I generally agree with Brent. AI is not ready for prime time. One of my personal aphorisms (Davisms) is that software can't do your job for you, you have to know what you're doing.
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I have a warped sense of humor and a penchant for irony. While I may be wrong--in which case I will apologize--I think Brent uses voice-to-text for his posts. Voice-to-text is fundamentally AI. It demonstrates the failings of AI wonderfully and yet Brent has fallen into its use. That does not take away from the validity of his points.
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I think that Apple should keep up with and where possible push the boundaries of technology and science. That includes AI. I think rolling out capabilities that aren't in fact very capable is not good business. The customer base should not be beta testers.
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In the end "you have to know what you're doing." I certainly embrace the little blue (grammar) and red (spelling) squiggly lines that nudge me in the right direction when writing. I'm happy for the availability of Google and other search engines for research. I'm thrilled by Google Scholar for access to meaningful, mostly peer-reviewed and prepub material. I have to go to the library for Lexus-Nexus but I can get Google Scholar sitting at me desk at home (in my underwear). AI is working its way into search engines.
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You still have to know what you are doing. You have to sort the wheat from the chaff. It helps to be a polymath. *grin* AI still conflates commonality of belief with fact and opinion with fact. Maybe that will improve. I hope so, but for now you shouldn't count on it. I think Brent and I agree on that.
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Do not confuse your or other's vision of the future and potential with the current reality. AI is not all that good yet. What is sad is that for many people what AI produces IS better than what they can. The movie Wall-E comes to mind. Do better. Be better.
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regards, dave
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And I thought *I* was a sceptic, a pessimist!
Otto (Who used to read a lot of SF.)
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The reason I am opposed falls on two reasons. Too much possibility for bad acts.?
The second is that people have a bad habit of using it as an aggregate search engine, without fact checking, and using trends instead of facts. It does not check the results against known facts or logic. It then publishes the results to the web, corrupting or polluting the pool of information. Basically, shitting in it own drinking water, making the next use of AI even more corrupt or in error. This continuous corruption is then repeated by both AI and people. This is just like climate change or animal extinction. Little acts that compound bad results.?
People used to think the internet was a godsend, instead it has created at least one generation that cannot think for themselves. I see AI, without severe restrictions, as the downfall if the internet.?
This may sound like science fiction, but how many sci-fi predictions have come true?
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AI should not have been released to the public. It should have been left in secure research labs. It is not ready for public release, and maybe never.?
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On Aug 15, 2024, at 12:11, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
? The reason I am opposed falls on two reasons. Too much possibility for bad acts.?
The second is that people have a bad habit of using it as an aggregate search engine, without fact checking, and using trends instead of facts. It does not check the results against known facts or logic. It then publishes the results to the web, corrupting or polluting the pool of information. Basically, shitting in it own drinking water, making the next use of AI even more corrupt or in error. This continuous corruption is then repeated by both AI and people. This is just like climate change or animal extinction. Little acts that compound bad results.?
People used to think the internet was a godsend, instead it has created at least one generation that cannot think for themselves. I see AI, without severe restrictions, as the downfall if the internet.?
This may sound like science fiction, but how many sci-fi predictions have come true??? On Aug 15, 2024, at 07:47, Alice via groups.io <lwr32@...> wrote:
? Brent, any particular reason you don’t want Apple getting into AI? I can see where AI can be bad. ?In the case of writing, it makes it so one doesn’t need to learn sentence structure or even have writing skills. AI can do it all for you. \ ??\ ??/\ ???( ??) ??????????Alice .( ?????). ?lwr32@...On Aug 14, 2024, at 5:24?PM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
?Hi Alice,
It’s just been very quiet for a couple of weeks. Maybe the Olympics?
Quite often these groups are all about problems. If people aren’t having any, perhaps that’s good? Do you know the website? I often check there in case I’ve missed something.
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Otto
On 14 Aug 2024, at 22:27, Alice via groups.io <lwr32@...> wrote:
I haven’t received a message from this group in quite sometime. Is everyone ok? No iPhone problems?
Anyone keeping up with the development of iOS 18? Is anyone interested in what AI will be bringing to the iPhone?
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Two additions.?
Change bad acts to serious bad acts.?
And not only does published AI corrupt the source for future AI searches, but for future non-AI searches.?
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On Aug 15, 2024, at 12:11, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
? The reason I am opposed falls on two reasons. Too much possibility for bad acts.?
The second is that people have a bad habit of using it as an aggregate search engine, without fact checking, and using trends instead of facts. It does not check the results against known facts or logic. It then publishes the results to the web, corrupting or polluting the pool of information. Basically, shitting in it own drinking water, making the next use of AI even more corrupt or in error. This continuous corruption is then repeated by both AI and people. This is just like climate change or animal extinction. Little acts that compound bad results.?
