??? Interesting . I was able to get to that Clocks magazine
article , so I have some reading to do . I could see a 3D printer
come in handy for making index plates with the proper amount of
teeth I then using one of the prints on the indexing side of the
mini lathe .
WHen I first got back in to machining? I spent way way toomuch
time following a few clockmaker quys on youtube & was so
amazed whth what thm guys could pull of with those almost mirco
lathes .
I kinda kick my self , many years back I was offered I think it
was a Lorch, but it coud have been a Levin watch makers lathe with
a ka-zillion collets& other attachments for $ 200.00 , & I
turned that offer down . then years later I was at a yard sale
& bought my first MIll , a Harbor Freight Big Red mill/drill .
I put a bunch of other things I wanted in a pile & told the
guy to give me his best price . We went back & fourth a couple
times & finally he? gave me his last # & I remember that
there was a real small lathe on one of the benches & I told
him , Ok I'll do that price but ya have to toss in the little home
made lathe & help me load the mill in my truck . He was pretty
tired of messing with me & agreed So we loaded everything in
my truck & I left . a few days later I found out that that
home made lathe was actually a Taig lathe with just about every
attachment they had except for the leadscrew & some collets .
I have used that Taig a bunch since then & really enjoy
making small parts with it . It's between a Mini lathe & a
actual Watch makers? lathe .
sorry for the long winded reply , but there isn't much other
stuff going on here .
thanks for the link
animal
On 5/11/25 7:21 PM, Johannes wrote:
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Mike
"SO I'm guessin that ya have a stop of some kind so ya don't
cut too deep with the gear cutter? ?"
If I understand your question correct,? this is my way to cut a
clock wheel:
A clock wheel has shape. It is called Epicycloidal. Full of
mathematic and practical experience.
The main reason is to reduce friction to pinion to be as little
as possible. Very little oil is used in a clock.
The tooth top can have a tip.
So before cutting I paint the surface, and when the tip is only
a small line. I know the depth is correct.
Johannes
Mexico
thanks , I totally missed the wheel in the earlier pic , I ws
too busy checkin out the gear cutting setup . I've seen folks
also use saw blade's , if ya can find one with the tooth
count? needed .
thanks for sharing . SO I'm guessin that ya have a stop of
some kind so ya don't cut too deep with the gear cutter? ?
thanks
animal
On 5/11/25 1:37 PM, Johannes
wrote:
Hi Mike
As you have seen on the other pictures (hopefully), there is
a big wheel on the left side of the lathe, fastened to the
spindle.
My wheel has a circumflex of 1502 mm, however the distance
between the millimeter marks is also a mark, so I have 3004
"marks" . My eyes are not as they were, so I have put on a
magnetifying glass.
So, if you are standing on the same foot, in the same
position and use the same eye, you can get a good reading.
With the Excel program, it is easy to do the calculation. My
reading of hundred is 0 or 5.
Ex.? 91,35?
On the picture you can see a thin red needle. If you put the
2 needles in line, it will be easier to do a good reading .
The relation between reading wheel and clock wheel is around
10:1.
However, it happens I have to make a new clock wheel.
/Johannes
Mexico
??? ??? Thats pretty slick., how are ya keeping track on
the indexing when ya gut? gears ? Is there something on
the other side of the spindle that locks in position ?
thanks
On 5/11/25 8:44 AM,
Johannes wrote:
Hi
The nut is fastened on a little plate on the back side
of the saddle.
The motor is a very cheap , higher speed water pump
motor. Silent and strong enough for the job.
As you can see, I have replaced the original press board
with a brass plate, it is longer and has an extra
contact pressure on the outside of the bed-way. This is
done on the back side also. This gave me a much better
anti-twist of the saddle.
This new lead screw is easy to set up with 2 screws for
special jobs. To cut a clock wheel with 144 teeth takes
time.?
One tooth wrong, you have to start again.
Good advice: Start with the biggest "wheel" first.
Johannes
Mexico
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Mike
"SO I'm guessin that ya have a stop of some kind so ya don't cut too deep with the gear cutter? ?"
If I understand your question correct,? this is my way to cut a clock wheel:
A clock wheel has shape. It is called Epicycloidal. Full of mathematic and practical experience.
