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Hi! I am 36 and in chemo for breast cancer and very scared going
forward. I can embrace much of what I have read about Dr. Budwig's
protocol except I am scared to eat dairy products. I have been good
about the flax oil, but I have always been good about getting good
oils and having a reasonably good organic vegetable rich diet.

I was diagnosed while nursing my son and had nodal involvement. As
the chemo draws to an end (thank goodness) I am realizing I don't
want to do radiation or have a bilateral mastectomy. I want to beat
this and be extremely agressive, I just don't want to be messed with
anymore surgeons and machines.

so anyhow -since i was nursing when diagnosed too, i have
really developed a fear of milk and dairy products, which, organic
or not are ruined in processing and full of cow hormones.

I REALLY REALLY want to be oxygenated. are there substitutes for the
cottage cheese? Is the flaxseed oil in he fridge section at Whole
Foods adequate?

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

vanessa

Hi! I am 36 and in chemo for breast cancer and very scared going forward. I can embrace much of what I have read about Dr. Budwig's protocol except I am scared to eat dairy products.

Hi Vanessa,
dairy is part of the Budwig Protocol. It looks to me that you want to do the Budwig Protocol. In that case please read our files to find out more about it. Pay special attention to the ground flaxseeds (Linomel) that are part of this protocol. They have special significance in breast cancer cases.

I have been good about the flax oil, but I have always been good about getting good oils and having a reasonably good organic vegetable rich diet.

Taking flax oil by itself (without it being mixed with cottage cheese) is not the answer. It can work against you. Dr. Budwig said so.

I was diagnosed while nursing my son and had nodal involvement. As the chemo draws to an end (thank goodness) I am realizing I don't want to do radiation or have a bilateral mastectomy.
I want to beat this and be extremely agressive, I just don't want to be messed with anymore surgeons and machines.

That is perfectly understandable. What I cannot understand is that you were less concerned about taking chemo into your body than you are about eating dairy. The only explanation that I can up with is that you are/were uninformed in both instances.

so anyhow -since i was nursing when diagnosed too, i have really developed a fear of milk and dairy products, which, organic or not are ruined in processing and full of cow hormones.

IMO, the value of the fo/cc mixture far outweighs any negative effects of dairy. It sounds as though you have been listening too much to the no-dairy lobbyists.
If you want to do the Budwig Protocol, get the best cottage cheese or quark you can, or make your own. Get organic dairy if you can, and then stop worrying about it. Worry it is bad for you.

I REALLY REALLY want to be oxygenated. are there substitutes for the cottage cheese?

No, you need to get over your no-dairy fears.

Is the flaxseed oil in he fridge section at Whole Foods adequate?

No, it needs to be mixed with dairy as it says in our files.

Best wishes for better health to you,

Wilhelm

In a message dated 4/27/05 6:41:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wilhelmh@... writes:

Hi! I am 36 and in chemo for breast cancer and very scared going forward.

I can embrace much of what I have read about Dr. Budwig's protocol except I
am scared to eat dairy products.

Hi Vanessa,
dairy is part of the Budwig Protocol. It looks to me that you want to do the
Budwig Protocol. In that case please read our files to find out more about
it. Pay special attention to the ground flaxseeds (Linomel) that are part of
this protocol. They have special significance in breast cancer cases.

thank you, i ordered both of dr. budwig's books and am looking forward to
perusing them. i have found her in much secondary source material, but prefer to
go to the source in this case.

I have been good about the flax oil, but I have always been good about

getting good oils and having a reasonably good organic vegetable rich diet.

Taking flax oil by itself (without it being mixed with cottage cheese) is
not the answer. It can work against you. Dr. Budwig said so.

so i have heard. now is this also applicable to my healthy family? i use flax
oil in dresings, on cooked veggies, etc.

I was diagnosed while nursing my son and had nodal involvement. As the

chemo draws to an end (thank goodness) I am realizing I don't want to do
radiation or have a bilateral mastectomy.

