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my sister just found out she has breast cancer.the doc. told her he wants
to take out the lymph node that has cancer.he wants her to decide if she want
them all taken out. what do they do for you.i have her started on fo/cc.i
need all the help i can get .some people are hard to get to belive in something
they havent heard of before......thanks rich.

Max,
you have been sceptical in many of your past posts - a regular doubting Thomas - lol.

If you know what healthy diet to replace the Budwig Diet with you may be fine. Most people don't know. They don't or won't even use the proper Budwig Protocol in the first place. Of course if a person is healthy and if that person is using a truly healthy diet and lifestyle, things will likely be great and guard against degenerative health. If a person has come down with cancer however, the rules change. A much greater concentration on diet and lifestyle is then required to turn things around.

But I will tell you what - you change your diet to what you think is right and then let us know how you are doing... there is a catch to it though... from what I remember you don't have cancer, so it is not the greatest experiment in your case.

Stay well,
Wilhelm


But why not go to any other healthy diet. It need not be the
Budwig diet.
Max

Good post Nelson.

I have a few comments.

You are right in stressing the immune system. It is no doubt of vital importance to stay healthy, to fight pathogens, toxins and disease when it has taken hold. The Budwig Diet does lay the basis for proper immune system functioning, but it is not only about the immune system. The immune system can only function properly if the body, i.e. cells, glands, lymphatic system, mucus membranes , etc. are in good shape. This is where the Budwig Diet comes in.

The most basic thing that the Budwig Diet does is to restore the compromised oxygen uptake capability of the cells which begins by restoring the impaired oxygen transport capability of the blood. Everything else depends on that. As they say: You can live without food for a few weeks, without drink for a few days but without oxygen only for a few minutes. Therefore, if the body cannot properly utilize the oxygen that is made available by the lungs, it goes downhill fast. Oxygen is the most needed commodity, more so than any other nutrient. Insufficient oxygen causes cancer as Dr. Otto Warburg found out in the 1930s. Oxygen infusion (respirator) will not help as the conditions are not right to utilize it. According to Dr.Budwig, it will only hasten the demise.

Dr.Budwig found the answer to the problem by providing the body with the highly unsaturated fatty acids combined with sulphurated proteins, and by identifying the fats, "foods" and substances to avoid.

In her book "Das Fettsyndrom" Dr.Budwig only devotes 2 pages out of about 175 pages to the immune system, 3 to skin, 4 to liver, gall bladder, pancreas, 6 to blood, 35 to growth and malignant growth, etc.

Therefore, if we want to describe the Budwig Protocol, I think it is best to give a broader picture of it than only covering the immune system regardless of it's undisputed importance. We have so many sceptics out there who will be quick to conclude: Oh, in that case I can take an immune system enhancer in place of the Budwig Protocol or in addition to it. After all, there are many websites, sellers and pushers offering a great variety of such supplements at great cost. While some of them may be good, many of them are a waste of money, and some may even interfere with the Budwig Protocol.

One of the sad things about Dr.Budwig, in addition to having been blacklisted and persecuted as she was, is that she never had an internet presence like Drs. Gerson, Rath and a host of others. I am sure things would have changed dramatically if she would have had. Many of the misconceptions and arguments would have been properly dealt with. As it stands, there are only a very few sites who devote themselves to her protocol without using it to push their own products. As you know, Dr.Budwig had an outstanding success rate with her method without using any supplements (except nutritional yeast flakes).

Wilhelm

I am a diabetic with pc...Should I have any concerns with the Budwig protocal?

Thank you for your reply Michael

Boricua

My husband has been taking Transfer Point Beta Glucan 500mg for about 6 months or so. One tablet is taken for every 50 pounds of weight first thing in a.m. He takes other supplements so we do not know what has been helpful.

This Saturday we had Electrodermal analysis done on his entire vitamin regime and his whole body system. . Beta Glucan flunked. I am not sure what to do because I have read so many good things about it. I just received a new order, each bottle is $60. I wonder if it because it is glucose based? When pure sugar was tested, the scale went down to 0, the worst possible reading.

Ksenija

Boricua <workboricua@...> wrote:
Has anyone tried this before?

Transfer Point
Beta Glucan 500 Mg
Immune Enhancer

I was reading this page when I found about it.