The main reason is to reduce friction to pinion to be as little as possible. Very little oil is used in a clock.
The tooth top can have a tip.
So before cutting I paint the surface, and when the tip is only a small line. I know the depth is correct.
Johannes
Mexico
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Show quoted text
thanks , I totally missed the wheel in the earlier pic , I ws too busy checkin out the gear cutting setup . I've seen folks also use saw blade's , if ya can find one with the tooth count? needed .
thanks for sharing . SO I'm guessin that ya have a stop of some kind so ya don't cut too deep with the gear cutter? ?
thanks
animal
On 5/11/25 1:37 PM, Johannes wrote:
Hi Mike
As you have seen on the other pictures (hopefully), there is a big wheel on the left side of the lathe, fastened to the spindle.
My wheel has a circumflex of 1502 mm, however the distance between the millimeter marks is also a mark, so I have 3004 "marks" . My eyes are not as they were, so I have put on a magnetifying glass.
So, if you are standing on the same foot, in the same position and use the same eye, you can get a good reading.
With the Excel program, it is easy to do the calculation. My reading of hundred is 0 or 5.
Ex.? 91,35?
On the picture you can see a thin red needle. If you put the 2 needles in line, it will be easier to do a good reading .
The relation between reading wheel and clock wheel is around 10:1.
However, it happens I have to make a new clock wheel.
/Johannes
Mexico
??? ??? Thats pretty slick., how are ya keeping track on the indexing when ya gut? gears ? Is there something on the other side of the spindle that locks in position ?
thanks
On 5/11/25 8:44 AM, Johannes wrote:
Hi
The nut is fastened on a little plate on the back side of the saddle.
The motor is a very cheap , higher speed water pump motor. Silent and strong enough for the job.
As you can see, I have replaced the original press board with a brass plate, it is longer and has an extra contact pressure on the outside of the bed-way. This is done on the back side also. This gave me a much better anti-twist of the saddle.
This new lead screw is easy to set up with 2 screws for special jobs. To cut a clock wheel with 144 teeth takes time.?
One tooth wrong, you have to start again.
Good advice: Start with the biggest "wheel" first.
Johannes
Mexico
? ? ?
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thanks , I totally missed the wheel in the earlier pic , I ws too
busy checkin out the gear cutting setup . I've seen folks also use
saw blade's , if ya can find one with the tooth count? needed .
thanks for sharing . SO I'm guessin that ya have a stop of some
kind so ya don't cut too deep with the gear cutter? ?
thanks
animal
On 5/11/25 1:37 PM, Johannes wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Hi Mike
As you have seen on the other pictures (hopefully), there is a
big wheel on the left side of the lathe, fastened to the
spindle.
My wheel has a circumflex of 1502 mm, however the distance
between the millimeter marks is also a mark, so I have 3004
"marks" . My eyes are not as they were, so I have put on a
magnetifying glass.
So, if you are standing on the same foot, in the same position
and use the same eye, you can get a good reading.
With the Excel program, it is easy to do the calculation. My
reading of hundred is 0 or 5.
Ex.? 91,35?
On the picture you can see a thin red needle. If you put the 2
needles in line, it will be easier to do a good reading .
The relation between reading wheel and clock wheel is around
10:1.
However, it happens I have to make a new clock wheel.
/Johannes
Mexico
??? ??? Thats pretty slick., how are ya keeping track on the
indexing when ya gut? gears ? Is there something on the other
side of the spindle that locks in position ?
thanks
On 5/11/25 8:44 AM, Johannes
wrote:
Hi
The nut is fastened on a little plate on the back side of
the saddle.
The motor is a very cheap , higher speed water pump motor.
Silent and strong enough for the job.
As you can see, I have replaced the original press board
with a brass plate, it is longer and has an extra contact
pressure on the outside of the bed-way. This is done on the
back side also. This gave me a much better anti-twist of the
saddle.
This new lead screw is easy to set up with 2 screws for
special jobs. To cut a clock wheel with 144 teeth takes
time.?
One tooth wrong, you have to start again.
Good advice: Start with the biggest "wheel" first.
Johannes
Mexico
? ? ?
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Hi Mike
As you have seen on the other pictures (hopefully), there is a big wheel on the left side of the lathe, fastened to the spindle.
