon absolutist thinking.

I believe the majority of group owners agree there should be a designation of succession. ?It should be for the existing owner and/or members how that should occur. ?All that is needed is agreement from as to the formalities of implementation. ?That requires discussion among open minds.?

I believe this should be a new specific “change of owner” option within , no different than the other present options. ?Those not in favor can simply ignore it without denying others said option.

Group founder/owners are those logically responsible for whether or not there is a “succession plan” in place. ?There may be NO person/persons deemed qualified and interested in accepting group ownership responsibility immediately TODAY. ?

This is why more than a few groups have only one owner…not because they WANT it that way, but because they see more potential problems with currently available options. ?That’s why they refuse to adopt options they see as inappropriate or inapplicable. ?That’s what “needs fixing”.

Successful and predictable management succession is complex and subject to oversimplification. ?It is those who want a quick and easy “solution” that believe no problem exists. ?That’s simply not true.

Any succession ultimately made without prior Owner input based on history/experience is less likely to succeed in the long term. ?Whenever a group’s owner dies or is incapacitated, it expires and its history is forever lost. THAT is our problem re-stated.

Group founder/owner(s) should have option to designate one or more potential successors to become “Group Owner” upon prior owner’s death or incapacitation. ?They should also have the option to designate another person or procedure to assure completion of such transfer because the mere passage of time can change circumstances (such as interest or health) such that the logical choice of today may prove unwise or impossible tomorrow. ?

Owner’s death or incapacitation may prompt others to volunteer to “take over”. ?There should be a procedure then available (as determined by and acceptable to ) UNLESS the existing Group founder/owner(s) indicates in writing that they WISH the groups to expire upon such occurance. ?This would give hope in the situation described by Bob McGraw.

In some groups there are opposing factions. ?The designated group owner is the person best able to appoint a successor to “carry the flame” into the future. If they wish to continue to serve until they cannot, that option cannot be guaranteed today. ?

It isn’t a matter of what’s presently “in the FAC”, but what ISN’T. ?That said, I agree "This question has come up over and over.” ?

Yes, something should be done about this problem ASAP. ?This is why I advocate that appointment of a single successor owner (as opposed potentially competing multiples) should be a process initiated by immediate need and not attempt to see into the fog of the future with some inflexible legacy.

Sincerely,

William R.. Bayne

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On Feb 18, 2024, at 11:05 AM, Bruce Bowman <bowman46118@...> wrote:

The problem here is that Bob has no official capacity within the group. He isn't even a member. While his claims are likely to be true, there's no way to corroborate that independently. Evidence can be faked, and even "voting the current owner off the island" by polling existing members has its problems. Thus support's hands are tied.?

The group owner owns the group, not the members. He should be able to run it as he sees fit. If he wants it to wither from neglect, that's his right. If when he dies, he wants it to die with him, that's his right, too. He should not be subject to ouster by those who think they know how to do things better, even if it's just from a misunderstanding. If that happens even once, that's once too many.??

This question has come up over and over and that's why it's in the FAQ. If you think it might become a problem, do something about it now. You cannot buy life insurance after you're already dead.

Regards,
Bruce

Re: Question on subject text formatting/processing #misc

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I experimented by adding multiple more spaces, and they actually exist if you go back and Edit the Topic Properties. They simply do not display, which I suspect is “a Mark thing.”

I think don't that's exactly?concatenation, but regardless try using a hard space character (alt-255 on your num-pad; “nbsp”).?

There are other software that tend to lose extra spaces, <CRs> etc as when I create a text block or add text to a PDF and I have to cheat in order to have a blank line hold (start the line with s “.”)

Re: Group Forum owner is deceased. Reset?

Bob McGraw - K4TAX

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I have written a letter and sent it by snail mail to the address of the last owner of record, hoping a relative will respond.    If I can't raise a moderator, or owner and can't get approval, that is a dead end.   Likewise, if the moderator of record does not have privileges provided, then there can be no owner assigned.   The only hope is that some person in the administration at groups.io will be able to intervene.   

73
Bob, K4TAX

Not understanding “Special Notice”

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I initiated a Topic and posted it as a Special Notice. ?But I cannot add another msg to that Topic as a Special Notice (in order to make sure that it reaches members with notifications set to ‘Only Special Notices’, plus draw attention to it.)

Does a special notice topic “remain” a Special Notice, so that follow-up messages by a mod get that treatment?