My question is it necessary to have the Nanovna set to the
frequency to be tested and calibrated before connecting to the computer and Saver
software? Hi I asked myself the same question as you. Obviously not: it is not necessary to calibrate the box before. You do with Calibration from nanovna-saver. I'm not smart enough to have known how to use the "normal" calibration so I do with the wizard. I assume that you have understood correctly that the short-circuit, open and load operations are to be carried out flush with the equipment to be tested; for example at the end of the aerial cable (by disconnecting the aerial). Without putting too much sweep in frequency, provides wide and with many segments (each of 101 bars). Note in the file name the frequency band and where you did the calibration. Nanovna-saver says nothing if later, your measurement band is not in the band used during the calibration. Obviously the measurements are then tainted with large errors. It is possible, with Excel, to correct the calibration file to smooth out the false (noisy) measurements. -- Fran?ois -----Message d'origine-----
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I could not find any threads that answered this question so here goes. I have seen a lot of videos of calibration of Nanovna using the Saver program, some show calibration only in the program itself and others show calibration in the Nanovna prior to connection to computer and then in the program. My question is it necessary to have the Nanovna set to the frequency to be tested and calibrated before connecting to the computer and Saver software? I am primarily testing swr on homebrewed 2m and 70cm antennas for my own use. Thanks for any advice.
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Re: Updating firmware from linux
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 at 18:15, Chuck Miller <cwmiller20@...> wrote: Dragan, The problem was that both enteries were different memory areas of
the same device, so if I removed one, I removed both. The dfu-util -a 0 -D
firmware.dfu worked after I figured out I was missing the -a 0 part.
Thanks, Chuck
N0NC
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Re: Updating firmware from linux with the ST Micro CUBE programmer
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Between that, and ST having end of life'd the dfu tool, at some point, it will likely become the only option. As other have noted, though, the idea of lean, efficient, *small* software appears to have died . . .
In any case, that's why I used Cube - the one product will work on many platforms. Huygen has .bin files of his distros, so all that is needed is for DSLord to drop .bin images as well as the .dfu (Since Cube can't read .dfu *files*, yet programs via the dfu *interface* . . .) Yeah, I could build to .bin, but am generally unmotivated to setup a build environment for this, since I don't plan to do NanoVNA development . . .
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On June 28, 2022 12:35:00 PM CDT, Bob Snyder <bob@...> wrote: Thanks Tim. This appears to be quite comprehensive. I hadn't been aware that the Cube software was available for Linux, so this might come in handy in the future.
Bob Snyder
On 6/28/22 09:34, Tim Dawson wrote:
Here is the document that I had referred to showing how to update a NanoVNA with the ST Micro Cube programmer.
- Tim
On 06/27/2022 06:36 PM, Tim Dawson wrote:
I honestly don't know where it landed, and had asked if someone could put it on one of the pages so that it could be easily found, but I guess that didn't happen . . . I'll repost when I get back to my computer, and (hopefully) it can be put somewhere more easily findable . . .
On June 27, 2022 5:54:12 PM CDT, Bob Snyder <bob@...> wrote:
On 6/27/22 13:54, Tim Dawson wrote:
I use the ST Micro Cube programmer, and the .bin images from Huygen native on Linux and it works fine. (Search the group - I posted a full "HowTo" procedure a month or so ago). Tim,
Could you point to this post containing the howto? I don't see anything from you in this group regarding the cube software.
Bob
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Re: Updating firmware from linux with the ST Micro CUBE programmer
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Thanks Tim. This appears to be quite comprehensive. I hadn't been aware that the Cube software was available for Linux, so this might come in handy in the future.
Bob Snyder
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On 6/28/22 09:34, Tim Dawson wrote: Here is the document that I had referred to showing how to update a NanoVNA with the ST Micro Cube programmer.
- Tim
On 06/27/2022 06:36 PM, Tim Dawson wrote:
I honestly don't know where it landed, and had asked if someone could put it on one of the pages so that it could be easily found, but I guess that didn't happen . . . I'll repost when I get back to my computer, and (hopefully) it can be put somewhere more easily findable . . .
On June 27, 2022 5:54:12 PM CDT, Bob Snyder <bob@...> wrote:
On 6/27/22 13:54, Tim Dawson wrote:
I use the ST Micro Cube programmer, and the .bin images from Huygen native on Linux and it works fine. (Search the group - I posted a full "HowTo" procedure a month or so ago). Tim,
Could you point to this post containing the howto? I don't see anything from you in this group regarding the cube software.
Bob
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Updating firmware from linux with the ST Micro CUBE programmer
#linux
Here is the document that I had referred to showing how to update a NanoVNA with the ST Micro Cube programmer.
- Tim
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On 06/27/2022 06:36 PM, Tim Dawson wrote: I honestly don't know where it landed, and had asked if someone could put it on one of the pages so that it could be easily found, but I guess that didn't happen . . . I'll repost when I get back to my computer, and (hopefully) it can be put somewhere more easily findable . . .
On June 27, 2022 5:54:12 PM CDT, Bob Snyder <bob@...> wrote:
On 6/27/22 13:54, Tim Dawson wrote:
I use the ST Micro Cube programmer, and the .bin images from Huygen native on Linux and it works fine. (Search the group - I posted a full "HowTo" procedure a month or so ago). Tim,
Could you point to this post containing the howto? I don't see anything from you in this group regarding the cube software.
Bob
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Re: Updating firmware from linux
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Dragan, The problem was that both enteries were different memory areas of the same device, so if I removed one, I removed both. The dfu-util -a 0 -D firmware.dfu worked after I figured out I was missing the -a 0 part.
