Confused Newbie - Connected
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Roger Need,
First connected image posted for on-coming Newbies to see what it looks like. Please reply back via nanovan-users the following info for my guidance and future newbies.: 1. Do you use FIRST METHOD, SECOND METHOD, or THIRD METHOD to update your device? 2. What is the latest software update to use? 3. Should I use DfuSe DEMO V3.0.6? 4. What PC programs should I load to start out with? Thanks in advance 30, Billy ________________________________ From: bwmoore slidesnmoore.com <bwmoore@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 07:02 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie Roger Need, Magic! Absolute Magic! Heinlein would be pleased. Ok, now to read the rest in detail. May be a while before I post again, need to dig in now. Thank you so much, 30, Billy ________________________________ From: bwmoore slidesnmoore.com <bwmoore@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 16:29 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie Roger, Downloaded en.stsw-stm32102.zip from: Unzipped en.stsw-stm32102.zip to six files: readme.txt VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W7_x64_64bits.exe VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W7_x86_32bits.exe VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W8_x64_64bits.exe VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W8_x86_32bits.exe version.txt Since I run windows 7 32bit, I installed: VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W7_x86_32bits.exe Went through install procedure Got install confirmation. Plugged in nanovna, no bing! Turned on nanovna, no bing! No indication at all anything happened! Go to device manager and find: STMicroelectronics Virtual COM Port (COM15) General: Port_#0003.Hub_#0004 Is this what I am looking for. Is everything oi? Thanks Roger, 30, Billy ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Roger Need via groups.io <sailtamarack@...> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 19:02 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie Billy, I understand your frustration so I will help get you started. The NanoVNA uses 2 drivers to communicate with the PC. One is when you want to exchange data with a terminal or application program like NanoVNA Saver. The second is when you want to update the firmware by loading a "DFU" file. In this post I will only cover the first. Windows 7 does not have the driver installed for exchanging data so you have to install it manually. The procedure to download it from ST is cumbersome and requires registration for some reason. So I have placed it on my Box clouid drive for you to easily download. Here is the link: Once you have successfully downloaded it you need to unzip it and install the driver Win 7. There are 32 bit and 64 bit depending on what type of CPU you have in your PC. Do not plug in the NanoVNA until after you have installed the driver. When you plug in the NanoVNA after installation you will hear Windows "bing" and you will set it in the Device Manager as a COM port. Next step is to install NanoVNA Saver. You will find it at this link. Download the Windows 32 or 64 bit version, unzip and install. Then run it and patiently wait - it often takes 10 seconds or so to load because it is a Python program and it unpacking the support routines. Then in the bottom left hand corner it should show the COM port of the NanoVNA (Rescan if necessary). Click "Connect to Device" and it should plot in the graphs. This will get you started. In the Wiki for this group and on Youtube there are tutorials on how to use NanoVNA Saver. Roger Roger |
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Larry,
I do not mean to be impertinent or insulting nor do I want to offend you, I am only frustrated. The problem with your advice is always the SAME. I quote you: "I have modified the GUI of DefuseDemo and placed it in the files section. My mod enables larger font and better description of the functions of the buttons. Grab the zip'ed file and read the instructions." You might as well as say "Go to FireFox", grab the zip'ed file!" You make a high level generalized statement and expect someone who does not understand a word you say to jump through the hoop and execute! Now to explain, WHAT FILES SECTION? I go to /g/nanovna-users and click on /g/nanovna-users/files (THE FILES SECTION?). I get a gobblygook of what could be write-ups; who knows from the explanations. I see nothing about a zip file or Larry Rothman. I finally see down on entry 8, Firmware. So I click on it. I see five entries with Larry Rothman as author; all leading to PDF files. four of these five have firmware in them, alas which one? 1) First one goes to "hugen's firmware release notes as of Oct 9, 2019" and has a link to " which is non-clickable. I copied it, went to it, more gobblygook. 2) Second goes to "Groups.io Maintenance, Groups.io is currently undergoing maintenance. We apologize for the downtime, and expect to be back shortly., To see some cats, click here" Yes, it actually says "cats". Been here before, never goes away or changes! 3) Third, same as Second! 