Re: Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
There was some clown in NYC that is going to jail because he was marking up masked 1800% and selling them to doctors.?
I’m a believer in the free market, but these kinds of things are different.?
Personally, I have very mixed feelings about these laws. Intentionally exploiting others suffering for excess profit is a problem that should be dealt with.
But these laws can cause more harm than good.
I remember years ago, after a hurricane, a guy was charged with price gouging and his product impounded.? The fully story was - he was unemployed and lived up north in the central US.? He maxed out his credit cards, rented a moving truck, and filled it with generators he bought at the "big box" stores in his area.? He brought them down to the area of the hurricane and was selling them out of the truck for 2x their normal price.? Personally, I think what he was doing was outstanding.? I would happily pay 2x under those circumstances because that would be the only way I could get a generator.? ?If you consider his total cost and profit per hour, his prices and profit in that situation was very reasonable.? Yet the government found it necessary to protect us from him.
What about masks produced today through inefficient means?? At 2x the cost, I'm sure they found find inefficient ways to boost production.? But apparently we must be protected from activities like that, which would would increase the supply of critical goods.
Sometimes the cure for high prices, is high prices.? Obscene profit attracts innovators who find creative ways to increase supply.
As for these overpriced masks, presumably the odds are in favor with you guys's suspicions.? Its likely just another case of of marking up as much as he can to make extra $.? If so, that's irritating.? ?But its also irritating that society is willing to harm us all (with artificially low supply of critical goods) in the name of punishing a few bad actors.
I'm not trying to be critical of the warnings posted about the link.? It think you guys' caution is well justified.? I'm just irritated about what I see as some misguided laws.
ok, rant over.? I'll shut up now :)
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:43 AM Jim Frame < jhframe@...> wrote: It likely varies by state, but in CA it's basically an increase in price
greater than 10% during a declared emergency.
On 4/27/2020 8:30 AM, Jim.Klessig@... wrote:
> While I agree, with most of the comments, what *exactly* is the
> difference between market demand based pricing, and price gouging?
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Re: Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
Personally, I have very mixed feelings about these laws. Intentionally exploiting others suffering for excess profit is a problem that should be dealt with.
But these laws can cause more harm than good.
I remember years ago, after a hurricane, a guy was charged with price gouging and his product impounded.? The fully story was - he was unemployed and lived up north in the central US.? He maxed out his credit cards, rented a moving truck, and filled it with generators he bought at the "big box" stores in his area.? He brought them down to the area of the hurricane and was selling them out of the truck for 2x their normal price.? Personally, I think what he was doing was outstanding.? I would happily pay 2x under those circumstances because that would be the only way I could get a generator.? ?If you consider his total cost and profit per hour, his prices and profit in that situation was very reasonable.? Yet the government found it necessary to protect us from him.
What about masks produced today through inefficient means?? At 2x the cost, I'm sure they found find inefficient ways to boost production.? But apparently we must be protected from activities like that, which would would increase the supply of critical goods.
Sometimes the cure for high prices, is high prices.? Obscene profit attracts innovators who find creative ways to increase supply.
As for these overpriced masks, presumably the odds are in favor with you guys's suspicions.? Its likely just another case of of marking up as much as he can to make extra $.? If so, that's irritating.? ?But its also irritating that society is willing to harm us all (with artificially low supply of critical goods) in the name of punishing a few bad actors.
I'm not trying to be critical of the warnings posted about the link.? It think you guys' caution is well justified.? I'm just irritated about what I see as some misguided laws.
ok, rant over.? I'll shut up now :)
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:43 AM Jim Frame < jhframe@...> wrote: It likely varies by state, but in CA it's basically an increase in price
greater than 10% during a declared emergency.
On 4/27/2020 8:30 AM, Jim.Klessig@... wrote:
> While I agree, with most of the comments, what *exactly* is the
> difference between market demand based pricing, and price gouging?
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Re: Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
It likely varies by state, but in CA it's basically an increase in price greater than 10% during a declared emergency.
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Re: Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
>It's illegal to price gouge these items right now, like this guy is doing.
> In my state, the Attorney General has been filing charges against scum that are marking up PPE to exorbitant prices.
