On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 08:33 AM, Frances wrote:

is this a bug? Or rather two bugs?

in my opinion, all messages should be distributed via email ( to the members who subscribe to email), even my own to me. That way I maintain an external group archive in a mail folder. My own messages should not go missing there.

Probably a red herring. Sorry! ?Just wanted to point out that some messages will not go into the message archive.
Messages addressed to the group owner don't. -?[Groupname][email protected].
It will be sent to you by email if you have that checked off.
You can also see these messages in your owner Member screen - Admin, Members, your email address, then ?last button (+owner messages).

Frances

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 07:03 AM, Alois Treindl wrote:

I am moderator of a group.
Our group policy is to moderate the first posting of new members.

I had seen in my email to messages by the same new member.
i responded to the first one, to let it go through.

By responded, I guess you sent a blank reply email from your correct email address.

it was then normally distributed to the mailing list.

without any action on my side, the second message by same new member als appeared in the group messages in the web interface. It was however never emailed to the group members.

This is odd. It was in the message archive on your group site??
Check in the member's activity - Admin, Members.
Or in Admin, Activity to get some clues.
If it appeared on the site, normally that means that after the first email, the member was unmoderated. (This is your group setting, you say.) Or that another moderator approved it.
What is odd is that the message wasn't sent on to the other members.

i replied to it in the web interface, and that reply was also not distributed via email to group members.

"replied" means approved?

Have you checked to see the subscription preferences of the other members? Any turquoise (blue) FF's? That means they only get the first message in a thread. Or are they digest?

is this a bug? Or rather two bugs?

in my opinion, all messages should be distributed via email ( to the members who subscribe to email), even my own to me. That way I maintain an external group archive in a mail folder. My own messages should not go missing there.

Here are a couple of wiki pages on moderation.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-Moderation

And the nuts and bolts of it -?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Approving---moderating-a-message

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 11:34 PM, Frances wrote:

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 05:18 PM, BMaverick wrote:

I CLICKED via the digest email, hit the LIKE and now a DRAFT was created.

I just tested in the digest from Beta. To click like, you need to click to view / reply online - at least I don't see any other way to click Like. It isn't in the message footer. And clicking to reply online generates a draft.

I tested it too, using a digest from another group.? The link in the digest says "View/reply online", but there is no way to just view a message -- it always activates the "reply" field.? Then, when you click "Like", it sometimes saves the reply as a draft.? Not always, but sometimes it does.? This is definitely a bug.? If there is nothing in the "reply" field, then it should not save a draft, but it does (sometimes).

Also, personally I feel that opening the reply field automatically is overkill.? The link in the digest should just be "view online", and then the user is taken to the message online, but if he wants to reply, he can click the very visible "reply" link when he gets there.

Is it full featured digest you are using?

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I am moderator of a group.
Our group policy is to moderate the first posting of new members.

I had seen in my email to messages by the same new member.
i responded to the first one, to let it go through.
it was then normally distributed to the mailing list.

without any action on my side, the second message by same new member als appeared in the group messages in the web interface. It was however never emailed to the group members.

i replied to it in the web interface, and that reply was also not distrubuted via email to group members.

is this a bug? Or rather two bugs?

in my opinion, all messages should be distributed via email ( to the members who subscribe to email), even my own to me. That way I maintain an external group archive in a mail folder. My own messages should not go missing there.

Michel,

I want to know the difference between bounced (red B) and bouncing
(blue B) members.

While members are "bouncing" (blue B) Groups.io has stopped sending group postings to them, but is sending periodic "probe" messages asking them to acknowledge receipt of the probe (which will then remove "bouncing" status).

When members have gone to "bounced" (red B) Groups.io has given up on sending them automatic bounce probes. They will stay in this condition indefinitely until a moderator sends a bounce probe and they respond.

Shal


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On Dec 29, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Zapple100 via Groups.Io <aloaks2000@...> wrote:

What I don't like about the "Like" button is that it will get people to stop responding and just hit the button.

I like the "Like" button (or replying with "+1").
It allows me to show I'm in favor of an idea, without sending another tediously redundant 'me too' post that contributes no new information.

