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DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question


 

Good morning,
My posting is around how SSR#1 impacts Interdiction.?

Situation:
-? SSR#1 says that "Due to dawn low visibility conditions, FFMO (A4.6) is NA for the scenario."??
-? From A10.53 Interdiction:??A routing unit which enters an Open Ground hex without Low Crawl, in both the LOS and Normal Range of an unbroken enemy unit capable of fire on it in that hex with at least one FP without any form of LOS Hindrance, is subject to a NMC and everything that normally entails.
-? From A10.54 Open Ground:??For purposes of rout determination, Dash, concealment gain/loss, and Interdiction, an Open Ground hex is any hex in which?the particular enemy unit(s) could apply, during a hypothetical Defensive First Fire opportunity (regardless of what attacks it actually made in previous phases), the -1 FFMO DRM.

Conclusion:? Due to SSR #1, units can now route across streets, etc. without the risk of Interdiction (assumes they follow all the other routing direction rules).??

Question:? Is the conclusion correct?

How are others interpreting this and playing it?

Thanks,
Derek


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Follow up. Better question is, was that designer intent? As you correctly point out Derek, that is the impact of the rule. Tom Morin?
Carl?



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-------- Original message --------
From: Derek Dunn <derek01890@...>
Date: 1/16/21 11:26 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question

Good morning,
My posting is around how SSR#1 impacts Interdiction.?

Situation:
-? SSR#1 says that "Due to dawn low visibility conditions, FFMO (A4.6) is NA for the scenario."??
-? From A10.53 Interdiction:??A routing unit which enters an Open Ground hex without Low Crawl, in both the LOS and Normal Range of an unbroken enemy unit capable of fire on it in that hex with at least one FP without any form of LOS Hindrance, is subject to a NMC and everything that normally entails.
-? From A10.54 Open Ground:??For purposes of rout determination, Dash, concealment gain/loss, and Interdiction, an Open Ground hex is any hex in which?the particular enemy unit(s) could apply, during a hypothetical Defensive First Fire opportunity (regardless of what attacks it actually made in previous phases), the -1 FFMO DRM.

Conclusion:? Due to SSR #1, units can now route across streets, etc. without the risk of Interdiction (assumes they follow all the other routing direction rules).??

Question:? Is the conclusion correct?

How are others interpreting this and playing it?

Thanks,
Derek


 

Great question, Carl.? I have noticed that some rules, when saying FFMO doesn't apply, specifically say that it still DOES apply to things like Interdiction, Residual, etc.? Would love to know the designer's intent.
Derek


 

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Carl,
My copy of Morning Massacre, DB 157 has Ted Wilcox as the Scenario Designer, not Tom Morin.
I am guessing mine is not a misprint but you could have some insider information that I do not have.
Best,
Mitch

On Jan 16, 2021, at 11:32 AM, chnogueira via <Chnogueira@...> wrote:

Follow up. Better question is, was that designer intent? As you correctly point out Derek, that is the impact of the rule. Tom Morin?
Carl?



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-------- Original message --------
From: Derek Dunn <derek01890@...>?
Date: 1/16/21 11:26 AM (GMT-05:00)?
Subject: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question?

Good morning,
My posting is around how SSR#1 impacts Interdiction.??

Situation:
-? SSR#1 says that "Due to dawn low visibility conditions, FFMO (A4.6) is NA for the scenario."??
-? From A10.53 Interdiction:??A routing unit which enters an Open Ground hex without Low Crawl, in both the LOS and Normal Range of an unbroken enemy unit capable of fire on it in that hex with at least one FP without any form of LOS Hindrance, is subject to a NMC and everything that normally entails.?
-? From A10.54 Open Ground:??For purposes of rout determination, Dash, concealment gain/loss, and Interdiction, an Open Ground hex is any hex in which?the particular enemy unit(s) could apply, during a hypothetical Defensive First Fire opportunity (regardless of what attacks it actually made in previous phases), the -1 FFMO DRM.

Conclusion:? Due to SSR #1, units can now route across streets, etc. without the risk of Interdiction (assumes they follow all the other routing direction rules).??

Question:? Is the conclusion correct?

How are others interpreting this and playing it?