4) Just quit and give up on this frustrating trip. Larry, when dealing with a Newbie, you have to present a clear map to follow. PLEASE copy and post a clear, specific starting URL. Then YOU click on each URL and post the next specific URL and the specific full name of the item to click on. Continue doing this until you have led the Newbie to the destination desired. Then give the full name to download. You have not even given the name of the zip file to download, I do not even know what I am looking for! I am so frustrated, I am ready to quit! I do understand you want to and are trying to help. This often happens when a professional tries to help a layman. You cannot comprehend of anyone not understanding the terms you use. I had a Physics Professor that used to write a complicated expression on the board; stand back and look at it; say the answer is CLEAR; write CLEAR on the board; say QED, and write QED on the board. The class got up a petition to the Professor requesting him to go through each step solving the equation before reaching the QED. Next class, he wrote one of his famous equations on the board; stepped back and looked at it; stated CLEAR as 1+1=2; wrote CLEAR as 1+1=2 QED on the board; and said class dismissed. Talking to the Professor later, he REALLY thought he was meeting the petition request. Larry, I feel I back in that class, but I must sincerely thank you for what you do, 30, Billy ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Larry Rothman via groups.io <nlroth@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 08:34 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie - Connected Billy, you can use DeFuse-demo to flash your FW or you can install and use Nanovna-App to do it. There are various message threads in the forum and user guides detailing how to do this. Use whatever method is easiest for you. I have used all the methods to see how each works. I have modified the GUI of DefuseDemo and placed it in the files section. My mod enables larger font and better description of the functions of the buttons. Grab the zip'ed file and read the instructions. As for what to use to start with - try a number of PC apps aver time to see what you're most comfortable with. The Nanovna-App has the most functions but the NanovnaSaver app is written in Python and can be modified. Both are on github and are opensource. Refer to the end of the forum wiki for a listing of apps. If you're using Nanvna-App. right-click in the graph area to open the full context menu to configure the graph outputs. Now, play! On Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 08:43:47 a.m. EST, N5SE <bwmoore@...> wrote: Roger Need, First connected image posted for on-coming Newbies to see what it looks like. Please reply back via nanovna-users the following info for my guidance and future newbies.: 1. Do you use FIRST METHOD, SECOND METHOD, or THIRD METHOD to update your device? 2. What is the latest software update to use? 3. Should I use DfuSe DEMO V3.0.6? 4. What PC programs should I load to start out with? Thanks in advance 30, Billy ________________________________ From: bwmoore slidesnmoore.com <bwmoore@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 07:02 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie Roger Need, Magic! Absolute Magic! Heinlein would be pleased. Ok, now to read the rest in detail. May be a while before I post again, need to dig in now. Thank you so much, 30, Billy ________________________________ From: bwmoore slidesnmoore.com <bwmoore@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 16:29 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie Roger, Downloaded en.stsw-stm32102.zip from: Unzipped en.stsw-stm32102.zip to six files: readme.txt VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W7_x64_64bits.exe VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W7_x86_32bits.exe VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W8_x64_64bits.exe VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W8_x86_32bits.exe version.txt Since I run windows 7 32bit, I installed: VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W7_x86_32bits.exe Went through install procedure Got install confirmation. Plugged in nanovna, no bing! Turned on nanovna, no bing! No indication at all anything happened! Go to device manager and find: STMicroelectronics Virtual COM Port (COM15) General: Port_#0003.Hub_#0004 Is this what I am looking for. Is everything oi? Thanks Roger, 30, Billy ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Roger Need via groups.io <sailtamarack@...> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 19:02 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie Billy, I understand your frustration so I will help get you started. The NanoVNA uses 2 drivers to communicate with the PC. One is when you want to exchange data with a terminal or application program like NanoVNA Saver. The second is when you want to update the firmware by loading a "DFU" file. In this post I will only cover the first. Windows 7 does not have the driver installed for exchanging data so you have to install it manually. The procedure to download it from ST is cumbersome and requires registration for some reason. So I have placed it on my Box clouid drive for you to easily download. Here is the link: Once you have successfully downloaded it you need to unzip it and install the driver Win 7. There are 32 bit and 64 bit depending on what type of CPU you have in your PC. Do not plug in the NanoVNA until after you have installed the driver. When you plug in the NanoVNA after installation you will hear Windows "bing" and you will set it in the Device Manager as a COM port. Next step is to install NanoVNA Saver. You will find it at this link. Download the Windows 32 or 64 bit version, unzip and install. Then run it and patiently wait - it often takes 10 seconds or so to load because it is a Python program and it unpacking the support routines. Then in the bottom left hand corner it should show the COM port of the NanoVNA (Rescan if necessary). Click "Connect to Device" and it should plot in the graphs. This will get you started. In the Wiki for this group and on Youtube there are tutorials on how to use NanoVNA Saver. Roger Roger |
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I have tried to download the NanoVNA-App as recommended by Larry Rothman. I searched FireFox for "Nanovna-App".