My wheel has a circumflex of 1502 mm, however the distance between the millimeter marks is also a mark, so I have 3004 "marks" . My eyes are not as they were, so I have put on a magnetifying glass.
So, if you are standing on the same foot, in the same position and use the same eye, you can get a good reading.
With the Excel program, it is easy to do the calculation. My reading of hundred is 0 or 5.
Ex.? 91,35?
On the picture you can see a thin red needle. If you put the 2 needles in line, it will be easier to do a good reading .
The relation between reading wheel and clock wheel is around 10:1.
However, it happens I have to make a new clock wheel.
/Johannes
Mexico
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
??? ??? Thats pretty slick., how are ya keeping track on the indexing when ya gut? gears ? Is there something on the other side of the spindle that locks in position ?
thanks
On 5/11/25 8:44 AM, Johannes wrote:
Hi
The nut is fastened on a little plate on the back side of the saddle.
The motor is a very cheap , higher speed water pump motor. Silent and strong enough for the job.
As you can see, I have replaced the original press board with a brass plate, it is longer and has an extra contact pressure on the outside of the bed-way. This is done on the back side also. This gave me a much better anti-twist of the saddle.
This new lead screw is easy to set up with 2 screws for special jobs. To cut a clock wheel with 144 teeth takes time.?
One tooth wrong, you have to start again.
Good advice: Start with the biggest "wheel" first.
Johannes
Mexico
? ? ?
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??? ??? Thats pretty slick., how are ya keeping track on the
indexing when ya gut? gears ? Is there something on the other side
of the spindle that locks in position ?
thanks
On 5/11/25 8:44 AM, Johannes wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Hi
The nut is fastened on a little plate on the back side of the
saddle.
The motor is a very cheap , higher speed water pump motor.
Silent and strong enough for the job.
As you can see, I have replaced the original press board with a
brass plate, it is longer and has an extra contact pressure on
the outside of the bed-way. This is done on the back side also.
This gave me a much better anti-twist of the saddle.
This new lead screw is easy to set up with 2 screws for special
jobs. To cut a clock wheel with 144 teeth takes time.?
One tooth wrong, you have to start again.
Good advice: Start with the biggest "wheel" first.
Johannes
Mexico
?
? ?
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Hi
The nut is fastened on a little plate on the back side of the saddle.
The motor is a very cheap , higher speed water pump motor. Silent and strong enough for the job.
As you can see, I have replaced the original press board with a brass plate, it is longer and has an extra contact pressure on the outside of the bed-way. This is done on the back side also. This gave me a much better anti-twist of the saddle.
This new lead screw is easy to set up with 2 screws for special jobs. To cut a clock wheel with 144 teeth takes time.?
One tooth wrong, you have to start again.
Good advice: Start with the biggest "wheel" first.
Johannes
Mexico
? ? ? ? 
?
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Nice job ! I'm guessin that theres a nut under the carriage/saddle somewhere . What motor are ya usin now for the spindle ?
thanks
animal
On 5/10/25 9:24 PM, Johannes wrote:
This is my last improvement to my 7x16:?
a 500 mm CNC T8 Leadscrew inside the bed-way, with a hand-crank outside.
My previous improvement in same subject was a hand-crank connected to original lead screw.
With this hand-crank the cutting is improved very much comparing to use the original hand wheel.
?
I am cutting clock wheels, so when I have cut one tooth, and have to return the cutter back for the next tooth, it has to be exactly same position, otherwise the tooth will be smaller. 0,1 mm is very visible.
Johannes
Mexico
?
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Nice job ! I'm guessin that theres a nut under the
carriage/saddle somewhere . What motor are ya usin now for the
spindle ?
thanks
animal
On 5/10/25 9:24 PM, Johannes wrote:
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This is my last improvement to my 7x16:?
a 500 mm CNC T8 Leadscrew inside the bed-way, with a hand-crank
outside.
My previous improvement in same subject was a hand-crank
connected to original lead screw.
With this hand-crank the cutting is improved very much comparing
to use the original hand wheel.
?
I am cutting clock wheels, so when I have cut one tooth, and
have to return the cutter back for the next tooth, it has to be
exactly same position, otherwise the tooth will be smaller. 0,1
mm is very visible.