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I've taken this product for a few years with no known problems. I alternate 2
caps per day of curcumin with 2 caps per day of Nexrutine Plus also from
Swanson Vitamins.
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:54:34 -0700 (PDT)

From: Ksenija oberlander <ksenija_oberlander@...>

Subject: Re: Curcumin Source


Ed



This is indeed a good price. Have you been taking this prfoduct and are you
toleratling it well?



Ksenjia


steeleglas@... wrote:

I purchase curcumin from www.swansonvitamins.com. I bottle of 60 caps each

with 900mg plus bioperine costs $11.39.

Ed Brenner





Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:17:02 -0000


From: "dazmolikeit" <slickpicker@...>


Subject: Curcumin and food



--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Alex Torres" <atorres@d...>


wrote:

Dear Terry,

Curcumin is quite aggressive with the esophagus and the gastric

linen

and I recommend to my patients to ingest it with food and some

calcium

carbonate.

Hi Alex:



Thanks much for your prompt reply. Life Extension also recommends


taking their product with food. The reason I asked relates to the


following I saw on a physician's site who advocates hormone blockade


along with certain complementary supplements:



"The owner of the company that makes this product recommends that men


with prostate cancer be treated with two capsules three times per day


on an empty stomach, although the literature that I received


recommended taking it with a heavy meal. The owner of the company is


aware of this, and states that the recommendation to take it with food


is not correct, that it should be taken on an empty stomach. The good


news is that it is inexpensive; 60 capsules cost only about $15.00.


The product can be ordered by calling (888) 852-4993. The name of the


company is Natural Health Consultants."



Regards,


Terry

But why not go to any other healthy diet. It need not be the
Budwig diet.
Max

Wilhelm and All,

When talking about "getting off the Budwig diet" we can lose sight
from the central idea of why we are on the diet in the first place.
We tend to concentrate on the afliction we are experiencing and that
is normal. We may forget what the diet is intended to do. The
Budwig diet, Gerson therapy, any natural successful approach to
disease is not cancer, heart infraction, etc specific. They address
the compromised IMMUNE system that allowed the affliction in the
first place and the immune system addresses the disease. A
compromised immune system is in the majority of cases due to diet.

There is very little we can do about tumors, etc on our own but can
do everything about diet hence repair the immune system. The immune
system will then address anything "foreign" or harmful to the body
but if greatly impaired it cannot do what it was designed to do. For
ongoing good health and "curing" incurable diseases the immune system
must be restored and maintained. THAT IS THE GOAL.

How long does that take? Dr. Gerson felt that the liver was the
center of the immune system and on his greatly intensified therapy
from 2 to 3 years to rebuild the liver. Dr. Budwig, with no
specific comment that I know of, on her diet 5 years. Both
experienced the sad reality that some after starting the diets, have
felt good and returned to former eating habits and then the attempt
to resume the diets proved to be impossible. If as an example one
has a life threatening cancer, would start the diet and find after a
short while that cancer can no longer be found in the body does not
mean they are "out the woods" so to speak. There is reason to
rejoice because it is an indication the immune system can be
repaired. However it is only the start not a point for thinking of
straying from the diet. There are a few individuals with immune
systems so compromised that they cannot be saved even from the
start. That is a fact of life.

This is not new to any of us but meant as a reminder. We all have
to "count the cost" in life in anything we do. It is comforting to
know that the vast majority can take matters in their own hands,
rebuild their immune systems and heal diseases no matter how sick
they may be. It does take understanding what one must do and the
will to carry it to the end.

When thinking of "getting off the Budwig diet" or cheating think
immune system...immune system..immune system and what setbacks you
may do to it. We should do everything we can do to enhance the
immune system. This we can do. Also the question that begs to be
answered, why go back to a diet that brought on the problem?
Nelson


--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., Boricua <workboricua@y...> wrote:

Thanks Wilhem

Wilhelm Hansen <wilhelmh@t...> wrote:Bori,
I agree with your position on this.

Wilhelm


I differ from that statement; According to what I have read you

must remain on the Budwig Diet for 5 yrs. (Short time to rebuild a
lifetime damage.) Yet, if we had to stay on it for life.. it should
not be such a hard thing to do.

Quote from cancer.org

"According to Dr. Budwig, you need to remain on this diet for a

good 5 years. If you break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports,
(ie. eating preserved meats, candy, etc), the tumors will sometimes
grow rapidly worse."