While I agree, with most of the comments, what exactly is the difference between market demand based pricing, and price gouging?
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OTOH the guy does not even appear to be a member of the group.
At least a search in the directory yielded nothing for me in his regard, so he may already be a moot point.
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Re: Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
Hi, i am sorry to disturb you here, just want to let people know us more, we have 5x6 bandsaw machine in our production, we're come from Taiwan. Would like to collect market information for the small bandsaw. We're looking for owner of small bandsaw, we will not keep post useless information here~~~
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Re: Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
Can we vote to kick this guy out?
Damn, maybe he had a garage full of TP too.
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:16 PM Greg Kopp < gregkopp@...> wrote:
It's illegal to price gouge these items
right now, like this guy is doing. In my state, the Attorney General has
been filing charges against scum that are marking up PPE to exorbitant
prices.
mrbill@... wrote on 4/26/20 8:04 PM:
I don't know about y'all, but this one smells bad. I did a Google
search and found nothing for ISC Select. Prices look high to me. Proceed
at your own risk!
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Date: 4/26/2020
6:18:09 PM
Subject:
[4x6bandsaw] Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight
Coronavirus
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Hey everyone,
I am offering
everyone in this group a discount of 10% OFF and free shipping for FDA
approved medical masks and other products related to coronavirus.?
The
website is?and the discount
code is 10OFF4x6bandsaw to get 10% OFF and free shipping.
Thanks!
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Re: Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
How did this blatant ad get posted here?
-Dave
On Sunday, April 26, 2020, 10:42:08 PM PDT, RF Sales <rongfu@...> wrote:
Hi, Everyone in , we're new in here and would like to introduce our self to all of you. We're bandsaw and Mill/Drill maker from Taiwan. Rong Fu is not a new company , it starts since 1975 with only 10 people, main product is vise. By 1979, we were also producing 4-1/2" metal cutting band saw and for the domestic and overseas markets.
It's been over 40 years company, we have a lots of product but mainly still producing conventional bandsaw & Mill/Drill machine, our business expend globally, business with over 40 countries, north US,Canada, European...are our main market.
Challenge always exist no matter how we fight with market, it won't go away especially the competition very high in the conventional machine tool industrial like us. China machine maker is another challenge, Rong Fu will still keep going on and remain the same faith to offer best machine to our global customer!! check our web site to get more information
#Rong Fu 5"x6" bandsaw machine
#Portable bandsaw machine
#Metal cutting bandsaw machine
#Taiwan bandsaw machine maker
#5" bandsaw
#5 inches metal cutting
#G1010
#G9742
#HVBS-56M
#RF-128
#2LKT4A
#ENCO
#4x6 Bandsaw
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Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
Hi, Everyone in , we're new in here and would like to introduce our self to all of you. We're bandsaw and Mill/Drill maker from Taiwan. Rong Fu is not a new company , it starts since 1975 with only 10 people, main product is vise. By 1979, we were also producing 4-1/2" metal cutting band saw and for the domestic and overseas markets.
It's been over 40 years company, we have a lots of product but mainly still producing conventional bandsaw & Mill/Drill machine, our business expend globally, business with over 40 countries, north US,Canada, European...are our main market.
Challenge always exist no matter how we fight with market, it won't go away especially the competition very high in the conventional machine tool industrial like us. China machine maker is another challenge, Rong Fu will still keep going on and remain the same faith to offer best machine to our global customer!! check our web site to get more information
#Rong Fu 5"x6" bandsaw machine
#Portable bandsaw machine
#Metal cutting bandsaw machine
#Taiwan bandsaw machine maker
#5" bandsaw
#5 inches metal cutting
#G1010
#G9742
#HVBS-56M
#RF-128
#2LKT4A
#ENCO
#4x6 Bandsaw
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Re: Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
Damn, maybe he had a garage full of TP too.
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:16 PM Greg Kopp < gregkopp@...> wrote:
It's illegal to price gouge these items
right now, like this guy is doing. In my state, the Attorney General has
been filing charges against scum that are marking up PPE to exorbitant
prices.
mrbill@... wrote on 4/26/20 8:04 PM:
I don't know about y'all, but this one smells bad. I did a Google
search and found nothing for ISC Select. Prices look high to me. Proceed
at your own risk!
