On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:10?AM, Louis Bertrand via groups.io <louis@...> wrote:

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Hello Larry,

That sounds interesting. Are you willing/able to share the eBay link? Or maybe later when you receive it, post some pictures. I know you can't attach pictures here, so they would need to be posted elsewhere with a link.

Best,

?--Louis

Louis Bertrand

louis@...

On Monday, April 7th, 2025 at 10:50 AM, Larry Arnold via groups.io <lba657@...> wrote:

I have not written anything to this list in a very long time, as I have taken a long break from flute playing however now I am back with a revived interest.

I started out as a self taught simple system player and have always had a soft spot for these instruments

I was recently at a concert of Bach's St Matthew Passion, where there were four baroque flutes in evidence. Just wow!

Anyway why I am writing is that I have just won a flute on ebay which looks to be interesting as it is not just a simple system flute, but a simple system flute with closed holes made by Adler which is something I have never seen before.? Just how common was this in the first half of the twentieth century from which this flute originates

Larry Arnold

I have not written anything to this list in a very long time, as I have taken a long break from flute playing however now I am back with a revived interest.

I started out as a self taught simple system player and have always had a soft spot for these instruments

I was recently at a concert of Bach's St Matthew Passion, where there were four baroque flutes in evidence. Just wow!

Anyway why I am writing is that I have just won a flute on ebay which looks to be interesting as it is not just a simple system flute, but a simple system flute with closed holes made by Adler which is something I have never seen before.? Just how common was this in the first half of the twentieth century from which this flute originates

Larry Arnold

I have not written anything to this list in a very long time, as I have taken a long break from flute playing however now I am back with a revived interest.

I started out as a self taught simple system player and have always had a soft spot for these instruments

I was recently at a concert of Bach's St Matthew Passion, where there were four baroque flutes in evidence. Just wow!

Anyway why I am writing is that I have just won a flute on ebay which looks to be interesting as it is not just a simple system flute, but a simple system flute with closed holes made by Adler which is something I have never seen before.? Just how common was this in the first half of the twentieth century from which this flute originates

Larry Arnold

On Apr 6, 2025, at 12:42?PM, david harris via groups.io <dgharris@...> wrote:

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I have some similar problems developing. What I have done, which is similar to Marcel Moyse's "solution," is to shift the keys a bit. I do this with a pad on the key, which I locate to fit where my fingers fall. Also, this raises the key so that I don't contact nearby keys when I play. I use an insulation tape, Perma-Wrap by Nu-Calgon, which has a very strong adhesive on the back. If I have to shift the key very far, then the foam pad is unstable and bendy. To address this, I cut and glue on top of the pad (PVA glue) an aluminum disk shaped to address my problem. I may also put a thin foam pad on top of this (such as the material I mention above, but sliced thinner). I also have noticed that as I get older the skin on my fingers gets thinner, and sometimes it hurts to hold/play the flute, particularly my left index finger and right thumb. Putting this same tape wherever a hurting fingers lies on the flute gets rid of this pain as well, and gives me a better, less slippery, surface for holding the flute.

These are removable modifications, and the worst I've had to do is dissolve a bit of the adhesive with lighter fluid after removing the pads. This does not discolor my sterling silver flutes or my gold flutes (14k Haynes and 9k Arumite Powell).?

Right now on Ebay is a Couesnon flute that is modified as for Marcel Moyse (the listing states that it is "the" flute) that you can take a look at, or purchase (no, I have nothing to do with this listing, I just saw it when I Googled for such a flute).

Dave

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(versi¨®n en espa?ol al final)

Good morning to all

This group seems to be a bit stalled, let's see if there are still flute players listening.

I am an amateur musician from Spain (original message in Spanish at the end). Let's see if you can help me or give me some ideas.

I have been having problems in my hands for a year now, pain in my fingers and wrists. I have been diagnosed with osteoarthritis in my fingers, which has been getting worse and causes me problems and pain for many things, also when playing the flute.

The finger that is worse is the left index finger, the knuckle joint. Also the right index finger bothers me and the middle finger, but more at the level of the metacarpal joint, although the knuckle also bothers me.

Bending the left index finger at a right angle to press the key is painful and makes my fingering difficult. I have tried to alleviate this by moving my finger away from the key, so that I don't have to bend it so much, using one of those silicone thumb rests. With this, my index finger at metacarpal level rests on the silicone insert and I don't have to bend it so much. I have also used the thumb insert for the right hand.