People used to think the internet was a godsend, instead it has created at least one generation that cannot think for themselves. I see AI, without severe restrictions, as the downfall if the internet.?
This may sound like science fiction, but how many sci-fi predictions have come true??? On Aug 15, 2024, at 07:47, Alice via groups.io <lwr32@...> wrote:
? Brent, any particular reason you don’t want Apple getting into AI? I can see where AI can be bad. ?In the case of writing, it makes it so one doesn’t need to learn sentence structure or even have writing skills. AI can do it all for you. \ ??\ ??/\ ???( ??) ??????????Alice .( ?????). ?lwr32@...On Aug 14, 2024, at 5:24?PM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
?Hi Alice,
It’s just been very quiet for a couple of weeks. Maybe the Olympics?
Quite often these groups are all about problems. If people aren’t having any, perhaps that’s good? Do you know the website? I often check there in case I’ve missed something.
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Otto
On 14 Aug 2024, at 22:27, Alice via groups.io <lwr32@...> wrote:
I haven’t received a message from this group in quite sometime. Is everyone ok? No iPhone problems?
Anyone keeping up with the development of iOS 18? Is anyone interested in what AI will be bringing to the iPhone?
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The reason I am opposed falls on two reasons. Too much possibility for bad acts.?
The second is that people have a bad habit of using it as an aggregate search engine, without fact checking, and using trends instead of facts. It does not check the results against known facts or logic. It then publishes the results to the web, corrupting or polluting the pool of information. Basically, shitting in it own drinking water, making the next use of AI even more corrupt or in error. This continuous corruption is then repeated by both AI and people. This is just like climate change or animal extinction. Little acts that compound bad results.?
People used to think the internet was a godsend, instead it has created at least one generation that cannot think for themselves. I see AI, without severe restrictions, as the downfall if the internet.?
This may sound like science fiction, but how many sci-fi predictions have come true???
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On Aug 15, 2024, at 07:47, Alice via groups.io <lwr32@...> wrote:
? Brent, any particular reason you don’t want Apple getting into AI? I can see where AI can be bad. ?In the case of writing, it makes it so one doesn’t need to learn sentence structure or even have writing skills. AI can do it all for you. \ ??\ ??/\ ???( ??) ??????????Alice .( ?????). ?lwr32@...On Aug 14, 2024, at 5:24?PM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
?Hi Alice,
It’s just been very quiet for a couple of weeks. Maybe the Olympics?
Quite often these groups are all about problems. If people aren’t having any, perhaps that’s good? Do you know the website? I often check there in case I’ve missed something.
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Otto
On 14 Aug 2024, at 22:27, Alice via groups.io <lwr32@...> wrote:
I haven’t received a message from this group in quite sometime. Is everyone ok? No iPhone problems?
Anyone keeping up with the development of iOS 18? Is anyone interested in what AI will be bringing to the iPhone?
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Following iOS18 news for sure! A little uncertain about Ai deployment at this time.
My latest headache: I was going nuts chasing unread messages… some way down on the list, long scrolling up and down hunting for the dot. I get lots of messages.
Settings>Messages>Filter Unknown Senders solved it. Now, I can go to < Filters on the top left of the screen, and have my merry choice: All, Known, Unknown, and Unread. My watch mirrors my choices, I am now a happy camper.
Heidi
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Brent, any particular reason you don’t want Apple getting into AI? I can see where AI can be bad. In the case of writing, it makes it so one doesn’t need to learn sentence structure or even have writing skills. AI can do it all for you.
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On Aug 14, 2024, at 5:24?PM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
?Hi Alice,
It’s just been very quiet for a couple of weeks. Maybe the Olympics?
Quite often these groups are all about problems. If people aren’t having any, perhaps that’s good? Do you know the website? I often check there in case I’ve missed something.
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Otto
On 14 Aug 2024, at 22:27, Alice via groups.io <lwr32@...> wrote:
I haven’t received a message from this group in quite sometime. Is everyone ok? No iPhone problems?
Anyone keeping up with the development of iOS 18? Is anyone interested in what AI will be bringing to the iPhone?
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Hi Alice, It’s just been very quiet for a couple of weeks. Maybe the Olympics? Quite often these groups are all about problems. If people aren’t having any, perhaps that’s good? Do you know the website? I often check there in case I’ve missed something. < /g/AppleiPhone/messages> Otto
On 14 Aug 2024, at 22:27, Alice via groups.io <lwr32@...> wrote:
I haven’t received a message from this group in quite sometime. Is everyone ok? No iPhone problems?