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Message-------
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Date: 4/26/2020
6:18:09 PM
Subject:
[4x6bandsaw] Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight
Coronavirus
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Hey everyone,
I am offering
everyone in this group a discount of 10% OFF and free shipping for FDA
approved medical masks and other products related to coronavirus.?
The
website is?and the discount
code is 10OFF4x6bandsaw to get 10% OFF and free shipping.
Thanks!
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Re: Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
It's illegal to price gouge these items
right now, like this guy is doing. In my state, the Attorney General has
been filing charges against scum that are marking up PPE to exorbitant
prices.
mrbill@... wrote on 4/26/20 8:04 PM:
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I don't know about y'all, but this one smells bad. I did a Google
search and found nothing for ISC Select. Prices look high to me. Proceed
at your own risk!
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-------Original
Message-------
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Date: 4/26/2020
6:18:09 PM
Subject:
[4x6bandsaw] Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight
Coronavirus
?
Hey everyone,
I am offering
everyone in this group a discount of 10% OFF and free shipping for FDA
approved medical masks and other products related to coronavirus.?
The
website is?and the discount
code is 10OFF4x6bandsaw to get 10% OFF and free shipping.
Thanks!
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Re: Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
That is insanely high priced.
When I was still buying PPE, 3M 8210’s (N95) were less than a buck a copy, if you bought them by the case.
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Bill
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On Behalf Of mrbill@...
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 5:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
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I don't know about y'all, but this one smells bad. I did a Google search and found nothing for ISC Select. Prices look high to me. Proceed at your own risk!
-------Original Message-------
Date: 4/26/2020 6:18:09 PM
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Discount Code For Medical
Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
Hey everyone,
I am offering everyone in this group a discount of 10% OFF and free shipping for FDA approved medical masks and other products related to coronavirus.?
The website is?and
the discount code is 10OFF4x6bandsaw to get 10% OFF and free shipping.
Thanks!
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Re: Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
I don't know about y'all, but this one smells bad. I did a Google search and found nothing for ISC Select. Prices look high to me. Proceed at your own risk!
?
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Show quoted text
-------Original Message-------
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Date: 4/26/2020 6:18:09 PM
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
?
Hey everyone,
I am offering everyone in this group a discount of 10% OFF and free shipping for FDA approved medical masks and other products related to coronavirus.?
The website is?and the discount code is 10OFF4x6bandsaw to get 10% OFF and free shipping.
Thanks!
?
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Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
Hey everyone,
I am offering everyone in this group a discount of 10% OFF and free shipping for FDA approved medical masks and other products related to coronavirus.?
The website is?and the discount code is 10OFF4x6bandsaw to get 10% OFF and free shipping.
Thanks!
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Re: Corona lockdown challenge
There we go!
The important part!
Nice! And, a lotta bricks!
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On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:
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The section with the loading dock.? :)
All pictures here if you want to follow the construction
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On Apr 23, 2020, at 18:31, Bill Armstrong < bill_1955@...> wrote:
So.....you didn't get a pic of the important part of the new house.......
;)
Bill
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Corona lockdown challenge
I got a short break here to work on getting rid of stuff here, but now
our house contractors are back to work with a special work permit.? This
leads to things like the late night DING DING DING on my phone, they
need an updated drawing for something NOW.? Problem being half a world
away from the construction site.
On the plus side, it's coming along nicely.
On the other hand, just got the electrician's bill.? Their base price is
for one outlet per room.? I blew past that even in the pantry!? :)? But,
this is a top-rated electrical contractor so it will be done right.
The main part of our project at the link below.? The machine shop is a 1
story section off the right edge of the picture.
On 4/23/20 5:18 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
? I don't really need another stand for the bandsaw , but I do need a
log dragging device to pull behind my yard tractor ... problem is that
my work load didn't change because of the virus . The still under
construction house still needs work , bees need tending , garden takes
up some time too . Then there are all those trees out there that have
been marked for firewood for next winter . A country boy can survive ,
but it's a lot of work !