Bori





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If you are TRULY interested in Johanna Budwig's approach to chronic illness,
including cancer, then please invest in and read the two of her books
published in English and available at Amazon.com


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And, also, read the FILES section of the flaxseedoil2 yahoogroup for the most
accurate interpretation of her work.

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There are many sites on the web that have inaccuracies in Dr Budwig's
protocol. THis is a lifetime commitment.

mjh

From: "dazmolikeit" <slickpicker@...>

Then is a "meal" of fo/cc/fs, organic berries, some walnuts, and
occasionally a banana considered to have a high glycemic load?

No. FSO/CC/FS and walnuts has very few carbs, thus very low-glycemic
load. Berries have a very low glycemic index, and I believe a low
glycemic load, and they're cancer-healing. Except blueberries, which
have a moderate glycemic-index, but they're also cancer-healing. I
just wouldn't eat a 1000 at a single meal. Bananas have a high
glycemic load, but 1 banana at a meal is fine. Again, I believe the
answer to your question is clearly No.

Thanks Wilhem

Wilhelm Hansen <wilhelmh@...> wrote:Bori,
I agree with your position on this.

Wilhelm


I differ from that statement; According to what I have read you must remain on the Budwig Diet for 5 yrs. (Short time to rebuild a lifetime damage.) Yet, if we had to stay on it for life.. it should not be such a hard thing to do.



Quote from cancer.org

"According to Dr. Budwig, you need to remain on this diet for a good 5 years. If you break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports, (ie. eating preserved meats, candy, etc), the tumors will sometimes grow rapidly worse."

Bori





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This is indeed a good price. Have you been taking this prfoduct and are you toleratling it well?

Ksenjia

steeleglas@... wrote:
I purchase curcumin from www.swansonvitamins.com. I bottle of 60 caps each
with 900mg plus bioperine costs $11.39.
Ed Brenner



Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:17:02 -0000

From: "dazmolikeit" <slickpicker@...>

Subject: Curcumin and food


--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Alex Torres" <atorres@d...>

wrote:

Dear Terry,

Curcumin is quite aggressive with the esophagus and the gastric

linen

and I recommend to my patients to ingest it with food and some

calcium

carbonate.

Hi Alex:


Thanks much for your prompt reply. Life Extension also recommends

taking their product with food. The reason I asked relates to the

following I saw on a physician's site who advocates hormone blockade

along with certain complementary supplements:


"The owner of the company that makes this product recommends that men

with prostate cancer be treated with two capsules three times per day

on an empty stomach, although the literature that I received

recommended taking it with a heavy meal. The owner of the company is

aware of this, and states that the recommendation to take it with food

is not correct, that it should be taken on an empty stomach. The good

news is that it is inexpensive; 60 capsules cost only about $15.00.

The product can be ordered by calling (888) 852-4993. The name of the

company is Natural Health Consultants."


Regards,

Terry





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After reading Dr. Liebowitz抯 various articles, I also got the impression that he is confident and very much self assured. He stands firmly behind his beliefs and is not afraid of being ostracized by his contemporaries. He feels he has discovered "the perfect formula" and there is only one way to go. He says, "Everyone is entitled to their own 憌rong� opinion."

You can get an idea of what Electrodermal Analysis is by going to www:orbit4health.com.electrod.html If you type in Dr. Michal Galitzer, you will come upon an article of his interview with Suzzane Sommers and you will pretty much get an idea of the work he is doing. Very interesting man.

As to which supplements flunked, I was most surprised that Transfer Point Beta Glucan was one. I wonder if this is due to it being carbohydrate based with "linked" glucose. When Dr. Galitzer tested pure sugar, the machine made a terrible sound and the scale dropped to 0 ( the worst reading possible). I am disappointed and not sure if to eliminate it from my husband抯 protocol.. I have read such good things about it and have just received a new supply. Another surprise was some the MegaFood (made from whole foods) supplements. The One Daily, a multi passed. However, MegaZymes (a digestant), B-Complex and Multi Mineral formulas flunked. I though whole food vitamins were better.

What most surprised me was that the entire Dr Maria eAntiaging vitamin regime (www.eAntiaging.com) passed with flying colors. When my husband saw this happening, his face fell. He was hoping to cut down on the number of supplements he is taking. T his regime was designed by Dr. Michael Lam, an eAntiaging consultant, a researcher and the author of Beating Cancer With Natural Medicine (1stBooks).. Have you read it/ There is a lot of good information in it.

Got Larry Clapp's book today.