I want to beat this and be extremely agressive, I just don't want to be

messed with anymore surgeons and machines.

That is perfectly understandable. What I cannot understand is that you were
less concerned about taking chemo into your body than you are about eating
dairy. The only explanation that I can up with is that you are/were uninformed
in both instances.

you're wrong on this one. i am very informed aobut chemo. I was honestly so
insulted by this that the whole time i was laying down with my son getting himt
o sleep last night (takes a while since he was used to nursing to sleep
before this happened) that I was turning this comment over and over in my head.
even if i were as uniformed as you have assumed i am, there is no justification
to belittle me. two months of research into it I decided to go with chemo, as
i was dealing with a highly agressive malignant tumor with vascular and
lymphatic involvement in a nursing breast. the stats on my long term survival are
awful. I am more chemical shy than anyone i know, yet i got cancer.
fortunately, as a phd in rhetoric, i was able to apply myself to the studies, read
international studies, adn try to determine if there was anythign besides
pharmacuitical company rhetoric involved. all i came up with based ont eh data was
"maybe" it will help. but that's enough for me in this case and that decision
desrves respect.

so anyhow -since i was nursing when diagnosed too, i have really developed

a fear of milk and dairy products, which, organic or not are ruined in
processing and full of cow hormones.

IMO, the value of the fo/cc mixture far outweighs any negative effects of
dairy. It sounds as though you have been listening too much to the no-dairy
lobbyists.
If you want to do the Budwig Protocol, get the best cottage cheese or quark
you can, or make your own. Get organic dairy if you can, and then stop
worrying about it. Worry it is bad for you.

i wish i could stop worrying. as you can see, it isn't likely. i am pursuing
yoga and meditation to try to help. as for being influenced by lobbyists.
you've got the wrong girl. i have, for example, avoided the pull of the dairy
lobby :)

I REALLY REALLY want to be oxygenated. are there substitutes for the

cottage cheese?

i read that there were other sulfur/proteins that could be substituted
soemwehre. i think my fears are very well based. perhaps i will decide to proceed
in spite of them, but getting over them is not an option for me.

No, you need to get over your no-dairy fears.

Is the flaxseed oil in he fridge section at Whole Foods adequate?

No, it needs to be mixed with dairy as it says in our files.

but that type of flaxseed oil is fine as a part of the protocol?

Best wishes for better health to you,

Wilhelm

thanks, Wilhelm. if you can, please try to be nicer. just becasue i'm a
young mom with cancer whyo types in a big hurry doesn't mean i deserve to be
belittled. your beef with the anti-[dairy lobby is certainly understandable. but i
am not a part of it. i'm just trying to stay alive and see my kids grow up.
and i'm very sensitive. trying to take care of kids and get through chemo is
difficult at best. be nice!

thanks,

vanessa

In a message dated 4/28/2005 7:30:10 AM Pacific Standard Time,
BocaTrader@... writes:

<<but that type of flaxseed oil is fine as a part of the protocol?

Vanessa:

Barlean's is a great flaxseed oil, and can be ordered directly from the
company and shipped to you fresh. The also sell to distributors.

If you order from Barlean's, and tell them you are a cancer patient, they
will give you a discount.

I have also heard that Spectrum is a good brand.

Where are you in your journey with breast cancer? I am also a BC patient,
diagnosed with primary BC in Jan. 02, and with mets to liver and bones in Feb
04. I have done the chemo road also, and am now looking into healing my body
the alternative route.

Esther

vanessa wrote to Wilhelm:

be nice!

I wish you all the best, Vanessa, and personally i think one of your major
issues to address is your (understandable) overwhelming fear by
educating/training your mind in calmness and peace and focusing on love.
Fear can add insult to injury.

One note: i think/hope one day you will realize just how very nice it is of
Wilhelm to be here at all, pouring months of unpaid work into this
altruistic venture trying to help others who are desperate.

