On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 01:50 PM, fernando nocedal wrote:

Uploading an 800MB video.

I hope this is a home video.

After completing the upload (so it says), I get a message saying "wait for groups io" and then 20 sec later a message that says: " group io maintenance: we apologize for the downtime and expect to be back shortly". This has happened several times.

You got timed out.

It seems to depend on server load and the speed of your internet connection.?

Any suggestions? What is the max size of a file to be uploaded?

I'm not aware of any fixed limitation.

Groups.io is not designed for cloud storage. My suggestion is to upload it to a Google Drive or some such and share the file via a link.

Bruce

Uploading an 800MB video. After completing the upload (so it says), I get a message saying "wait for groups io" and then 20 sec later a message that says: " group io maintenance: we apologize for the downtime and expect to be back shortly". This has happened several times. Any suggestions? What is the max size of a file to be uploaded?
Thanks
Fernando

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 12:15 PM, Steve Bass wrote:

(even though at the top left it says, "Showing 26 of 115 Members."

Question: Is it true that owners and moderator can see EVERY member's profile, but members can ONLY see Profiles set for "Other members of your group"?

Correct.? The 26 showing are those that have chosen to make their profile available.

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I'm still not understanding this...

As an owner, I can see everyone's profile. I added myself as a member and I can't see more than a page of members (even though at the top left it says, "Showing 26 of 115 Members."

Question: Is it true that owners and moderator can see EVERY member's profile, but members can ONLY see Profiles set for "Other members of your group"?


On Friday 11/8/2019, [Frances] said:
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Directory vs the Members List
There are two places with group member names:
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one that has all members (the Members List in the Admin area) and
the Directory. However, not all members are in the Directory - you can opt out.
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The Directory is an index of member profiles.
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A Subscriber's profile will be visible in the Directory only if:
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-- (s)he creates a Profile and chooses to share it (Subscription->Group Profile->Edit Group Profile->Profile Privacy*), and,
-- group settings under Privacy->Member Directory is set to Subscribers, OR
-- the person viewing the Directory has Owner/Moderator privileges.
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The content of a user's profile can be anything they choose to put in it. Group Owners and Moderators cannot edit user profiles.
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The Members List is an index of subscriptions.
Its visibility is set by Admin->Settings->Privacy->Members Visible.
Content is restricted by the system to designated fields (email address, display name, join date, mail delivery, etc) that are necessary to perform system functions.
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For privacy reasons, the members list will usually be visible only to Owners and Moderators, who can also "click through" each member record to send +owner messages, view activity, save notes about this subscription, or generally manage subscription settings.
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If you as an Owner want Subscribers to be able to "see" every other Subscriber in the group without forcing everyone to jump through the profile hoop, you must make the Members List visible. Doing so will not give Subscribers access to the underlying information, however -- only the "stuff" that appears in the main index (Display Name, Message Delivery, Email Address, and Join Date).
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*Account and group profiles may also be edited via Account->Identity

From the GMF wiki

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On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 10:52 AM, SP4149 wrote:

Perhaps the list type, Basic, Premium, Enterprise; should be listed on the Home Page

Something like this was suggested, discussed, and discarded a couple of years ago,

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On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 12:47 PM, Tom Field wrote:

We migrated successfully.

Tom -- Congratulations!

We did not have groups.io notify our Yahoo members of the new group.

We used MailChimp to notify our users.

A lot of that e-mail bounced as undeliverable. I don't recall any data in our Yahoo group flagging members' email addresses as undeliverable.

This is very common. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups#Y21group-after-the-transfer

MailChimp put us on "warning" that because of all the bad email addresses, it appears that we were violating their TOS by sending email to recipients who did not opt-in.

There is an opt-out link in the transfer completion notification (the one that you chose not to send).

Groups.io initial "Here's a new group" email to migrated subscribers must have the same problem with dead e-mail addresses.

How do they handle this??

GMF wiki entry:?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/dealing-with-bouncing
Detailed information in the system help:?/static/help#bouncing

Regards,
Bruce

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 11:47 AM, Tom Field wrote:

Groups.io initial "Here's a new group" email to migrated subscribers must have the same problem with dead e-mail addresses.

How do they handle this?

GIO has their own email server and bounce handling, so not a problem like trying to use an outside service.? The Yahoo bouncing status hasn't worked right in several years, so it's not unusual to "lose" a bunch of members right after a transfer.

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On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 12:59 PM, Diane wrote:

So if we are on “Restricted”, all migrated members will not need to make a post to get off moderation?

Yes.

Then we can turn off restricted after the migration is complete?

You can, but you'll have to turn on something else.

Bruce

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On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 05:48 PM, Rick Steeves wrote:

It might be an intentional design limitation, but it is a limitation.

I suspect that there are quite a lot of Groups.io Group Owners and Moderators who either do not share that view, or at least are perfectly happy to work within it.

It is more troublesome than Yahoo has been with its somewhat erratic performance, or even the fact that for most practical purposes it is now shutting down?