But this affects the locking of the keys, I don't press the D and E keys with my right hand properly and sometimes it sounds dull or wrong, as if they don't lock properly. In the left hand, I manage to press the B key better, but I end up pressing too much on the index finger and it hurts my metatarsal joint quite a lot.

Thanks in advance for any advice or idea. Regards Fernando

Buenos d¨ªas a todos

Este grupo parece estar un poco parado, vamos a ver si todav¨ªa hay flautistas a la escucha.

Soy un m¨²sico aficionado de Espa?a (mensaje original en espa?ol al final). A ver si me pod¨¦is ayudar o proporcionar algunas ideas.

Llevo un a?o con problemas en las manos, dolores de dedos y mu?ecas. Me han diagnosticado artrosis en los dedos, que ha ido a peor y me provoca problemas y dolores para muchas cosas, tambi¨¦n al tocar la flauta.

El dedo que est¨¢ peor es el ¨ªndice izquierdo, la articulaci¨®n de nudillo. Tambi¨¦n el ¨ªndice derecho me molesta y el coraz¨®n, pero m¨¢s bien a la altura de la articulaci¨®n del metacarpo, si bien tambi¨¦n el nudillo me molesta.

El doblar el ¨ªndice izdo en ¨¢ngulo recto para presionar la llave me resulta doloroso y ello dificulta mi digitaci¨®n. He tratado de paliarlo alejando el dedo de la llave, de forma que no tenga que doblarlo tanto, usando un suplemento de esos de silicona de sujeaci¨®n del pulgar. Con ello mi dedo ¨ªndice a la altura del metacarpo se apoya en el suplemento de silicona y no tengo que doblarlo tanto. Tambi¨¦n he usado el suplemento del pulgar para la mano derecha.

Pero ello afecta al cierre de las llaves, no presiono las llaves del re y mi con la mano derecha de forma adecuada y a veces suena sordo o mal, como si no cerraran bien. En la mano izda, consigo mejor presionar la llave de si, pero acabo presionando demasiado sobre el dedo ¨ªndice y me duele bastante la articulaci¨®n del metatarso.

As¨ª que he tenido que quitar esos suplementos.

Ahora he puesto un suplemento usando cinta de doble cara sobre la llave de s¨ª, de forma que pueda cerrar la llave sin tener que doblar tanto el dedo.

Parece que me va mejor, pero es un tanto chapucero y la cinta resulta pegajosa y demasiado blanda.

No s¨¦ si existe alguna soluci¨®n m¨¢s profesional en silicona o similar que se pueda colocar sobre la llave.

?Alquien ha tenido problemas similares? ?Qu¨¦ soluci¨®n hab¨¦is encontrado?

Soy m¨²sico aficionado, he empezado de mayor, no toco tantas horas al d¨ªa como para tener estos problemas, no acabo de entender que me ocurra esto en un plazo tan corto de tiempo.

Gracias anticipadas por cualquier consejo o idea. Saludos Fernando

On Apr 5, 2025, at 4:24?PM, Shari in Oregon via groups.io <shari.adams@...> wrote:

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I just Googled ¡°adaptations for flute arthritis¡± and found several videos bu people who jave addressed this for their playing.

On Apr 5, 2025, at 10:40?AM, Nancy Niemi via groups.io <nancyjniemi@...> wrote:

?Hi Fernando, I am also an amateur flutist, struggling with arthritis in my hands. I am writing just to add some support, I really have no solutions, sadly. I have one crooked finger in each hand, the middle one in each. This finger, especially the right one, has to do a special little maneuver to hit the keys correctly. I have asked a physical therapist about this, and, short of surgery, she had nothing to offer. I do have plugs in my keys which helps! I wish you luck and solutions, which I hope you will share with us ?

My best,

Nancy?

On Apr 5, 2025, at 6:37?AM, Fernando Ariznavarreta via groups.io <fernando@...> wrote:

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(versi¨®n en espa?ol al final)

Good morning to all

This group seems to be a bit stalled, let's see if there are still flute players listening.

I am an amateur musician from Spain (original message in Spanish at the end). Let's see if you can help me or give me some ideas.

I have been having problems in my hands for a year now, pain in my fingers and wrists. I have been diagnosed with osteoarthritis in my fingers, which has been getting worse and causes me problems and pain for many things, also when playing the flute.