Thanks,
Derek


chnogueira
 

No, but Tom is pretty much involved with the development of all the Dispatches scenarios. So to amend my initial email. Ted/Tom.
Thanks,
Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Abrams <mhabrams@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2021 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question

Carl,
My copy of Morning Massacre, DB 157 has Ted Wilcox as the Scenario Designer, not Tom Morin.
I am guessing mine is not a misprint but you could have some insider information that I do not have.
Best,
Mitch

On Jan 16, 2021, at 11:32 AM, chnogueira via <Chnogueira@...> wrote:

Follow up. Better question is, was that designer intent? As you correctly point out Derek, that is the impact of the rule. Tom Morin?
Carl?



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Derek Dunn <derek01890@...>?
Date: 1/16/21 11:26 AM (GMT-05:00)?
Subject: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question?

Good morning,
My posting is around how SSR#1 impacts Interdiction.??

Situation:
-? SSR#1 says that "Due to dawn low visibility conditions, FFMO (A4.6) is NA for the scenario."??
-? From A10.53 Interdiction:??A routing unit which enters an Open Ground hex without Low Crawl, in both the LOS and Normal Range of an unbroken enemy unit capable of fire on it in that hex with at least one FP without any form of LOS Hindrance, is subject to a NMC and everything that normally entails.?
-? From A10.54 Open Ground:??For purposes of rout determination, Dash, concealment gain/loss, and Interdiction, an Open Ground hex is any hex in which?the particular enemy unit(s) could apply, during a hypothetical Defensive First Fire opportunity (regardless of what attacks it actually made in previous phases), the -1 FFMO DRM.

Conclusion:? Due to SSR #1, units can now route across streets, etc. without the risk of Interdiction (assumes they follow all the other routing direction rules).??

Question:? Is the conclusion correct?

How are others interpreting this and playing it?

Thanks,
Derek


 

I asked Ted this same question when it came up.? Yes, this permits routing through otherwise open ground and avoids interdiction.


On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 1:59 PM chnogueira via <Chnogueira=[email protected]> wrote:
No, but Tom is pretty much involved with the development of all the Dispatches scenarios. So to amend my initial email. Ted/Tom.
Thanks,
Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Abrams <mhabrams@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2021 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question

Carl,
My copy of Morning Massacre, DB 157 has Ted Wilcox as the Scenario Designer, not Tom Morin.
I am guessing mine is not a misprint but you could have some insider information that I do not have.
Best,
Mitch

On Jan 16, 2021, at 11:32 AM, chnogueira via <Chnogueira@...> wrote:

Follow up. Better question is, was that designer intent? As you correctly point out Derek, that is the impact of the rule. Tom Morin?
Carl?



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Derek Dunn <derek01890@...>?
Date: 1/16/21 11:26 AM (GMT-05:00)?
Subject: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question?

Good morning,
My posting is around how SSR#1 impacts Interdiction.??

Situation:
-? SSR#1 says that "Due to dawn low visibility conditions, FFMO (A4.6) is NA for the scenario."??
-? From A10.53 Interdiction:??A routing unit which enters an Open Ground hex without Low Crawl, in both the LOS and Normal Range of an unbroken enemy unit capable of fire on it in that hex with at least one FP without any form of LOS Hindrance, is subject to a NMC and everything that normally entails.?
-? From A10.54 Open Ground:??For purposes of rout determination, Dash, concealment gain/loss, and Interdiction, an Open Ground hex is any hex in which?the particular enemy unit(s) could apply, during a hypothetical Defensive First Fire opportunity (regardless of what attacks it actually made in previous phases), the -1 FFMO DRM.

Conclusion:? Due to SSR #1, units can now route across streets, etc. without the risk of Interdiction (assumes they follow all the other routing direction rules).??

Question:? Is the conclusion correct?

How are others interpreting this and playing it?

Thanks,
Derek



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Awesome. Thanks Chuck.
Carl?



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Chuck Tewksbury <chuck.tewksbury@...>
Date: 1/16/21 3:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question

I asked Ted this same question when it came up.? Yes, this permits routing through otherwise open ground and avoids interdiction.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 1:59 PM chnogueira via <Chnogueira=[email protected]> wrote:
No, but Tom is pretty much involved with the development of all the Dispatches scenarios. So to amend my initial email. Ted/Tom.
Thanks,
Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Abrams <mhabrams@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2021 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question

Carl,
My copy of Morning Massacre, DB 157 has Ted Wilcox as the Scenario Designer, not Tom Morin.
I am guessing mine is not a misprint but you could have some insider information that I do not have.
Best,
Mitch

On Jan 16, 2021, at 11:32 AM, chnogueira via <Chnogueira@...> wrote:

Follow up. Better question is, was that designer intent? As you correctly point out Derek, that is the impact of the rule. Tom Morin?
Carl?