Johannes
Mexico
?
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This is my last improvement to my 7x16:?
a 500 mm CNC T8 Leadscrew inside the bed-way, with a hand-crank outside.
My previous improvement in same subject was a hand-crank connected to original lead screw.
With this hand-crank the cutting is improved very much comparing to use the original hand wheel.
?
I am cutting clock wheels, so when I have cut one tooth, and have to return the cutter back for the next tooth, it has to be exactly same position, otherwise the tooth will be smaller. 0,1 mm is very visible.
Johannes
Mexico
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Re: Mysterious Starrett tools. What are they for?
'Tooling balls" are usually used as part of making setups by creating referencing points.
Tooling balls have a precision ground shank.??What Mike has is not tooling balls because they have knurled handles.? This is for holding them with one hand while you tap them with a hammer.with your other hand.
If somebody wants an idea of what tooling balls are, and how they are used, here is a YouTube on it.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Wednesday, April 30, 2025 at 05:37:45 PM PDT, Roy via groups.io <roylowenthal@...> wrote:
They look like, "tooling balls."?
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Roy
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Re: Mysterious Starrett tools. What are they for?
They look like, "tooling balls."?
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Roy
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I thought this was interesting.
Pierre
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Re: [LL] Mysterious Starrett tools. What are they for?
Something used as a lap must be able to "hold" the abrasive in a lapping compound or solution (which can be ludicrously fine diamonds such that the solution just looks like dirty water).? But the "lap" has to hold those particles which is why laps are usually softer metals with the hardest being maybe a nice grey cast iron like meehanite.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Tuesday, April 29, 2025 at 10:32:48 PM PDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
perhaps they were used for lapping ball seats ?
animal
On 4/29/25 10:11 PM, Miket_NYC via
groups.io wrote:
I bought these recently in a thrift store in New
Hampshire where I've bought many tools. They're made by Starrett
and each consists of a ball on the end of a knurled shaft.?
The balls are very precise. The small one is 1
1/2 thousandths
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smaller than 0.5" (an amount that could easily have been lost
over the decades). But the small ends of both shafts are
swollen and scarred from pounding, so these were apparently
intended to be pounded into something with hammers.
I have both a modern Starrett catalog and a 1936
catalog, and I don't see these listed,? either under measuring
tools or punches and similar things intended to be hit with
hammers. Also, they don't have part numbers, like most small
Starrett tools.
Initially, I thought a previous owner might have
welded or brazed the balls onto Starrett punches or something
like that, but that's apparently not true. It's clear, at
least on the large ball, that each ball and shaft is turned
from one piece of metal.
Any ideas? These gizmos were so cheap that I
couldn't pass them up, but I'm flummoxed about what they are
and what they could have been intended to be used for.
Mike Taglieri?
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Re: Mysterious Starrett tools. What are they for?
They look like dapping punches to me.? These are typically used with a mating block with an assortment of different sized recesses.? You can make little dome shapes in sheet metal.
What I have used them for is to make a hole in sheet metal a little smaller.? This may not be the intended purpose, but it works if you have a hole that is just a little oversize.? You back up the sheet metal on a solid flat surface, center a dapper punch that is much larger than the hole, and give it a hit or two with a hammer.? This compresses the metal a little and, with nowhere to go except to the interior of the hole, the hole shrinks a little.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Tuesday, April 29, 2025 at 10:12:05 PM PDT, Miket_NYC via groups.io <mctaglieri@...> wrote:
I bought these recently in a thrift store in New Hampshire where I've bought many tools. They're made by Starrett and each consists of a ball on the end of a knurled shaft.?
The balls are very precise. The small one is 1 1/2 thousandths ![]() smaller than 0.5" (an amount that could easily have been lost over the decades). But the small ends of both shafts are swollen and scarred from pounding, so these were apparently intended to be pounded into something with hammers.
I have both a modern Starrett catalog and a 1936 catalog, and I don't see these listed,? either under measuring tools or punches and similar things intended to be hit with hammers. Also, they don't have part numbers, like most small Starrett tools.
Initially, I thought a previous owner might have welded or brazed the balls onto Starrett punches or something like that, but that's apparently not true. It's clear, at least on the large ball, that each ball and shaft is turned from one piece of metal.