The finger that is worse is the left index finger, the knuckle joint. Also the right index finger bothers me and the middle finger, but more at the level of the metacarpal joint, although the knuckle also bothers me.

Bending the left index finger at a right angle to press the key is painful and makes my fingering difficult. I have tried to alleviate this by moving my finger away from the key, so that I don't have to bend it so much, using one of those silicone thumb rests. With this, my index finger at metacarpal level rests on the silicone insert and I don't have to bend it so much. I have also used the thumb insert for the right hand.

But this affects the locking of the keys, I don't press the D and E keys with my right hand properly and sometimes it sounds dull or wrong, as if they don't lock properly. In the left hand, I manage to press the B key better, but I end up pressing too much on the index finger and it hurts my metatarsal joint quite a lot.

Thanks in advance for any advice or idea. Regards Fernando

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Buenos d¨ªas a todos

Este grupo parece estar un poco parado, vamos a ver si todav¨ªa hay flautistas a la escucha.

Soy un m¨²sico aficionado de Espa?a (mensaje original en espa?ol al final). A ver si me pod¨¦is ayudar o proporcionar algunas ideas.

Llevo un a?o con problemas en las manos, dolores de dedos y mu?ecas. Me han diagnosticado artrosis en los dedos, que ha ido a peor y me provoca problemas y dolores para muchas cosas, tambi¨¦n al tocar la flauta.

El dedo que est¨¢ peor es el ¨ªndice izquierdo, la articulaci¨®n de nudillo. Tambi¨¦n el ¨ªndice derecho me molesta y el coraz¨®n, pero m¨¢s bien a la altura de la articulaci¨®n del metacarpo, si bien tambi¨¦n el nudillo me molesta.

El doblar el ¨ªndice izdo en ¨¢ngulo recto para presionar la llave me resulta doloroso y ello dificulta mi digitaci¨®n. He tratado de paliarlo alejando el dedo de la llave, de forma que no tenga que doblarlo tanto, usando un suplemento de esos de silicona de sujeaci¨®n del pulgar. Con ello mi dedo ¨ªndice a la altura del metacarpo se apoya en el suplemento de silicona y no tengo que doblarlo tanto. Tambi¨¦n he usado el suplemento del pulgar para la mano derecha.

Pero ello afecta al cierre de las llaves, no presiono las llaves del re y mi con la mano derecha de forma adecuada y a veces suena sordo o mal, como si no cerraran bien. En la mano izda, consigo mejor presionar la llave de si, pero acabo presionando demasiado sobre el dedo ¨ªndice y me duele bastante la articulaci¨®n del metatarso.

As¨ª que he tenido que quitar esos suplementos.

Ahora he puesto un suplemento usando cinta de doble cara sobre la llave de s¨ª, de forma que pueda cerrar la llave sin tener que doblar tanto el dedo.

Parece que me va mejor, pero es un tanto chapucero y la cinta resulta pegajosa y demasiado blanda.

No s¨¦ si existe alguna soluci¨®n m¨¢s profesional en silicona o similar que se pueda colocar sobre la llave.

?Alquien ha tenido problemas similares? ?Qu¨¦ soluci¨®n hab¨¦is encontrado?

Soy m¨²sico aficionado, he empezado de mayor, no toco tantas horas al d¨ªa como para tener estos problemas, no acabo de entender que me ocurra esto en un plazo tan corto de tiempo.

Gracias anticipadas por cualquier consejo o idea. Saludos Fernando

On Apr 5, 2025, at 6:37?AM, Fernando Ariznavarreta via groups.io <fernando@...> wrote:

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(versi¨®n en espa?ol al final)

Good morning to all

This group seems to be a bit stalled, let's see if there are still flute players listening.

I am an amateur musician from Spain (original message in Spanish at the end). Let's see if you can help me or give me some ideas.

I have been having problems in my hands for a year now, pain in my fingers and wrists. I have been diagnosed with osteoarthritis in my fingers, which has been getting worse and causes me problems and pain for many things, also when playing the flute.

The finger that is worse is the left index finger, the knuckle joint. Also the right index finger bothers me and the middle finger, but more at the level of the metacarpal joint, although the knuckle also bothers me.