On 2019-12-29 at 11:51:16 PM, Jim Ratliff <jim@...> wrote:

I was unpleasantly surprised to find that I had been unaware for several
days of several messages that were in the Pending queue awaiting
moderation.
...
I have looked in my spam filter.

I looked at the MX record for jim-ratliff.name, and it looks like you're
using FastMail. Check your Backscatter spam settings [1]. If it's set to
discard, then the moderations messages aren't making it to you. The way that
Groups.io sends messages needing moderator approval triggers FastMail's
backscatter filter, which is separate from it's spam filter.

If you've been getting a bunch of backscatter spam and don't want to change
the setting from discard, you can use a bit of custom Sieve code (under
Rules in settings) [2] to move the moderation messages before the
backscatter discard rule kicks in.

Put something like this before the "3. Sieve generated for spam protection"
section.

# -- begin Sieve code --

# Groups.io moderation messages get identified as backscatter by FastMail.
# This runs before the backscatter rule and stops processing, so they end up
# in the right folder.
if allof(
address :is ["from"] ["[email protected]"]
, header :matches :comparator "i;ascii-casemap" ["Subject"] ["Message Approval Needed*"]
) {
# Adjust this folder path as needed.
fileinto "INBOX.Lists.Mod";
stop;
}

# -- end Sieve code --

[1]:
[2]:

A fellow FastMail user,
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 11:58 PM, Jim Ratliff wrote:

When I say I haven't received these notifications, I mean that I've looked at every message from?[email protected] without finding any such notification.)

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What would lead me to receive all these other types of notifications, but not receive notifications of messages requiring moderation?

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I have looked in my spam filter.

If you were searching your email, check for this in the subject - Message approval needed.?

Have you checked your activity in Subscription??
Also you can check in Admin, Activity.?

I am puzzled if you are receiving other messages during the same period you are not receiving the needing approval messages.?
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Thank you both for the replies. I've been waiting on the Yahoo GMF list for a little while now, and figured someone here may know the answer as well. Sounds like those options were removed (bizarre!) and my best bet is to update 1800 users manually. Cheers!?

开云体育

Hello,

A message was sent to the group from joeblow@... that needs to be approved.

View this message online [clickable]

…

There has been quite a bit of conversation about this on the Yahoo GMF list. You might want to check there. The people there will be in a better position to help you. My impression is that the Moderation controls have been removed from Yahoo groups as part of the recent "improvements".

Jonathan

Just thought if your owner hasn't given you sufficient permissions, you might like to see this wiki page about possibilities -?
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Promotion%2C-Status-or-Permissions-Change-to-Moderator-or-Owner

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 07:39 PM, y@es wrote:

I sent a post to an active group where I'm also a moderator.
It silently vanished.
I re-sent. Nada.

They do not appear at the management console.

Any idea what to check first?

Not sure where you mean by the management console.?

You could check in Admin, Activity. Your owner has to have given you that permission, but it is really necessary for moderation.
Look in Moderator Activity to see if the message was approved. (If it was rejected, you would get a message though. If the owner or moderator deleted it, you would not get an email about it.)
Check Message Activity as well.

You can also check in your own subscription - Subscription (side menu). Email delivery history. You will see if you are bouncing.

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I sent a post to an active group where I'm also a moderator.
It silently vanished.
I re-sent. Nada.

They do not appear at the management console.

Any idea what to check first?

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 04:18 PM, BMaverick wrote:

It's a pain to just go thru each one to delete.

Also, if you know they're all 'junk', on the draft page you can select all, click Discard, and verify - 3 clicks.

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 05:18 PM, BMaverick wrote:

I CLICKED via the digest email, hit the LIKE and now a DRAFT was created.?? At one time, I had 67 Drafts just on the GMF alone.? It's a pain to just go thru each one to delete.? So, I just let them roll now.?
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Do a LIKE, get a DRAFT for FREE.?? Not worried about it, not my problem.? It sure seems like a BUG.

I just tested in the digest from Beta. To click like, you need to click to view / reply online - at least I don't see any other way to click Like. It isn't in the message footer. And clicking to reply online generates a draft.
Is it full featured digest you are using?

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 04:18 PM, BMaverick wrote:

I CLICKED via the digest email, hit the LIKE and now a DRAFT was created.

Why even go online?? As mentioned earlier, you can Like via email by replying to the message in question.

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