From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Martin via groups.io
Sent: 07 August 2021 11:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [wanderer] Creaking mast

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Hi James,

I'd second checking the mast base. I did mine recently and found that the main bit of plywood - the vertical bit that runs from the centreboard into the buoyancy tank - was ok, but all the other bits had disintegrated. The screws at the bottom of the tabernacle should go into a horizontal bit of plywood that sits on top of the vertical bit in a T shape - if the screws are failing then (a) you're going to get water in (b) the mast isn't actually held up by very much.

Pics here:

If you have a vibrating multitool (mine is Aldi) then I recommend cutting off the GRP at the level of the bottom of the floorboards - this should give enough access and you'll only see the join at the front and back of the section when you put it back together and the floorboards are in.

If water is still getting in then check round the base of the internal GRP moulding - on the port side the adhesive line was only 1-2mm thick with cracks in places. Any water in the bilge would run into the buoyancy tank.

Cheers

Martin

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First thing to do is check the integrity of the mast base. If the mast is moving too much it may be that the mast base is being compressed leading to loss of rig tension. There's a plywood support under the mast base which will rot over time particularly if water is getting in. Look for signs of a dip or cracks around the mast base. I've done this repair on mine so let me know what you find.?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Roff, James via groups.io <james.roff@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 8:39:17 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [wanderer] Creaking mast

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When beating upwind my mast moves about in the jaws at deck level. Makes a pretty significant creaking. There is rope around the mast and what looks like asbestos (eek) in the jaws. Is there anything I can do to reduce this? Also, where the feet of the tabernacle screw into the hull water leaks into the air tanks. I think I just need to do some fibreglass work but it’s fiddly as I need to fill and re drill I think. Any comments or suggestions most appreciated.

Wanderer mark 2 I think?

Thanks

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James

On 2 Aug 2021, at 19:19, eleanor mehew via groups.io <eleanormehew@...> wrote:

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Hello John

Thank you for the reply. The dip in the boom was fairly pronounced until we altered the shrouds. It was catching my head regularly when tacking, so I think it was a bit lower than it should have been. Sadly we don't have any other wanderers at our club so have none to compare ours to.

Eleanor

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On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 5:47 PM John Sharples 1646 <johnsharples10@...> wrote:

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Hi Eleanor

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I too have a Hartley Wanderer and mine also is lower at the aft end. I’ve noticed this on older boats too so am thinking it is probably normal.?

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John (1646)

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On Mon, 2 Aug 2021 at 12:11, <eleanormehew@...> wrote:

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I have a 2014 Hartley Wanderer ( sail no 1741) and am trying to resolve an irritation in that my boom is not level but dipping towards the aft of the boat.?

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We have placed the rear of the mast foot at the end of the mast step, up against a fitted nut and bolt.? (Though I note there is another hole which is available.)? The tabernacle pin is removed.?

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We have replaced the ‘standard’ stay adjusters (Allen A4372, see ) with vernier adjusters (Allen A4272) and pressed rigging links (Allen A4138) so as to give a longer adjustment range.? We have not measured the length of the shrouds.?

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The Selden mast spreaders are 430mm long but the spreader deflection is 195mm rather than the 165mm specified by Selden for a Wanderer’s set up or 178mm suggested in WCOA technical data at .? (As an aside, the Selden Wanderer’s data sheet does not seem to be available anymore.)? We did not measure the mast prebend.

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Our mast was rigged with the jib reefing line below the main sail reefing line.? We found that this did not give us enough room to achieve a reasonable tension in the shrouds so we reversed them.? The Cunningham is not fitted.

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So having tensioned up the shrouds to 280 lbs via the jib (checked with a borrowed Loos PT-1M), the mast rake is 22 feet and 6 inches (the closest we have managed to get it).? But the boom is nowhere near horizontal and the kicker seems to make little impact on the boom’s levelness.

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So two questions.?

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Does the spreader deflection make a difference?? Given it is slightly larger than specified, which in turn means the main sail hits the end of the spreader sooner (at a smaller angle), thus limiting the broad reach set up without the impacting on the shape of the sail.

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What else can one do to adjust the level of the boom????
thank you
Eleanor

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