Chris

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 12:46 PM, Diane wrote:

You’d still have to approve each member as they asked to join wouldn’t you? So it’s still an approval step, which I think he is trying to avoid.

True. You have to either approve the subscriber, or his first message.?

Groups.io is very sensitive about its reputation as a spam-free zone. Others may feel differently, but I wouldn't want it any other way.

Bruce

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 11:46 AM, Diane wrote:

You’d still have to approve each member as they asked to join wouldn’t you?

Yes, you would for new members, but not those transferred.? The GIO policy is that you need an approval step somewhere in the new member queue.

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On 11/9/2019 12:13 PM, Duane wrote:

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 10:41 AM, Rick Steeves wrote:

Well, most importantly, I wish I'd realized that philosophy before I
migrated. Because that should be an option.

If you'd read the information when setting up the group to transfer into, you'd have read that you must have at least one choice in the Spam Control set.? It sounds to me like you chose Unmoderate After x Messages.? If you'd chosen Restricted instead, all members would be approved and not need a message approved.? There will never be an option for automatic approval without moderating any messages.

As I said, I wish I'd understood that overarching philosophy of groups.io before I migrated. Because that should be an option. I believe that philosophy is unique to groups.io. It's absolutely not a feature. It might be an intentional design limitation, but it is a limitation.

I don't believe, in the migration documents, it's clear that "Restricted" would specifically auto-approve everyone on the migration. It likely should be clarified in that context.

And, thank you, I had read everything on the information. I just hadn't realized the context of it being a limitation of the functionality of groups.io. That it has additional methods of managing moderation over other software? Great. It's nonsensical to me that, with the generally more complete functionality of groups.io, that's it's missing a feature of every other email list software.

Rick








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On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 04:52 PM, SP4149 wrote:

That list owner has been complaining that a new list I created has an image storage limit because I limit attachment size and image size while his list does not because most all their images are attachments to messages.?

Limiting attachment and image sizes is not the same as having a storage limit; reducing sizes simply means that you can get more individual items into the available space; his complaint sounds a bit like a complaint for the sake of complaining. It's your group and the settings are for you to determine.

Maybe he actually now has a Premium list and his image limit is now 10GB, but he hasn't admitted to that it isn't a Basic (Free) list.??

Pedant Mode: it's a storage limit rather than a image limit.

Have you actually asked him about the status of the group in question? If so has he declined to answer?

Applying the concept of Occam's Razor points towards it being a Premium Group rather than a weird malfunction of Groups.io, at least in the absence of any accurate knowledge of the type of group it is.

Chris

We migrated successfully.

We did not have groups.io notify our Yahoo members of the new group.

We used MailChimp to notify our users.

A lot of that e-mail bounced as undeliverable. I don't recall any data in our Yahoo group flagging members' email addresses as undeliverable.

MailChimp put us on "warning" that because of all the bad email addresses, it appears that we were violating their TOS by sending email to recipients who did not opt-in.

Groups.io initial "Here's a new group" email to migrated subscribers must have the same problem with dead e-mail addresses.

How do they handle this??

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We've been converting the PGOffline into a CSV file.? Then using the Excel import, use the pipe character on the key board as the separator.

Then, visually look thru the excel file for any and all hiccups to mend or tweak.? Once done, you now have a very searchable file, small in size and useful vs. a PDF that causes the read to be 1. confused, 2. scroll scroll scroll up/down and scroll scroll scroll left/right constantly.? PLUS, the PDF will NOT remove the awful weird characters should any or all HTML code is scrambled in there.? The excel can do a FIND/REPLACE each of the annoying HTML codes to either nothing or a simple 'space'.

The is my 3rd bounce.? Prodigy to GeoCities to Yahoo to Groups.io.? Will it ever end.? !?? Only if I get my own server setup and a forum based software, but that takes money, time and constant upkeep. Things I don't have much in life.?

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 11:22 AM, Steve Bass wrote:

Do you think it's possible for the moderators to add [mod] to your Display Name?

While it's possible, it's not really necessary.? I don't recall the last time a moderator posted as a moderator.? It's usually in reply to a question, same as anyone else could.? And all the names are listed in the reminder that gets posted/sent monthly if you really want to know.

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Do you think it's possible for the moderators to add [mod] to your Display Name?

There are lots of messages that come through [GMF] and it sure would make it easier to see messages coming from you folks.

As a newbie here, it would also make it easier to identify y'all.

Thanks for considering it.

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 10:41 AM, Rick Steeves wrote:

Well, most importantly, I wish I'd realized that philosophy before I migrated. Because that should be an option.

If you'd read the information when setting up the group to transfer into, you'd have read that you must have at least one choice in the Spam Control set.? It sounds to me like you chose Unmoderate After x Messages.? If you'd chosen Restricted instead, all members would be approved and not need a message approved.? There will never be an option for automatic approval without moderating any messages.

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