Anyone keeping up with the development of iOS 18? Is anyone interested in what AI will be bringing to the iPhone?
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I’m looking forward to trying iOS 18, but haven’t read as much about it as I should. ?The ability of AI to assist in writing should be interesting.
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? I haven’t received a message from this group in quite sometime. Is everyone ok? No iPhone problems?
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Anyone keeping up with the development of iOS 18? Is anyone interested in what AI will be bringing to the iPhone?
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-Alice
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Actually, I would rather that Apple not get involved with AI or at least not release it to the public right now.?
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I haven’t received a message from this group in quite sometime. Is everyone ok? No iPhone problems?
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Anyone keeping up with the development of iOS 18? Is anyone interested in what AI will be bringing to the iPhone?
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-Alice
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I haven’t received a message from this group in quite sometime. Is everyone ok? No iPhone problems?
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Anyone keeping up with the development of iOS 18? Is anyone interested in what AI will be bringing to the iPhone?
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-Alice
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Steps to Take Before Buying Used Apple Devices
Every once in a while I hear of someone who purchases a used Apple device and then has trouble getting into it in order to make use of it.? Because of security on these devices, there are some steps that anyone buying a used Apple device should take BEFORE the purchase.? Apple discusses this under “Check for Activation Lock before you buy a device from someone else” on the following webpage:
Step 4 is actually applicable to all devices, not just activation locked ones.? It includes directions on handling the situation in which a device is still linked to the previous owner’s account.
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Again, these issues are best dealt with PRIOR TO purchasing a used Apple device.
Bev in TX
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Re: Password reset problem
Good idea to use emails for different purposes.?
I use Gmail for work and my .mac account for personal emails. My .mac account sorts my mail into different folder under my inbox.? \ ? ?\ ? /\? ? ? ( ? ) ? ? ? ? ? Alice ?.( ? ? ?). ?lwr32@...
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On Jul 16, 2024, at 2:36?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
? There is a reason I refer to Comcast/Xfinity as “Compost, a pile of rotting vegetation”.?
I use them for a few years, and then they really foul up. I don’t even use the email address the assigned me. They communicate with me at my Apple e-ddress, and I use a yahoo address so I don’t have to send out a change of address when they get real stupid or really upset me.?
My suggestion is to find another email provider, preferably a free one. Then slowly send out change of e-ddress notifications, and your various accounts over to it. Start with the most important and frequently used. You will find in a couple of months, there will hardly be any email on the Compost email.?
I keep at least 3 separate e-ddresses: - private or private business, - an alias for resumes when I was working, - public for lists or other public activities, - and one for activities that might generate unsolicited email, like businesses that are likely to share my info. I have no emotional attachment to this one and can drop it in a heart beat.?
And my Compost e-ddress sits unused, not even by Compost.?
I only use web mail to clear email issues that cannot be resolved in Apple’s Mail.app.
On Jul 16, 2024, at 04:09, Cathy via groups.io <devittad2@...> wrote:
? Xfinity required me to reset a password for my personal email address which I use on my iPad and iPhone only. ?I used the iPad to do the reset. ?All ok. ?The new password works on the iPad which I used to send this email.
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However, when I tried to reset the password on my iPhone XR using the same method (Settings>Mail>Accounts>Account Settings) and changed the password I got a message "No password provided for (account) Please go to Mail Account Settings and. . .) when I’m actually IN Mail Account Settings.
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So I tried deleting the account and reinstalling. ?Same result. ?Ideas how to get this issue solved? ?I don’t know what to do next.
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There is a reason I refer to Comcast/Xfinity as “Compost, a pile of rotting vegetation”.?
I use them for a few years, and then they really foul up. I don’t even use the email address the assigned me. They communicate with me at my Apple e-ddress, and I use a yahoo address so I don’t have to send out a change of address when they get real stupid or really upset me.?
My suggestion is to find another email provider, preferably a free one. Then slowly send out change of e-ddress notifications, and your various accounts over to it. Start with the most important and frequently used. You will find in a couple of months, there will hardly be any email on the Compost email.?
I keep at least 3 separate e-ddresses: - private or private business, - an alias for resumes when I was working, - public for lists or other public activities, - and one for activities that might generate unsolicited email, like businesses that are likely to share my info. I have no emotional attachment to this one and can drop it in a heart beat.?
And my Compost e-ddress sits unused, not even by Compost.?
I only use web mail to clear email issues that cannot be resolved in Apple’s Mail.app.
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On Jul 16, 2024, at 04:09, Cathy via groups.io <devittad2@...> wrote:
? Xfinity required me to reset a password for my personal email address which I use on my iPad and iPhone only. ?I used the iPad to do the reset. ?All ok. ?The new password works on the iPad which I used to send this email.