Ulla

Vanessa,

I appreciate very much that you felt and feel pressured because of
actively growing cancer. I am very thankful that the cancer that has
come back in my neck is slow-growing, and is not interfering with any
of my bodily processes, giving me the "luxury" of not having to rush
into any particular treatment.

I regret that you think Wilhelm was not being nice or was belittling
you. I did not read that in his message at all. I have always found
him to be kind and polite. In any event, I am certain he had no
intention of being unkind or insulting, and I think his question
about your seeming to worry more about cottage cheese than about
chemotherapy was logical, reasonable and stated without any
unkindness of rudeness. He simply said he thought maybe you were
misinformed.

With regard to chemotherapy, it is my understanding that if it is not
having significant effect by the end of the second treatment, then it
ought to be discontinued, or another drug or combination of drugs
tried. Chemotherapy either does the job quickly or not at all.

In your internet travels, did you come across IPT treatment prior to
beginning regular chemotherapy? I believe that if one decides to go
ahead with chemotherapy that IPT is a much better way to go.

But of course, I still feel that in the vast majority of cases, the
best thing an oncologist can say to a client is, "I'm sorry; there's
nothing I can do for you."

Very best wishes to you,

Elliot

YOu're right. that is clearly very nice.

I joined this group yesterday and know nothing of it other than it was
promoted on the Budwig site. I, perhaps, jumped in a little too quickly. With young
children, im afraid, time is not on my side in these matters.

I intended, and hopefully caused no offense:)

thanks for your insight.


In a message dated 4/28/05 4:37:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cherdtoit@... writes:

One note: i think/hope one day you will realize just how very nice it is

of

Wilhelm to be here at all, pouring months of unpaid work into this
altruistic venture trying to help others who are desperate.

vanessa wrote to Wilhelm:

be nice!

One note: i think/hope one day you will realize just how very nice it is

of

Wilhelm to be here at all, pouring months of unpaid work into this
altruistic venture trying to help others who are desperate.

Ulla

Hi Vanessa,

I have to agree with Ulla regarding Wilhelm. He is a true gentleman and
honestly the very best moderator one can ever hope for. Without his
wonderful guidance many of us would be totally lost. You can ask Wilhelm
anything and he is always more than willing to help and respond where
possible.

I can understand your fear and believe me, I know what you are going
through. My sister had exactly the same breast cancer you have. Stage IV
with lymphatic involvement and HER2/NUE positive (estrogen sensitive). Just
like you, she was undergoing chemo therapy when we thankfully discovered the
Budwig protocol. Since starting the Budwig protocol everything changed for
the better, she stopped further chemo treatments, refused the follow up
radiation treatments as well as the 5 year use of Tamoxifen. We will be
celebrating her 2 year remission and health in exactly two week's time. I
have to tell you her favourite saying regarding the fo/cc............."When
you feel you can no longer stand the cheese and oil, pinch your nose shut
and swallow anyway". Don't worry about the dairy part or anything, just do
it.........!

Lots of strongs to you
Cheryl

I intended, and hopefully caused no offense:)

Hi Vanessa, no offence taken...

I saw your messages coming in this morning, but I was too busy to post until now. Please be assured that I had no intention of belittling you. I am glad that our misunderstanding has been resolved and that there is no need to get into it anymore.

You will have noticed what a great group we have here. Please feel welcome. I hope that you will find healing through your membership here.

Many thanks to Ulla, Elliot and Cheryl for their kind support. It was very much appreciated.

Wilhelm


From: BocaTrader@...

YOu're right. that is clearly very nice.

I joined this group yesterday and know nothing of it other than it was
promoted on the Budwig site. I, perhaps, jumped in a little too quickly. With young
children, im afraid, time is not on my side in these matters.

I intended, and hopefully caused no offense:)

thanks for your insight.


In a message dated 4/28/05 4:37:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cherdtoit@... writes:

> >One note: i think/hope one day you will realize just how very nice it is
> of
> >Wilhelm to be here at all, pouring months of unpaid work into this
> >altruistic venture trying to help others who are desperate.