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I see exactly where you are coming from Bruce...? I won't be popular for my opinion, either.

I have received the YG download zip and have tried PGO for a group I am only a member of. BOTH ways give me access to the whole archive and include both messages and the entire email address for each. The member list and email addresses are hidden from me at the YG group.?Somewhere at some time, group owners (myself included) must have accepted that this might happen... subscribers must have agreed that their email addresses may not be private to group members, also. OR, perhaps YG is just stupid and will end up sued... who knows... I'm not gonna read the ToS to find out.

I have set my groups setting here to make sure that email addresses can not be harvested, but it looks like YG's settings are not so great.

The bigger threat, IMO, is PGO injecting messages (probably by emailing them en mass) into GIO without Mark's approval. I hope that he is monitoring this issue (or that those with his ear are) and making settings that will stop this from happening without his intervention to make sure he receives the proper compensation and that the database remains stable.

Hello.

I am hoping that someone will answer my question. ?I have tried four times to pay for premium for my one group. ?It declined my debit card 4 times. ?Would someone be able to answer to questions for me:

1. Do you have to pay before you create the group or does that matter?

2. Can someone provide me with a link to contact them to get a paypal link to pay?


Mendy

On 11/5/2019 5:43 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 05:20 PM, Bill Burns wrote:
However, Wilson Logan at PG Offline, which also has a Yahoo export
program ($25 one-time license cost), has a priority on providing a
way to get that archive into groups.io:

"All changes are queued behind:
"1) PGO to GIO transfer"
Bill -- This isn't going to make me very popular, but I for one hope this doesn't come to pass.
The existing transfer process at least involves some semblance of consent from someone in a position of authority in the originating group. If anyone with an email address and this software can subscribe?for a day and immediately clone a group here in groups.io, this raises issues both ethical and legal. In fact, it bears a strong resemblance to DVD or software pirating.
As someone fully vested in the future of this platform, I do not want to see groups.io?get embroiled in some sort of court battle regarding group/content ownership. To the casual observer, that may seem unlikely -- but it only has to happen once. And if it does, we will ALL be affected.
My $0.02,
Bruce

Bruce: That's a very good point, and on reflection I have to agree with you.

I have no idea how Wilson is planning to do his proposed transfer, as he obviously has no more access to GIO's internals than any of us do, unless he works out some kind of arrangement with Mark.

The only way I could see it working otherwise is for Wilson to add a routine to automatically re-mail all messages one by one from the PGO archive to a groups.io list, but that of course would not preserve the ownership of each email.

I guess Mark will have to deal with this issue when it arises.

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Bill

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 05:20 PM, Bill Burns wrote:

However, Wilson Logan at PG Offline, which also has a Yahoo export program ($25 one-time license cost), has a priority on providing a way to get that archive into groups.io:



"All changes are queued behind:

"1) PGO to GIO transfer"

Bill -- This isn't going to make me very popular, but I for one hope this doesn't come to pass.

The existing transfer process at least involves some semblance of consent from someone in a position of authority in the originating group. If anyone with an email address and this software can subscribe?for a day and immediately clone a group here in groups.io, this raises issues both ethical and legal. In fact, it bears a strong resemblance to DVD or software pirating.

As someone fully vested in the future of this platform, I do not want to see groups.io?get embroiled in some sort of court battle regarding group/content ownership. To the casual observer, that may seem unlikely -- but it only has to happen once. And if it does, we will ALL be affected.

My $0.02,
Bruce

On 11/5/2019 5:00 PM, Spica Speakers Group wrote:

I feel like my original intent may not have been well communicated. I am not trying to do this myself, or do it for free.
The question is can groups.io do it (for a fee) at some date in the future from the Export I received from Yahoo.

Groups.io may or may not offer this feature in the future.

However, Wilson Logan at PG Offline, which also has a Yahoo export program ($25 one-time license cost), has a priority on providing a way to get that archive into groups.io:



"All changes are queued behind:

"1) PGO to GIO transfer"

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Bill

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 04:58 PM, Spica Speakers Group wrote:

I just tried to make an existing member a moderator and can find no way to do that. So it appears that I am dead in the water.

That's unfortunate, but let's be totally honest...if you're neither the Owner nor have his cooperation, then this Yahoo group is simply not yours to transfer.?