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Derek Dunn <derek01890@...>?
Date: 1/16/21 11:26 AM (GMT-05:00)?
Subject: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question?

Good morning,
My posting is around how SSR#1 impacts Interdiction.??

Situation:
-? SSR#1 says that "Due to dawn low visibility conditions, FFMO (A4.6) is NA for the scenario."??
-? From A10.53 Interdiction:??A routing unit which enters an Open Ground hex without Low Crawl, in both the LOS and Normal Range of an unbroken enemy unit capable of fire on it in that hex with at least one FP without any form of LOS Hindrance, is subject to a NMC and everything that normally entails.?
-? From A10.54 Open Ground:??For purposes of rout determination, Dash, concealment gain/loss, and Interdiction, an Open Ground hex is any hex in which?the particular enemy unit(s) could apply, during a hypothetical Defensive First Fire opportunity (regardless of what attacks it actually made in previous phases), the -1 FFMO DRM.

Conclusion:? Due to SSR #1, units can now route across streets, etc. without the risk of Interdiction (assumes they follow all the other routing direction rules).??

Question:? Is the conclusion correct?

How are others interpreting this and playing it?

Thanks,
Derek



--
Chuck T
chuck.tewksbury@...
google voice:(657) 888-3957


 

Thanks, Chuck.


On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 3:40 PM chnogueira via <Chnogueira=[email protected]> wrote:
Awesome. Thanks Chuck.
Carl?



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Chuck Tewksbury <chuck.tewksbury@...>
Date: 1/16/21 3:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question

I asked Ted this same question when it came up.? Yes, this permits routing through otherwise open ground and avoids interdiction.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 1:59 PM chnogueira via <Chnogueira=[email protected]> wrote:
No, but Tom is pretty much involved with the development of all the Dispatches scenarios. So to amend my initial email. Ted/Tom.
Thanks,
Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Abrams <mhabrams@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2021 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question

Carl,
My copy of Morning Massacre, DB 157 has Ted Wilcox as the Scenario Designer, not Tom Morin.
I am guessing mine is not a misprint but you could have some insider information that I do not have.
Best,
Mitch

On Jan 16, 2021, at 11:32 AM, chnogueira via <Chnogueira@...> wrote:

Follow up. Better question is, was that designer intent? As you correctly point out Derek, that is the impact of the rule. Tom Morin?
Carl?



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Derek Dunn <derek01890@...>?
Date: 1/16/21 11:26 AM (GMT-05:00)?
Subject: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question?

Good morning,
My posting is around how SSR#1 impacts Interdiction.??

Situation:
-? SSR#1 says that "Due to dawn low visibility conditions, FFMO (A4.6) is NA for the scenario."??
-? From A10.53 Interdiction:??A routing unit which enters an Open Ground hex without Low Crawl, in both the LOS and Normal Range of an unbroken enemy unit capable of fire on it in that hex with at least one FP without any form of LOS Hindrance, is subject to a NMC and everything that normally entails.?
-? From A10.54 Open Ground:??For purposes of rout determination, Dash, concealment gain/loss, and Interdiction, an Open Ground hex is any hex in which?the particular enemy unit(s) could apply, during a hypothetical Defensive First Fire opportunity (regardless of what attacks it actually made in previous phases), the -1 FFMO DRM.

Conclusion:? Due to SSR #1, units can now route across streets, etc. without the risk of Interdiction (assumes they follow all the other routing direction rules).??

Question:? Is the conclusion correct?

How are others interpreting this and playing it?

Thanks,
Derek



--
Chuck T
chuck.tewksbury@...
google voice:(657) 888-3957


 

Roger that, thank you.

Tom

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 11:26 AM Derek Dunn <derek01890@...> wrote:
Good morning,
My posting is around how SSR#1 impacts Interdiction.?

Situation:
-? SSR#1 says that "Due to dawn low visibility conditions, FFMO (A4.6) is NA for the scenario."??
-? From A10.53 Interdiction:??A routing unit which enters an Open Ground hex without Low Crawl, in both the LOS and Normal Range of an unbroken enemy unit capable of fire on it in that hex with at least one FP without any form of LOS Hindrance, is subject to a NMC and everything that normally entails.
-? From A10.54 Open Ground:??For purposes of rout determination, Dash, concealment gain/loss, and Interdiction, an Open Ground hex is any hex in which?the particular enemy unit(s) could apply, during a hypothetical Defensive First Fire opportunity (regardless of what attacks it actually made in previous phases), the -1 FFMO DRM.