Any ideas? These gizmos were so cheap that I couldn't pass them up, but I'm flummoxed about what they are and what they could have been intended to be used for.
Mike Taglieri?
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Re: [LL] Mysterious Starrett tools. What are they for?
perhaps they were used for lapping ball seats ?
animal
On 4/29/25 10:11 PM, Miket_NYC via
groups.io wrote:
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I bought these recently in a thrift store in New
Hampshire where I've bought many tools. They're made by Starrett
and each consists of a ball on the end of a knurled shaft.?
The balls are very precise. The small one is 1
1/2 thousandths
smaller than 0.5" (an amount that could easily have been lost
over the decades). But the small ends of both shafts are
swollen and scarred from pounding, so these were apparently
intended to be pounded into something with hammers.
I have both a modern Starrett catalog and a 1936
catalog, and I don't see these listed,? either under measuring
tools or punches and similar things intended to be hit with
hammers. Also, they don't have part numbers, like most small
Starrett tools.
Initially, I thought a previous owner might have
welded or brazed the balls onto Starrett punches or something
like that, but that's apparently not true. It's clear, at
least on the large ball, that each ball and shaft is turned
from one piece of metal.
Any ideas? These gizmos were so cheap that I
couldn't pass them up, but I'm flummoxed about what they are
and what they could have been intended to be used for.
Mike Taglieri?
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Mysterious Starrett tools. What are they for?
I bought these recently in a thrift store in New Hampshire where I've bought many tools. They're made by Starrett and each consists of a ball on the end of a knurled shaft.?
The balls are very precise. The small one is 1 1/2 thousandths  smaller than 0.5" (an amount that could easily have been lost over the decades). But the small ends of both shafts are swollen and scarred from pounding, so these were apparently intended to be pounded into something with hammers.
I have both a modern Starrett catalog and a 1936 catalog, and I don't see these listed,? either under measuring tools or punches and similar things intended to be hit with hammers. Also, they don't have part numbers, like most small Starrett tools.
Initially, I thought a previous owner might have welded or brazed the balls onto Starrett punches or something like that, but that's apparently not true. It's clear, at least on the large ball, that each ball and shaft is turned from one piece of metal.
Any ideas? These gizmos were so cheap that I couldn't pass them up, but I'm flummoxed about what they are and what they could have been intended to be used for.
Mike Taglieri?
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Apologies for pressing some buttons, and sending everyone off in a tangent. Al was supposed to mean Aluminium or Aluminum of course. Lets redirect with parting thoughts.
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Evan
Lathe: 1955 Boxford Model A with screw cutting gearbox, power feed with several accessories, hand tools and a pillar drill press.
Try my Free Online Gear train Software:
You enter a thread pitch or TPI and it shows you a range of gear trains and gearbox setting to use and even a scale drawing of the gear train.
It also includes calculations for taper turning by the tailstock offset method, and cutting speeds.
It includes the specifications for many thread types eg metric, UNC, BSW, and BA.
Displays drill sizes for tapping threads at any percent thread depth (with full explanations).
My YouTube Channel and Playlist about using an engineers lathe: ?
Project to build a Greek Hero steam engine and measure its power output:?
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Dear machinists,
May I suggest that you continue your looooong discussion in front
a Guinness at the pub or in a restaurant around a shared tasty
lobster ?
I'm so sorry to interrupt this discussion but the link between
lathe and IA is not so evident in my opinion although, perhaps, of
a great interest for others.
Thanks a lot for your understanding.
Enjoy the Guinness of the lobster ! Regards.
On 29.04.25 14:22, WAM via groups.io
wrote:
You didn't read the link.? Read my ChatGPT transcript
where even it states it's not intelligence.
AI has been here since the Perceptron in the 50's. But the first
AI winter occurred when the hippies figured out it was all hype.
And then they went on to prove entanglement via? Bell's Inequality
in favor of Bohr over Einstein
?...
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You didn't read the link.? Read my ChatGPT transcript where even it states it's not intelligence.
AI has been here since the Perceptron in the 50's. But the first AI winter occurred when the hippies figured out it was all hype. And then they went on to prove entanglement via? Bell's Inequality in favor of Bohr over Einstein.