With best wishes

Ksenija


dazmolikeit <slickpicker@...> wrote:
Ksenija oberlander<wrote:

Terry

After hearing Dr. Liebowitz, were you impressed by him and the work he is doing? We came close to consulting with his partner, SteveTucker..

I was impressed with Dr. Leibowitz' confidence in the efficacy of his protocol. He was introduced as a "maverick" among the other speakers at the conference and acknowledged as much at the start of his presentation. It's my understanding that while he continues to
lecture, he no longer actively treats patients (but Steve Tucker does,using Leibowitz' methods).

Today we saw Dr. Michael Galitzer,a highly thought after doctor, and the focus of his practice is anti-aging. He has many cancer patients and has a long waiting list . With the help of his wife, we were able to see him sooner..

Through tests he performed today, using Electrodermal analysis. hedetermined my husband's metabolic type (there are 4),.checked thefunctioning of his organs (most of us have weak livers) and the endocrine system. . Dr Galitzer treats the body as an integrated whole, and does not focus on just a specific part such as the prostate. His aim is to rebalance the entire body system. He prescribed herbals and homeopathics and checked my husband's entire

supplement regime ( a few of the supplements flunked). He also testedthe Testosterone also said, for now, it was o.k.to use. After reading Dr. Torres e-mail and his recommendation to use curcumin for prostate cancer, I took 2 kinds along to have them tested.

Congratulations on short-cutting the waiting list for Dr. Galitzer.
In a nutshell, what is Electrodermal analysis? Also, which supplements flunked?

Dr Galitzer also recommended Larry Clapp's book so I plan to get

it.

I have read Larry Clapp's book (among various others) and haveimplemented some of its recommendations, although I have not done the extended fast.

Since you are on the FlaxOil site, I presume you are doing theBudwig protocol. Are you also pursuing other therapies for you PCa?

I am using the fo/cc/fs daily...along with a mostly organic vegetarian
diet (except for occasional line-caught Alaskan salmon or free-range
chicken), and quite a few supplements.

Terry



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Bori,
I agree with your position on this.

Wilhelm


I differ from that statement; According to what I have read you must remain on the Budwig Diet for 5 yrs. (Short time to rebuild a lifetime damage.) Yet, if we had to stay on it for life.. it should not be such a hard thing to do.



Quote from cancer.org

"According to Dr. Budwig, you need to remain on this diet for a good 5 years. If you break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports, (ie. eating preserved meats, candy, etc), the tumors will sometimes grow rapidly worse."

Bori

Charles and All,
it seems that everyone is getting the Discover Card messages. I agree that it must be an auto responder. Richard Ask had already mentioned it. I have since then communicated with Yahoo twice about it, the second time with more information which they requested. I hope that they will now be able to solve it. If not, I have a plan for trying something else, but I am reluctant to do it as it will be very time consuming for me and somewhat disruptive to the group for a while.

Wilhelm


Everytime I post a message to the flax oil group I get a discover (R)
card E Mail. The last one came with one of my postings.Discover R
cards automatic responder is sending messages from the focc group to
me. We need a geek to figure this one out. The following is what
Discover (R)card sent to me.
Charles

I purchase curcumin from www.swansonvitamins.com. I bottle of 60 caps each
with 900mg plus bioperine costs $11.39.
Ed Brenner



Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:17:02 -0000

From: "dazmolikeit" <slickpicker@...>

Subject: Curcumin and food


--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Alex Torres" <atorres@d...>

wrote:

Dear Terry,

Curcumin is quite aggressive with the esophagus and the gastric

linen

and I recommend to my patients to ingest it with food and some

calcium

carbonate.

Hi Alex:


Thanks much for your prompt reply. Life Extension also recommends

taking their product with food. The reason I asked relates to the

following I saw on a physician's site who advocates hormone blockade

along with certain complementary supplements:


"The owner of the company that makes this product recommends that men

with prostate cancer be treated with two capsules three times per day

on an empty stomach, although the literature that I received

recommended taking it with a heavy meal. The owner of the company is

aware of this, and states that the recommendation to take it with food

is not correct, that it should be taken on an empty stomach. The good

news is that it is inexpensive; 60 capsules cost only about $15.00.

The product can be ordered by calling (888) 852-4993. The name of the

company is Natural Health Consultants."