There is nothing keeping you from creating a parallel group and inviting people over, or even uploading the content. You just won't be able to use the Easy Group Transfer process to do it.

Regards,
Bruce

I feel like my original intent may not have been well communicated. I am not trying to do this myself, or do it for free.

The question is can groups.io do it (for a fee) at some date in the future from the Export I received from Yahoo.

Basic overview with links to more information -?
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/FAQ-on-Moving-from-Yahoo-Groups

Detailed Instructions on how to transfer from Yahoo Groups

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FAQ on Moving from YahooGroups
GMF Wiki: (unofficial) Help for members (and would-be members) and group managers

I just tried to make an existing member a moderator and can find no way to do that. So it appears that I am dead in the water.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 04:46 PM, <silvercreekmsptsa@...> wrote:

My Yahoo group won't let me invite people! How am I sending this invite?

Lisa -- You need to find someone else who can. Have you tried sending a message to the group's owner address?

How do I get past this step in the group transfer? Yes, I paid for the premium.

The transfer agent cannot "break into" Yahoo Groups and steal group content. Someone on that end has to not only invite it to the group, but also make it a Moderator, so the data can be read. All of this is clearly stated in Steps 3-5 of the instructions.

If you can't find someone to perform these steps for you, you need to contact [email protected],?ask for a refund, and proceed to transfer your group manually as best you can.

Details on the latter can be found in the Transfer FAQ at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/FAQ-on-Moving-from-Yahoo-Groups, item #10.

Regards,
Bruce?

You need to be an owner of the Yahoo Group or be a moderator with permissions.

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/22501

Frances
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FAQ on Moving from YahooGroups
GMF Wiki: (unofficial) Help for members (and would-be members) and group managers

I'm stuck here: "Make sure you have sent an invite to your group for the user [email protected].? Send the invite from WHAT? My Yahoo group won't let me invite people! How am I sending this invite? How do I get past this step in the group transfer? Yes, I paid for the premium. Any help is greatly appreciated.

From the Group Transfer Page:?


HELP.?
Lisa

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 06:10 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

You are probably logged in using the wrong email address

Dina; in the absence of others commenting it is definitely worth putting Bruce's point to the test.

Go to the Groups.io web UI, and if you find yourself still logged in, then log out.
Now log in again with your original email address. Assuming that this allows you to log in see if your group looks as it ought to now.

Then log out again and attempt to log in using your new email address. If the log in works go and see if your group is present but without your having Owner rights.

If you have not set up passwords you will have to rely on Groups.io sending you a log - in link by email so you must be able to receive emails on both of your addresses in turn.

Please report back with what you find.

Chris

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 04:09 PM, Spica Speakers Group wrote:

I am moderator of a dying Yahoo group. I would like to poll my Yahoo members and see if they want to continue the group and fund the transfer effort.

Can you invite other members? Can you promote others to Moderator? If you're only a Moderator yourself, you probably can't use the Easy Group Transfer method anyway.

I know this will take additional time and so I wanted to ask:

Since I have successfully exported and downloaded my Yahoo group, can you import from my downloaded file...

No.

...or do you need to make a direct connection as outlined in the FAQ?

You probably can't do that, either.?

If you don't have the "Add, remove, and change moderator privileges" permission in the Yahoo group, you need to find someone who does. Otherwise, you should plan to upload all of the content to the new group manually, using the info found in Item #10 of the FAQ.

Bruce

I am moderator of a dying Yahoo group. I would like to poll my Yahoo members and see if they want to continue the group and fund the transfer effort.

I know this will take additional time and so I wanted to ask:

Since I have successfully exported and downloaded my Yahoo group, can you import from my downloaded file or do you need to make a direct connection as outlined in the FAQ?

Bruce,

I appreciate the link. I'll check out the analyzer results as this may be a Yahoo Mail issue - that's what I used to sign up the test user account with.

Thanks!

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 02:29 PM, Susan Pitlock wrote:

I have it set to delete old attachments so when I reach 1GB, it will delete old photos or do I need to go thru and delete old pictures myself?

Only attachments.? The site will never touch photos or files.

Duane
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Gerald,

?Many thanks for your swift and good response.

Regards
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Peter

OK I have it set to delete old attachments so when I reach 1GB, it will delete old photos or do I need to go thru and delete old pictures myself??

Thanks!

Susan

Understood! ?Good, precise, and clear!