Smart bunch.
I design that hardware.? Just finished a PCB last week with an NVIDIA ORIN,? It's not intelligent.
Really read that first link.? I work with too many professors that agree - not intelligence.
As Prof Jones at Princeton states:
"Big part of what I've been working on has? been the rather remarkable rebranding of linear algebra and ml as AI. "? LLM's are an extension of what we used to call expert systems. Just that now any idiot can use them.
All it is... The NVIDIA CEO is starting to act like Dr. No from that Bond flick. Bitcoin mining went away; gotta do something to sell those math engines. One client I have actually met him, and it's been two years and NVIDIA's crew is still trying to get the stuff to work like they promised.
Naw man, it's a lot of BS...marketturds if you will.
As to engineering, machining, etc.. it can be very helpful as an expert system.? But it'll never have the creativity of a skilled machinist or engineer.
Just a parrot...
We're getting off topic here...? anyone got any cool mods to their lathe?
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On 4/29/2025 3:12 AM, Tony Smith via groups.io wrote: Man, that's some "old man yells at cloud" energy. Abe Simpson would be proud.
C'mon, you've seen this before. New tech over-hyped by its creators, with the "we'll all be doomed!" crowd yelling in the background. It'll be brain implants or cyborgs in another decade.
It happened for the internet (remember that fad?), computers, mobile phones, point-of-sale machines, TV, calculators, radio, books and probably even paper (if stone is good enough for God, it's good enough for the rest of us!).
While I don't disagree with you, like everything else AI is here to stay. So what if it's wrong, so is everything else.
Yeah it’ll make the kids stoopid, so did everything else. Especially jazz music.
But what if it stops working you say? Well, we said that about everything else as well. Imagine installing electronic cash registers and the power goes out! How will I pay? We'll all be doomed!
But what about AI slop? Well, as writer Theodore Sturgeon replied when asked if 90% of science fiction was crud, replied with "Sure, but 90% of everything is crud."
AI is just another tool. Like all tools it has its uses. I save stuff I find interesting, and on my PC a folder eventually had about 40,000 pictures in it. Of course I put them in subfolders, like clocks, boxes, etc. But I rarely renamed them, so most of them were called something like ergv45yb34tb3q4.jpg
Anyway, one day I fired up Google Gemini and set it loose on that folder. And it did a really good of identifying and renaming those images. Some were incredibly spot-on, like this:
“Alice in Wonderland Playing Card and Tea Party Silhouettes on a Purple Textured Background.jpg”
I mean yeah, that’s what it is.
It was kinda fascinating watching it work it way thru the images. Some names were funny, some were wrong, most were rather bland ("a cat cut out of wood") but better than what I had. At least now I could search for "cat" and find something.
As an aside go here: and download "Everything". It will index your PC and instantly find anything. It's very good. You can also set your own filters, eg I added one called "Vectors - ext:ai;cdr;dwg;dxf;svg" that returns files with those extensions.
I'll leave you to complain about them damn kids not learning cursive handwriting anymore (or any handwriting really), and toss in this as well:
Tony
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Stands for Any Idiot -
The tech industry has devolved into one driven by glitzy soundbites that mean
nothing, infested with a bunch of "Man Bun, Java Jockey, Pitiful Python Pirates"
whom were told by their parents that STEM was better than being an
archaeologist (or whatever line of work they really wanted to do [IF ANY]),
being led around by their nose (and promises of BMW's and sapphire martinis
at happy hour) by a clownfest of technically illiterate, greedy business monkeys.
This is getting more endemic across the tech arena in general.
Why AI Will Never Really Exist... AI = Any Idiot... That's what AI really means.
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"Generative AI, Bull$^# as a Service"
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And it's true. The amount of really bad info on the internet - like soldering to
LiPo batteries or replacing a high pressure hose fitting with a Home Depot hose
clamp - makes me think THAT's how AI will kill us off. By feeding on bad info
and stoopid people will believe it.
Add to that the "MAD COW" disease - Model autophagy disorder (see this at
Cornell - <> )
Press Pause on the Silicon Valley Hype Machine
<> <> > chatgpt-overrated-hype.html
"Why Is AI So Dumb" IEEE SPECTRUM
<> <> > k2fpbs6N3DtYaBiMqsYFKnCmQa1r8wSoHxF16fAOhe3kBiQL7Bg=
Professor Matthew Jones of Princeton on C-SPAN titled "The History of AI"
where at the end he mentions the term "parroting".