Bending the left index finger at a right angle to press the key is painful and makes my fingering difficult. I have tried to alleviate this by moving my finger away from the key, so that I don't have to bend it so much, using one of those silicone thumb rests. With this, my index finger at metacarpal level rests on the silicone insert and I don't have to bend it so much. I have also used the thumb insert for the right hand.

But this affects the locking of the keys, I don't press the D and E keys with my right hand properly and sometimes it sounds dull or wrong, as if they don't lock properly. In the left hand, I manage to press the B key better, but I end up pressing too much on the index finger and it hurts my metatarsal joint quite a lot.

Thanks in advance for any advice or idea. Regards Fernando

---

Buenos d¨ªas a todos

Este grupo parece estar un poco parado, vamos a ver si todav¨ªa hay flautistas a la escucha.

Soy un m¨²sico aficionado de Espa?a (mensaje original en espa?ol al final). A ver si me pod¨¦is ayudar o proporcionar algunas ideas.

Llevo un a?o con problemas en las manos, dolores de dedos y mu?ecas. Me han diagnosticado artrosis en los dedos, que ha ido a peor y me provoca problemas y dolores para muchas cosas, tambi¨¦n al tocar la flauta.

El dedo que est¨¢ peor es el ¨ªndice izquierdo, la articulaci¨®n de nudillo. Tambi¨¦n el ¨ªndice derecho me molesta y el coraz¨®n, pero m¨¢s bien a la altura de la articulaci¨®n del metacarpo, si bien tambi¨¦n el nudillo me molesta.

El doblar el ¨ªndice izdo en ¨¢ngulo recto para presionar la llave me resulta doloroso y ello dificulta mi digitaci¨®n. He tratado de paliarlo alejando el dedo de la llave, de forma que no tenga que doblarlo tanto, usando un suplemento de esos de silicona de sujeaci¨®n del pulgar. Con ello mi dedo ¨ªndice a la altura del metacarpo se apoya en el suplemento de silicona y no tengo que doblarlo tanto. Tambi¨¦n he usado el suplemento del pulgar para la mano derecha.

Pero ello afecta al cierre de las llaves, no presiono las llaves del re y mi con la mano derecha de forma adecuada y a veces suena sordo o mal, como si no cerraran bien. En la mano izda, consigo mejor presionar la llave de si, pero acabo presionando demasiado sobre el dedo ¨ªndice y me duele bastante la articulaci¨®n del metatarso.

As¨ª que he tenido que quitar esos suplementos.

Ahora he puesto un suplemento usando cinta de doble cara sobre la llave de s¨ª, de forma que pueda cerrar la llave sin tener que doblar tanto el dedo.

Parece que me va mejor, pero es un tanto chapucero y la cinta resulta pegajosa y demasiado blanda.

No s¨¦ si existe alguna soluci¨®n m¨¢s profesional en silicona o similar que se pueda colocar sobre la llave.

?Alquien ha tenido problemas similares? ?Qu¨¦ soluci¨®n hab¨¦is encontrado?

Soy m¨²sico aficionado, he empezado de mayor, no toco tantas horas al d¨ªa como para tener estos problemas, no acabo de entender que me ocurra esto en un plazo tan corto de tiempo.

Gracias anticipadas por cualquier consejo o idea. Saludos Fernando

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Yes. I did take the time off to practice. I've also been doing some other things, such as live streaming on YouTube, and I even demonstrated both of my flutes. I am sorry to hear that your antique Flute will not be restored. Or cannot be restored. I did write a little bit in some stories that I am working on with a friend, but otherwise, I just took it easy. I did play a little bit of flute on Sunday. I don't have any recordings from Sunday to show you though. Sorry about that.

?Hi Amanda,
Hi everyone,
Wow, it's quiet around here. Is everyone on vacation?
Sorry to hear about your forced time off. It's good that your employer kept the paycheques coming. Hey, did you use the time to practice? (Wink!)
Me, I'm going to stay away from the flute for a few months because of shoulder surgery to repair the damage from a fall. I can't keep my right arm up to play. It's going to drive me nuts.
All the best,
--Louis

Louis Bertrand
louis@...


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On 8/24/24 8:51 AM, Amanda Shevitski <amanda.shevitski@...> wrote:

Just checking in with all my fellow flute players. Things are going well. For about three weeks, my workplace was closed because of a fire. The good news is, we are back in operation, and I start back work tonight. Thank goodness. I was going stir crazy getting no jobs done. Luckily though, I got paid time off which is good.

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