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However, when I tried to reset the password on my iPhone XR using the same method (Settings>Mail>Accounts>Account Settings) and changed the password I got a message "No password provided for (account) Please go to Mail Account Settings and. . .) when I’m actually IN Mail Account Settings.
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So I tried deleting the account and reinstalling. ?Same result. ?Ideas how to get this issue solved? ?I don’t know what to do next.
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Re: Password reset problem
Yup. ?What you suggested is exactly what I tried. ?No dice. ?It’s a real Catch 22. ?No one got help from the forum either. ?The odd part is when I helped my DH do the forced password change on his iPhone it worked. ?And he has the exact same iPhone XR running the exact same iOS as I do where it keeps looping. ?Telling me to do what I am in the middle of doing.
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Maddening. ?I hate Xfinity. ?
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Re: Password reset problem
You probably already did the following, but just in case … How To Set Up Your Xfinity Email Address With an Email Program The following discussion is about this issue. ?You may wish to contact Xfinity about this…
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On Jul 16, 2024, at 6:09?AM, Cathy via groups.io <devittad2@...> wrote:
Xfinity required me to reset a password for my personal email address which I use on my iPad and iPhone only. ?I used the iPad to do the reset. ?All ok. ?The new password works on the iPad which I used to send this email.
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However, when I tried to reset the password on my iPhone XR using the same method (Settings>Mail>Accounts>Account Settings) and changed the password I got a message "No password provided for (account) Please go to Mail Account Settings and. . .) when I’m actually IN Mail Account Settings.
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So I tried deleting the account and reinstalling. ?Same result. ?Ideas how to get this issue solved? ?I don’t know what to do next.
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Xfinity required me to reset a password for my personal email address which I use on my iPad and iPhone only. ?I used the iPad to do the reset. ?All ok. ?The new password works on the iPad which I used to send this email.
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However, when I tried to reset the password on my iPhone XR using the same method (Settings>Mail>Accounts>Account Settings) and changed the password I got a message "No password provided for (account) Please go to Mail Account Settings and. . .) when I’m actually IN Mail Account Settings.
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So I tried deleting the account and reinstalling. ?Same result. ?Ideas how to get this issue solved? ?I don’t know what to do next.
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Re: Getting set up with Google Voice
I got set up with Google Voice yesterday, and it went pretty smoothly. I
even got a number in my area code (206).
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Re: iPhone iCloud adtivation
Hi Jim,
You don’t lose anything once you turn off iCloud - it just won’t sync. ?It also won’t be deleted from iCloud unless you go to iCloud.com and delete the stuff in the Cloud.
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On Jun 11, 2024, at 8:12?PM, Jim Showalter <jshowalt@...> wrote:
The problem for me is that if I understand it correctly if I turn off iCloud for some things that data has been moved to I can lose that data. On Jun 11, 2024, at 3:58 PM, Brent via < whodo678@...> wrote:
Yes, Apple is a business, not a philanthropic organization. When they do major upgrades, they sometimes changes settings, prefs and defaults to “showcase” the new eye candy. That is why I suggest reviewing all the settings, prefs and defaults after a whole number upgrade. The new eye candy in the software, drives the desire to upgrade hardware. More money!!!!!
Brent On Jun 11, 2024, at 2:19 PM, Bob G. via < rowerbob@...> wrote:
On Jun 11, 2024, at 15:26, Jim Showalter via < jshowalt@...> wrote:
Why the heck does Apple automatically activate some things for iCloud with an IOS upgrade?
To fill up your allotment of 5 GB of free iCloud space so you will pay for more, no? ??
How do you think they got to be a trillion $$$ corporation? ?.99? at a time.
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Re: iPhone iCloud adtivation
As to Apple support or assistance. I have yet to have one of their people refuse to help, if it is a software issue.
I recently experienced some push back on old and what they classify as obsolete hardware, a 2008 MBP, specifically. You can skirt the objection a bit, if you can relate it to a newer version, such as, will it sync or is compatible with this newer hardware or software. If asked politely, they might bend policy, but Apple has begun to remove or hide, support documents, and old software installers. Also on the older stuff, newer employees may just not know.
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
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On Jun 12, 2024, at 08:35, Bev in TX <countryone77@...> wrote:
?If it were me, I would contact Apple as to what would be the best way in which to resolve this. After all, it was an OS update that caused the problem.
On Jun 11, 2024, at 8:29?PM, Jim Showalter via groups.io <jshowalt@...> wrote:
The problem for me is that if I understand it correctly if I turn off iCloud for some things that data has been moved to I can lose that data.
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