Got: 1) => Got NanoVNA-App is the very powerful windows software developed by OneOfEleven for NanoVNA and LibreVNA. You can download the per-compiled software here. "here" leads to a full page of machine code! 2) => NanoVNA-Web-Client / WebApp NanoVNA-Web-Client/WebApp was developed by cho45 and can be used by accessing using the latest version of chrome browser. (The link => blank page) PLEASE ANYONE! Is there anyway to search for a simple PC download such as NanoVNA-App with out multiple dead-ends and goobygook. In all my years, I have never seen such unorganized and in-accessible data. I just do not understand. Do not try to tell me where to find NanoVNA-APP, please explain this filing system and how it is organized in PLAIN SIMPLE terms. If you cannot use actual URL's, then PLEASE do not answer with general terms. And if your answer involves GITHUB, definitely use URL's. I have never used github. Thanks in advance, 30, Billy [cid:12814b77-0fbc-4158-b040-408ee0488153][Billy Wayne Moore] ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of N5SE via groups.io <bwmoore@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 09:58 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie - Connected Larry, I do not mean to be impertinent or insulting nor do I want to offend you, I am only frustrated. The problem with your advice is always the SAME. I quote you: "I have modified the GUI of DefuseDemo and placed it in the files section. My mod enables larger font and better description of the functions of the buttons. Grab the zip'ed file and read the instructions." You might as well as say "Go to FireFox", grab the zip'ed file!" You make a high level generalized statement and expect someone who does not understand a word you say to jump through the hoop and execute! Now to explain, WHAT FILES SECTION? I go to /g/nanovna-users and click on /g/nanovna-users/files (THE FILES SECTION?). I get a gobblygook of what could be write-ups; who knows from the explanations. I see nothing about a zip file or Larry Rothman. I finally see down on entry 8, Firmware. So I click on it. I see five entries with Larry Rothman as author; all leading to PDF files. four of these five have firmware in them, alas which one? 1) First one goes to "hugen's firmware release notes as of Oct 9, 2019" and has a link to " which is non-clickable. I copied it, went to it, more gobblygook. 2) Second goes to "Groups.io Maintenance, Groups.io is currently undergoing maintenance. We apologize for the downtime, and expect to be back shortly., To see some cats, click here" Yes, it actually says "cats". Been here before, never goes away or changes! 3) Third, same as Second! 4) Just quit and give up on this frustrating trip. Larry, when dealing with a Newbie, you have to present a clear map to follow. PLEASE copy and post a clear, specific starting URL. Then YOU click on each URL and post the next specific URL and the specific full name of the item to click on. Continue doing this until you have led the Newbie to the destination desired. Then give the full name to download. You have not even given the name of the zip file to download, I do not even know what I am looking for! I am so frustrated, I am ready to quit! I do understand you want to and are trying to help. This often happens when a professional tries to help a layman. You cannot comprehend of anyone not understanding the terms you use. I had a Physics Professor that used to write a complicated expression on the board; stand back and look at it; say the answer is CLEAR; write CLEAR on the board; say QED, and write QED on the board. The class got up a petition to the Professor requesting him to go through each step solving the equation before reaching the QED. Next class, he wrote one of his famous equations on the board; stepped back and looked at it; stated CLEAR as 1+1=2; wrote CLEAR as 1+1=2 QED on the board; and said class dismissed. Talking to the Professor later, he REALLY thought he was meeting the petition request. Larry, I feel I back in that class, but I must sincerely thank you for what you do, 30, Billy ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Larry Rothman via groups.io <nlroth@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 08:34 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie - Connected Billy, you can use DeFuse-demo to flash your FW or you can install and use Nanovna-App to do it. There are various message threads in the forum and user guides detailing how to do this. Use whatever method is easiest for you. I have used all the methods to see how each works. I have modified the GUI of DefuseDemo and placed it in the files section. My mod enables larger font and better description of the functions of the buttons. Grab the zip'ed file and read the instructions. As for what to use to start with - try a number of PC apps aver time to see what you're most comfortable with. The Nanovna-App has the most functions but the NanovnaSaver app is written in Python and can be modified. Both are on github and are opensource. Refer to the end of the forum wiki for a listing of apps. If you're using Nanvna-App. right-click in the graph area to open the full context menu to configure the graph outputs. Now, play! On Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 08:43:47 a.m. EST, N5SE <bwmoore@...