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Re: Member removed for sending spam only not
Shal,
You said:? As I said, some email services provide a means to have group messages bypass the spam filter. In Gmail, for example, one can create a filter to do that. For those that don't the "fix" takes longer: you have to consistently mark group messages as "not spam" when they land in the spam folder. Yup.? You said that, alright? :-) .? But, my list members are not nearly savvy enough to figure out how to create a spam filter.? I'm lucky if they can figure out how to create a password.? And, I've mentioned, that before :-)? My list member population is just not very computer savvy, even though that acknowledgement has made some of these forum members upset, it is what it is for us on our particular list, in our particular world.? So, not an option for my membership.? You said:? I have a feeling we've had this conversation before. Yup, we have. Here, as well as on the Beta list.? Still not happy with this unsub feature.? Still hoping I can drum up support for having Mark adjust this, so list members aren't unsubbed, then notified via an auto email that will either not get to them at all, or go to their Spam/Junk folder.? I don't get that logic.? To me, that's sort of worthless?? Am I missing something? You said:? f Mark were to ignore the feedback from these services (the ones on our list) then eventually Groups.io could become unusable for people with those services - all of its messages might end up rejected or sent to Spam. Understandable, and not what I'm disputing (Bruce, also responding to your comment as well).? Not saying Mark should ignore the feedback at all, it's important he doesn't, of course.? What I DON'T want to happen, is for list members to just be unsubbed.? I propose there is some other, better way to manage this.? You said:? It is a little ambiguous, but in that topic where you posted there's some indication that progress may be being made toward the goal: one group owner in "removed for spam" events. We have also seen a reduction from the beginning of moving over to groups.io, but, we are now at sort of a stalemate.? I think there was much more unsubbing activity for my groups right after the transfer, due to inactive list members not understanding what was going on, seeing messages from a site they were unfamiliar with, and simply marking them as spam.? Or, for inactive list members who didn't want to receive messages, and marking them as spam.? We sort of had a flurry of that activity right after our list transfers, which has now slowed down to about 1 per day.? Or 1 every other day.? And, maybe ISP's are "learning" groups.io should remain whitelisted, despite what folks might be inadvertently sending to their ISPs.? That's great.? But, the unsub issue is still cumbersome and time consuming for list mods to deal with.? Just a pain to have to email these list members privately, so they'll actually find out they've been unsubbed.? Many wouldn't figure that out for days, maybe longer, if they're on No Mail, and try to go to the list to view messages, only to find out they're no longer a list member, and that link provided in the auto restore email has expired.? Ugh.? But, promise I'll quit kvetching about this.? I love groups.io overall, just not in love with how Mark is managing the handling of spam issues.? I think there could be a better way to handle this without unsubbing list members, all I'm saying. -- Patty S. |
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Re: Move latest/individual messages from Yahoo to groups.io?
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On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 03:35 PM, Motti Tadmor wrote:
Is there a way to transfer only missing topics since the first transfer, or move individual topics from yahoo?No.? Put your Yahoo group on Moderation, reject the messages, and explain to anyone who posts there that the groups has moved and they need to send their posts to the new group. After a few cycles of this your members will get the idea. Hope this helps, Bruce ? -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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Re: Member removed for sending spam only not
Duane, then, instead of unsubbing list members, why not suspend them, so mods can restore them?? I haven't had any issues on Yahoo Groups with spammers getting into my lists, and that's because I always set for restricted memberships, and required a Comment to be included with the membership request.? If the respective list member either didn't send a comment, or sent something odd/general/nonsensical, then were denied membership with a reason.? And, offered to resubmit with a list-specific comment, the version of their software/model of their embroidery machine, etc.? Spammers just wouldn't bother replying - too much work for them.? Worked well for us, rarely needed to ever deal with that.? But with this set up, I'm getting list members automatically unsubbed almost daily.? We list mods then need to send out a separate email, from our own email accounts, telling the list member what happened and why, and where to find the auto restore email (if it came to them at all - could have easily been screened out at the front end, by their ISP's front end spam filters).?
I just don't think this is a very effective tool for those that run restricted membership lists.? It creates more work than the results.? I get it for lists that do not have restricted memberships, or, for lists that allow non-members to post - you are are much higher risk for spammers to hit your lists.? But, that's exactly why I run all my lists with restricted memberships.? We did a very good job screening out spammers, had virtually none.? Just an awful lot of extra work, and my list members often do not understand what happened, and several have been very upset, jumping to conclusions, and think we've banned them from the list :-(?? Gotta be a better way of managing this??
Patty Sliney
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Re: member was unsubbed
Shal thanks. I never saw that resume link you mentioned. Where is that? Where is direct add? I do have that checked to delete old attachments when it gets close to the memory limit.
My problem is so many things go in this email photo folder and duplicates.? It picks up so many things as images that should not be picked up. For example a member puts these two orange dots by her name. Every time she writes a letter it is picked up as images. Thanks Anita? |
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Re: Displaying full e-mail address in messages
Go to Admin > Settings, scroll down to the Privacy section, in the Hide Email Addresses In Archives drop down, select "Do not mask email addresses in the archives."? If you have a group with public archives, I wouldn't do that because anyone on the internet can see it.? If you have private archives, it may not be a problem.
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Re: Question About Advertising
Jim, Perhaps more significantly, when I tried to go to the second of the stated 16 Um, no. That was 16 results, not 16 pages of them. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Member removed for sending spam only not
Patty,
As I said, some
email services provide a means to have group messages bypass the spam
filter. In Gmail, for example, one can create a filter to do that. For those that don't the "fix" takes longer: you have to consistently mark group messages as "not spam" when they land in the spam folder.
I have a feeling we've had this conversation before.
The goal is that no Groups.io messages end up in members' Spam folders. If Mark were to ignore the feedback from these services (the ones on our list) then eventually Groups.io could become unusable for people with those services - all of its messages might end up rejected or sent to Spam. It is a little ambiguous, but in that topic where you posted there's some indication that progress may be being made toward the goal: one group owner in "removed for spam" events. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Member removed for sending spam only not
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 01:36 PM, Patty Sliney wrote:
At the least, I would like this feature to be optional, for list mods/owners to be able to turn on/off for their respective lists.I seriously doubt that will ever happen.? The FBL mechanism has to be used with all email providers or some of them will end up blocking the site for all of their users, creating even more problems for Mark and the site.? The entry for /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam has a very good explanation of this. Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Re: Member removed for sending spam only not
And this is one of the reasons why I do not like this feature :-(? Also, if the person's ISP is filtering out groups.io messages on their front-end ISP spam filters, the list member has no ability to fix this (short of emailing their ISP), nor would they receive the auto restore email sent out.? Not fan of the feature.? At the least, I would like this feature to be optional, for list mods/owners to be able to turn on/off for their respective lists.? It is forcing me for my lists, to have to turn on an addt'l notice (more emails to my Inbox), so I'm notified of all list members leaving or joining (I can't just turn this one type of "leave" notice on), and, also having to send out an email to all auto un-subbed list members from my own email address, letting them know they've been auto-unsubbed, and how to either restore their membership, or re-subscribe.? A lot more work for a feature whose benefits to me, seem not worth the extra effort.? Truly, probably my only complaint I have about groups.io.? And yes, I have posted on the Beta forum about this.?
Patty Sliney
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