Conclusion:? Due to SSR #1, units can now route across streets, etc. without the risk of Interdiction (assumes they follow all the other routing direction rules).??

Question:? Is the conclusion correct?

How are others interpreting this and playing it?

Thanks,
Derek


 




-----Original Message-----
From: Derek Dunn <derek01890@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2021 11:53 am
Subject: Re: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question

Great question, Carl.? I have noticed that some rules, when saying FFMO doesn't apply, specifically say that it still DOES apply to things like Interdiction, Residual, etc.? Would love to know the designer's intent.
Derek


 

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-------- Original message --------
From: "chnogueira via groups.io" <Chnogueira@...>
Date: 1/16/21 1:59 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: mhabrams@..., [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question

No, but Tom is pretty much involved with the development of all the Dispatches scenarios. So to amend my initial email. Ted/Tom.
Thanks,
Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Abrams <mhabrams@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2021 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question

Carl,
My copy of Morning Massacre, DB 157 has Ted Wilcox as the Scenario Designer, not Tom Morin.
I am guessing mine is not a misprint but you could have some insider information that I do not have.
Best,
Mitch

On Jan 16, 2021, at 11:32 AM, chnogueira via <Chnogueira@...> wrote:

Follow up. Better question is, was that designer intent? As you correctly point out Derek, that is the impact of the rule. Tom Morin?
Carl?



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Derek Dunn <derek01890@...>?
Date: 1/16/21 11:26 AM (GMT-05:00)?
Subject: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question?

Good morning,
My posting is around how SSR#1 impacts Interdiction.??

Situation:
-? SSR#1 says that "Due to dawn low visibility conditions, FFMO (A4.6) is NA for the scenario."??
-? From A10.53 Interdiction:??A routing unit which enters an Open Ground hex without Low Crawl, in both the LOS and Normal Range of an unbroken enemy unit capable of fire on it in that hex with at least one FP without any form of LOS Hindrance, is subject to a NMC and everything that normally entails.?
-? From A10.54 Open Ground:??For purposes of rout determination, Dash, concealment gain/loss, and Interdiction, an Open Ground hex is any hex in which?the particular enemy unit(s) could apply, during a hypothetical Defensive First Fire opportunity (regardless of what attacks it actually made in previous phases), the -1 FFMO DRM.

Conclusion:? Due to SSR #1, units can now route across streets, etc. without the risk of Interdiction (assumes they follow all the other routing direction rules).??

Question:? Is the conclusion correct?

How are others interpreting this and playing it?

Thanks,
Derek


 

Thanks Chuck for the quick reply, to Tom for confirming and of course to Ted for the nice design, you guys are awesome.

The American must keep his personal morale in check early on, it is the German who might get sweaty palms later on when the USA armor?arrives.

Good luck to everyone in this one, take care, Vic.




-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Morin <tmorin2454@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2021 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: [yasl] DB157 Morning Massacre SSR question

Roger that, thank you.

Tom

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 11:26 AM Derek Dunn <derek01890@...> wrote:
Good morning,
My posting is around how SSR#1 impacts Interdiction.?

Situation:
-? SSR#1 says that "Due to dawn low visibility conditions, FFMO (A4.6) is NA for the scenario."??
-? From A10.53 Interdiction:??A routing unit which enters an Open Ground hex without Low Crawl, in both the LOS and Normal Range of an unbroken enemy unit capable of fire on it in that hex with at least one FP without any form of LOS Hindrance, is subject to a NMC and everything that normally entails.
-? From A10.54 Open Ground:??For purposes of rout determination, Dash, concealment gain/loss, and Interdiction, an Open Ground hex is any hex in which?the particular enemy unit(s) could apply, during a hypothetical Defensive First Fire opportunity (regardless of what attacks it actually made in previous phases), the -1 FFMO DRM.

Conclusion:? Due to SSR #1, units can now route across streets, etc. without the risk of Interdiction (assumes they follow all the other routing direction rules).??

Question:? Is the conclusion correct?

How are others interpreting this and playing it?

Thanks,
Derek