> wrote: Roger Need, First connected image posted for on-coming Newbies to see what it looks like. Please reply back via nanovna-users the following info for my guidance and future newbies.: 1. Do you use FIRST METHOD, SECOND METHOD, or THIRD METHOD to update your device? 2. What is the latest software update to use? 3. Should I use DfuSe DEMO V3.0.6? 4. What PC programs should I load to start out with? Thanks in advance 30, Billy ________________________________ From: bwmoore slidesnmoore.com <bwmoore@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 07:02 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie Roger Need, Magic! Absolute Magic! Heinlein would be pleased. Ok, now to read the rest in detail. May be a while before I post again, need to dig in now. Thank you so much, 30, Billy ________________________________ From: bwmoore slidesnmoore.com <bwmoore@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 16:29 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie Roger, Downloaded en.stsw-stm32102.zip from: Unzipped en.stsw-stm32102.zip to six files: readme.txt VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W7_x64_64bits.exe VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W7_x86_32bits.exe VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W8_x64_64bits.exe VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W8_x86_32bits.exe version.txt Since I run windows 7 32bit, I installed: VCP_V1.5.0_Setup_W7_x86_32bits.exe Went through install procedure Got install confirmation. Plugged in nanovna, no bing! Turned on nanovna, no bing! No indication at all anything happened! Go to device manager and find: STMicroelectronics Virtual COM Port (COM15) General: Port_#0003.Hub_#0004 Is this what I am looking for. Is everything oi? Thanks Roger, 30, Billy ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Roger Need via groups.io <sailtamarack@...> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 19:02 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie Billy, I understand your frustration so I will help get you started. The NanoVNA uses 2 drivers to communicate with the PC. One is when you want to exchange data with a terminal or application program like NanoVNA Saver. The second is when you want to update the firmware by loading a "DFU" file. In this post I will only cover the first. Windows 7 does not have the driver installed for exchanging data so you have to install it manually. The procedure to download it from ST is cumbersome and requires registration for some reason. So I have placed it on my Box clouid drive for you to easily download. Here is the link: Once you have successfully downloaded it you need to unzip it and install the driver Win 7. There are 32 bit and 64 bit depending on what type of CPU you have in your PC. Do not plug in the NanoVNA until after you have installed the driver. When you plug in the NanoVNA after installation you will hear Windows "bing" and you will set it in the Device Manager as a COM port. Next step is to install NanoVNA Saver. You will find it at this link. Download the Windows 32 or 64 bit version, unzip and install. Then run it and patiently wait - it often takes 10 seconds or so to load because it is a Python program and it unpacking the support routines. Then in the bottom left hand corner it should show the COM port of the NanoVNA (Rescan if necessary). Click "Connect to Device" and it should plot in the graphs. This will get you started. In the Wiki for this group and on Youtube there are tutorials on how to use NanoVNA Saver. Roger Roger |
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Billy,
I suggest you learn to use what you presently have working before you start upgrading firmware and using different apps. Some new users have problems (getting driver installed, understanding firmware update SW etc.) upgrading their NanoVNA. What you have now is probably all you will ever need and it works so just get comfortable with it and learn how to use all the features of your NanoVNA. NanoVNA Saver will do most functions easily and many users just use this app and don't bother with others. Many questions that you have can be found by reading the Absolute Beginners Guide v1.6 /g/nanovna-users/files/Absolute%20Beginner%20Guide%20to%20The%20NanoVNA/Absolute_Beginner_Guide_NanoVNA_v1_6.pdf Here are some links on how to use NanoVNA Saver I hope this helps. You should have enough reading material to get you on your way. Roger The group Wiki has an index and clickable links to common topics. Look there first and you will find most of your questions answered. /g/nanovna-users/wiki |
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Some people like to learn by reading manuals and tutorial guides. Others prefer videos in order to learn how to use a NanoVNA. Many of the YouTube videos are poorly done and contain technical errors. You have to search for the gems.