Regards,

Terry

So Host Defense is very similar to Beta Glucan.
Bori

Michael Dorfman <md@...> wrote:
my understanding is that Beta Glucan has long been recognized
as an excellent immune system enhancer; but the problem is that
it is very hard to put it into a supplement form that is actually absorbed
by the body. Here's a site with a vast amount of research on Beta Glucan


I believe that mushrooms and oats are natural sources of Beta Glucan
michael

my understanding is that Beta Glucan has long been recognized
as an excellent immune system enhancer; but the problem is that
it is very hard to put it into a supplement form that is actually absorbed
by the body. Here's a site with a vast amount of research on Beta Glucan


I believe that mushrooms and oats are natural sources of Beta Glucan
michael

Yes I also get that and I dont know why. I have no clue how to get
rid of it. When you find out let me know.
Lisa

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wrote:

Everytime I post a message to the flax oil group I get a discover

(R)

card E Mail. The last one came with one of my postings.Discover R
cards automatic responder is sending messages from the focc group

to

me. We need a geek to figure this one out. The following is what
Discover (R)card sent to me.
Charles

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From :sunfish117 <carp43@m...>
Date :Thu Aug 05 21:44:07 EDT 2004

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I haqve a new hormone blocker which I have forgotten the name of.

It

consist of two injections in the stomach area. It is not either

of

those you mentioned. I get those every 4 months. I investigated
glyconutrients however the product most advertised is "Ambrotose"

and

far beyond my ability to buy because it is expensive. I have
researched the glyconutrients that it is composed of and i also

bought

the book that describes the 8 essential glyconutrients. I have

found

sources for most of these individually at much less cost. I also

take

"D. I. M." a chemical derived from broccoli that supposedly

inhibits

cancer. I add Turmeric and ginger to my focc. Both of these are

well

documented as inhitors of cancer. I also add ground flax seed to

the

focc along with ground brown rice.
Thanks for your inquiry and I hope all is well with you.
Charles







--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., Ksenija oberlander
<ksenija_oberlander@y...> wrote:

Charles

So happy to hear of your success with the Budwig fo/cc diet.

A year ago my husband was also diagnosed with PCa with mets to

the

bones. Would you mind sharing on what kind of hromone blockage
therapy you are on (Casodex/ Lupron?).

Are you taking any additional supplements or just strictly

following the Budwig regime?

Thanks

Ksenija

You mention hormone blockage. Is it Casodex and Lupron

combnation.

sunfish117 <carp43@m...> wrote:
---In answer to your question in my case Yes! I have advanced

prostate

cancer diagnosed as the most agressive kind which has spread

beyond

the prostate. 12 biosy needles with 12 positives. I changed

diet

and

went on focc soon after learning what I had. I understand

medicare

will only pay for one cat scan a year so I have no way of

knowing

what

is going on except my well being has drastically improved in

many

ways. My prostate has shrunk to near normal. Whether or not this

is

from the hormone treatments or focc or a combination of both I

do

not

know. My health continues to improve. I have been using focc

since

october 2003.
Charles




In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "cathcoy" <catherinecoy@c...>

wrote:

I have enjoyed everyone's feedback for a few weeks now.

Without

going into the archives to attempt to determine the answer

myself,

I

would like to ask the group if the majority of you are, in

fact,

battling a disease or do you take flaxseed oil as a preventive
measure? Personally, I'm convinced of the efficacy of

Essential

Fatty Acids to protect us from a variety of ailments and I use

it

for

that purpose (in my case, mild arthritis).

The reason I ask is this: I participate on a discussion board

where

melanoma patients of every "stage" post their treatments--the

vast

majority of which involve conventional medicine (radiation,

drugs

and

surgery). I mentioned that I had read quite a bit about

Johanna

Budwig's alleged cure for a variety of ailments, including

cancer.

Since the "treatment" is innocuous and involves a nutrient

(EFA)

we

need anyway, why not incorporate the Budwig Diet with the view
that "it can't hurt and might help, so why not?"

Well, you'd have thought I asked them to dance naked in Times

Square

as part of their treatment. On a conventional discussion

board,

you're practically drawn and quartered for endorsing (or even
suggesting) anything other than pharmaceuticals, surgery or
radiation, it appears, but that particular board is dedicated

to

melanoma (my particular focus), so I continue to visit and

post.

Now

I'm wondering, however, how many Budwig success stories of

cures

for

actual diseases do we have among the 600+ members of this

board?

Any feedback? Thanks.

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