<>
Note he also mentioned to me the "Big part of what I've been working on has
been the rather remarkable rebranding of linear algebra and ml as AI. "
On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots" | Proceedings of the 2021 ACM
Conference on Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency
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Wall Street Asks If AI's Juice Is Worth The Squeeze Analysts and one very
prominent AI academic think the bubble is about to burst.
<> <> > squeeze.html
Has the AI bubble burst? Wall Street wonders if artificial intelligence will ever
make money <> <> > will-ai-ever-make-money/index.html
“In the information society, nobody thinks. We expected to banish paper, but
we actually banished thought.”
~~ Michael Crichton, Jurassic Park
"Two percent of the people think,
Three percent of the people think they think, And ninety-five percent of the
people would rather die than think."
~~ George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic
building block of the universe.
I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic
building block of the universe."
~~ Frank Zappa (1940-1993)
On 4/28/2025 3:29 AM, Ellis Cory via groups.io wrote:
Hi everyone. I expect most of us have charts etc that give us all the information we need.
In any case, I thought AI stood for – Artificial Incompetence !!!
Ellis
I know AI is all the rage, but it is not difficult to part with Artificial Intelligence.
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Evan
Lathe: 1955 Boxford Model A with screw cutting gearbox, power feed with several accessories, hand tools and a pillar drill press.
Try my Free Online Gear train Software:
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It also includes calculations for taper turning by the tailstock offset method, and cutting speeds.
It includes the specifications for many thread types eg metric, UNC, BSW, and BA.
Displays drill sizes for tapping threads at any percent thread depth (with full explanations).
My YouTube Channel and Playlist about using an engineers lathe:
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Hi Tony et al. ? As usual, 50% of anything new is excellent and 50% is absolute dangerous rubbish. ? The trick is knowing which 50% is which !!! ? ????????????????? Ellis ? ? ? Man, that's some "old man yells at cloud" energy.? Abe Simpson would be proud. ? C'mon, you've seen this before.? New tech over-hyped by its creators, with the "we'll all be doomed!" crowd yelling in the background.? It'll be brain implants or cyborgs in another decade. ? It happened for the internet (remember that fad?), computers, mobile phones, point-of-sale machines, TV, calculators, radio, books and probably even paper (if stone is good enough for God, it's good enough for the rest of us!). ? While I don't disagree with you, like everything else AI is here to stay.? So what if it's wrong, so is everything else. ? Yeah it’ll make the kids stoopid, so did everything else. ?Especially jazz music. ? But what if it stops working you say?? Well, we said that about everything else as well.? Imagine installing electronic cash registers and the power goes out!? How will I pay?? We'll all be doomed! ? But what about AI slop?? Well, as writer Theodore Sturgeon replied when asked if 90% of science fiction was crud, replied with "Sure, but 90% of everything is crud." ? AI is just another tool.? Like all tools it has its uses.? I save stuff I find interesting, and on my PC a folder eventually had about 40,000 pictures in it.? Of course I put them in subfolders, like clocks, boxes, etc.? But I rarely renamed them, so most of them were called something like ergv45yb34tb3q4.jpg ? Anyway, one day I fired up Google Gemini and set it loose on that folder.? And it did a really good of identifying and renaming those images.? Some were incredibly spot-on, like this: ? 
? “Alice in Wonderland Playing Card and Tea Party Silhouettes on a Purple Textured Background.jpg” ? I mean yeah, that’s what it is. ? It was kinda fascinating watching it work it way thru the images.? Some names were funny, some were wrong, most were rather bland ("a cat cut out of wood") but better than what I had.? At least now I could search for "cat" and find something. ? As an aside go here: and download "Everything".? It will index your PC and instantly find anything.? It's very good.? You can also set your own filters, eg I added one called "Vectors - ext:ai;cdr;dwg;dxf;svg" that returns files with those extensions. ? I'll leave you to complain about them damn kids not learning cursive handwriting anymore (or any handwriting really), and toss in this as well: ? Tony
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Johannes
Evan