However those done by W2AEW are consistently excellent and I have learned a lot by watching them. He covers many technical and ham radio topics but has quite a few on the NanoVNA. The videos are easy to watch, well edited and have clear, technically accurate content. Here is a link to the site: New VNA Users should start with #312 - What is a VNA. Then proceed to #313 on NanoVNA calibration and #314 on antenna measurements. The other videos cover NanoVNA topics like measuring crystal filters and filters, determine coax parameters and other interesting topics. Roger |
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Roger,
Thanks a bunch. Will Do. 30, Billy ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Roger Need via groups.io <sailtamarack@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 11:43 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie - Connected Some people like to learn by reading manuals and tutorial guides. Others prefer videos in order to learn how to use a NanoVNA. Many of the YouTube videos are poorly done and contain technical errors. You have to search for the gems. However those done by W2AEW are consistently excellent and I have learned a lot by watching them. He covers many technical and ham radio topics but has quite a few on the NanoVNA. The videos are easy to watch, well edited and have clear, technically accurate content. Here is a link to the site: New VNA Users should start with #312 - What is a VNA. Then proceed to #313 on NanoVNA calibration and #314 on antenna measurements. The other videos cover NanoVNA topics like measuring crystal filters and filters, determine coax parameters and other interesting topics. Roger |
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Billy is right about one thing. The Page that Bing (or Google) brings up about NanoVNA-App does have a link for downloading the program ("You can download the pre-compiled software here.") which leads to a page full of hieroglyphic text, Must be a busted link. I hope the author is reading this forum and will fix it.
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kemon,
Not funny! All the links in this are DEAD LINKS! 30, Billy [cid:9358d05c-7213-41a2-847a-197ba808c451][Billy Wayne Moore] ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of kemon via groups.io <wan3802@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 21:02 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie - Connected i learn to flash firmware from this link. maybe it cam help you |
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Billy,
It seems like you are seeing different things than some of the rest of us. For instance when I click on the first link on the page linked to I am taken to a web page which has the following: When I click on the button marked "Get Software" it takes me down the page where I see another button labelled "Get Latest" which, when clicked starts on a process which allows downloading the DfuSe Demo software. Hardly a dead link. What are you seeing? Dave *Re: Confused Newbie - Connected* From: N5SE <mailto:bwmoore@...?subject=Re:%20Confused%20Newbie%20-%20Connected> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 03:14:41 PST kemon, Not funny! All the links in this are DEAD LINKS! 30, Billy [cid:9358d05c-7213-41a2-847a-197ba808c451][Billy Wayne Moore] ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of kemon via groups.io <wan3802@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 21:02 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie - Connected i learn to flash firmware from this link. maybe it cam help you |
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Dave,
A click on the URL gives me a really long site titled "Upgrade NanoVNA use DFU The first link on the page is: Clicking this link gives me the page you show except the button "Get Software" is missing, Follow any of the links on the page take you to dead end links. 30, Billy ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Dave VE3LHO via groups.io <dave@...> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 10:07 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie - Connected Billy, It seems like you are seeing different things than some of the rest of us. For instance when I click on the first link on the page linked to I am taken to a web page which has the following: When I click on the button marked "Get Software" it takes me down the page where I see another button labelled "Get Latest" which, when clicked starts on a process which allows downloading the DfuSe Demo software. Hardly a dead link. What are you seeing? Dave *Re: Confused Newbie - Connected* From: N5SE <mailto:bwmoore@...?subject=Re:%20Confused%20Newbie%20-%20Connected> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 03:14:41 PST kemon, Not funny! All the links in this are DEAD LINKS! 30, Billy [cid:9358d05c-7213-41a2-847a-197ba808c451][Billy Wayne Moore] ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of kemon via groups.io <wan3802@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 21:02 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Confused Newbie - Connected i learn to flash firmware from this link. maybe it cam help you |
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