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On 4/23/2020 8:41 PM, mike allen wrote:
??? ??? I've seen quite a few log arches on pinterest . I haven't decided on exactly what I want for mine , still gettin ideas here . I don't have bees but I'm right there with ya on the rest Terry
??? ??? animal
On 4/23/2020 5:18 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 4/23/2020 6:01 PM, John Vreede wrote:
? I don't really need another stand for the bandsaw , but I do need a log dragging device to pull behind my yard tractor ... problem is that my work load didn't change because of the virus . The still under construction house still needs work , bees need tending , garden takes up some time too . Then there are all those trees out there that have been marked for firewood for next winter . A country boy can survive , but it's a lot of work !
? I have a pretty good idea what I want , I just need to find some material for the main beam section . I don't have any stock that will work right now . ? -- ? Snag
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Re: Corona lockdown challenge
So a tree stump cut to the proper height with a couple of big nails in it won't be acceptable? ;-)
(Not that it's what I use...)
-Dave
On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 04:01:52 PM PDT, John Vreede <vreededesign@...> wrote:
Hey all
Nice to see new members and Bill's welcome comment about cutting up a 'big pile of metal' stirred something in my head.
Everyone likes to make?stuff, and if you're going to cut up 'big metal', you need a couple stands either side of the saw.?
Most of us are stuck at home with the coronavirus just now, which gives us the time, if not necessarily the access to materials, to do something.
The challenge then is to make a couple of stands from what ever you have in your scrap pile.?
Here's the design criteria:
? ?1. They've got to support a 10' (3m) length of 2" steel pipe
? ?2. 3 point contact on ground, so they're stable
? ?3. Can be set to the exact height of the saw vice-table
? ?4. Fold up, so can you can store them easily
? ?5. Have something to stop the stuff you're going to cut from rolling off the top
The only rule is you got to make with only the bandsaw, a welder and hand tools (incl electric handtools)? +?whatever materials, hardware, glue etc you have to hand.
Are you up for it?
As a start point I'll attach a photo and the design of my stands which were made to those criteria and rules except I was able to buy the materials at the time.? They took me a couple of hours to make and are pretty simple.
I know this will favour those with bigger scrap piles, but that needn't stop you from treating it like an exercise in survival skills, having to make-do.?
Hopefully someone will do an even simpler design, and one for swivel-based saws too.
In the end we'll have fun and there will be new designs of neat stuff to build.
Who could ask for more? A bottle of Corona to celebrate? - jv
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??? ??? I've seen quite a few log arches on pinterest . I haven't
decided on exactly what I want for mine , still gettin ideas here
. I don't have bees but I'm right there with ya on the rest Terry
??? ??? animal
On 4/23/2020 5:18 PM, Terry Coombs
wrote:
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On 4/23/2020 6:01 PM, John Vreede
wrote:
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? I don't really need another stand for the bandsaw , but I do
need a log dragging device to pull behind my yard tractor ...
problem is that my work load didn't change because of the virus .
The still under construction house still needs work , bees need
tending , garden takes up some time too . Then there are all those
trees out there that have been marked for firewood for next winter
. A country boy can survive , but it's a lot of work !
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Re: Corona lockdown challenge
The section with the loading dock.? :)
All pictures here if you want to follow the construction
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Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. +1 408 356-3886
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So.....you didn't get a pic of the important part of the new house.......
;)
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Corona lockdown challenge
I got a short break here to work on getting rid of stuff here, but now
our house contractors are back to work with a special work permit.? This
leads to things like the late night DING DING DING on my phone, they
need an updated drawing for something NOW.? Problem being half a world
away from the construction site.
On the plus side, it's coming along nicely.
On the other hand, just got the electrician's bill.? Their base price is
for one outlet per room.? I blew past that even in the pantry!? :)? But,
this is a top-rated electrical contractor so it will be done right.
The main part of our project at the link below.? The machine shop is a 1
story section off the right edge of the picture.
On 4/23/20 5:18 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
? I don't really need another stand for the bandsaw , but I do need a
log dragging device to pull behind my yard tractor ... problem is that
my work load didn't change because of the virus . The still under
construction house still needs work , bees need tending , garden takes
up some time too . Then there are all those trees out there that have
been marked for firewood for next winter . A country boy can survive ,
but it's a lot of work !
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Henry
Jerry Durand