Thanks, Chuck
N0NC
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Re: Updating firmware from linux
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Do what the error message says, disconnect any other device and
update with: dfu-util -a 0 -D firmware.dfu
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 at 22:18, Chuck Miller <cwmiller20@...> wrote: Trying to update the firmware on my NanoVNA-H from linux got the DFU file
but keep getting error
dfu-util: More than one DFU capable USB device found! Try `--list' and
specify the serial number or disconnect all but one device
dfu-util -l
dfu-util 0.9
Copyright 2005-2009 Weston Schmidt, Harald Welte and OpenMoko Inc.
Copyright 2010-2016 Tormod Volden and Stefan Schmidt
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
Please report bugs to
Found DFU: [0483:df11] ver=2200, devnum=10, cfg=1, intf=0, path="1-10",
alt=1, name="@Option Bytes /0x1FFFF800/01*016 e", serial="FFFFFFFEFFFF"
Found DFU: [0483:df11] ver=2200, devnum=10, cfg=1, intf=0, path="1-10",
alt=0, name="@Internal Flash /0x08000000/064*0002Kg", serial="FFFFFFFEFFFF"
all the instructions are for Windows and maybe Mac. Can't be done from
Linux?
Chuck
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Re: nanovna-saver/displayed charts/S11 R/¦Ø & X/¦Ø (?? / Hz)
I have compiled a version of Saver 3.10 that runs on WIN 7. You can download it from my
Roger Thank you very much Roger. It works now in 0.3.10 ¨C Win7 Already with the language, I have a lot of difficulty finding my way around in github. nanaovna-saver is a magic tool for me. I had a hard time figuring out what the baseline measurement the nanoVNA-F bridge was doing. Through nanaovna-saver I see that everything is recalculated from S11 since it is the only information that is available in the .s1p files I tried to install NanoVNA-WebApp-nightly-6e03c6c.apk on my tablet but maybe my system is too old: Model Number: SM-T530 Android Version: 5.0.2 Kernel version: 3.4.0-10239154 PS: I updated my profile -- Fran?ois (F1AMM) -----Message d'origine-----
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Re: NanoVNA for RFID design
The ST rep said to just replace the short calibration of OSL with the coil attached. "short" calibration of the coil. Makes sense now in hindsight. Anyone have insight into the "conversion to 'Z: Reflection'" bit?
4. ¡°Short¡± calibration of the coil and conversion to ¡°Z: Reflection¡±
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Re: Updating firmware from linux
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Ditto for me as well.
Thanks
Fred - n4cla
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 18:54 Bob Snyder <bob@...> wrote: On 6/27/22 13:54, Tim Dawson wrote:
I use the ST Micro Cube programmer, and the .bin images from Huygen native on Linux and it works fine. (Search the group - I posted a full
"HowTo" procedure a month or so ago).
Tim,
Could you point to this post containing the howto? I don't see anything
from you in this group regarding the cube software.
Bob
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Re: Updating firmware from linux
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I honestly don't know where it landed, and had asked if someone could put it on one of the pages so that it could be easily found, but I guess that didn't happen . . . I'll repost when I get back to my computer, and (hopefully) it can be put somewhere more easily findable . . .
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On June 27, 2022 5:54:12 PM CDT, Bob Snyder <bob@...> wrote: On 6/27/22 13:54, Tim Dawson wrote:
I use the ST Micro Cube programmer, and the .bin images from Huygen native on Linux and it works fine. (Search the group - I posted a full "HowTo" procedure a month or so ago). Tim,
Could you point to this post containing the howto? I don't see anything from you in this group regarding the cube software.
Bob
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Re: Updating firmware from linux
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On 6/27/22 13:54, Tim Dawson wrote: I use the ST Micro Cube programmer, and the .bin images from Huygen native on Linux and it works fine. (Search the group - I posted a full "HowTo" procedure a month or so ago). Tim, Could you point to this post containing the howto? I don't see anything from you in this group regarding the cube software. Bob
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Re: Updating firmware from linux
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Yeah I finally got it, I had to add the alt=0 to the command line, and then everything was fine. Now updated to version 1.1, just have to figure out everything that changed and how to use it.
73, Chuck
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Re: Updating firmware from linux
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Trust me, *dfu-util* *does* work! (The ST Cube seemed rather overkill for very occasional firmware updates!)
73, YMMV, your approach is just as valid as mine,
Robin, G8DQX
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On 27/06/2022 21:54, Tim Dawson wrote: And likely the instructions you found are for the ST DFU tool, and not the open source tool that you are trying to use. (Having said that, I'm pretty sure that "dfu-util" will work, I just never bothered with it, since ST supports Cube on Linux . . .)
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Re: Updating firmware from linux
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I use the ST Micro Cube programmer, and the .bin images from Huygen native on Linux and it works fine. (Search the group - I posted a full "HowTo" procedure a month or so ago). Considering that ST has dropped the DFU based tool in favor of Cube, seems to be a logical direction in which to make a move . . .
And likely the instructions you found are for the ST DFU tool, and not the open source tool that you are trying to use. (Having said that, I'm pretty sure that "dfu-util" will work, I just never bothered with it, since ST supports Cube on Linux . . .)
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On June 27, 2022 3:18:09 PM CDT, Chuck Miller <cwmiller20@...> wrote: Trying to update the firmware on my NanoVNA-H from linux got the DFU file but keep getting error
dfu-util: More than one DFU capable USB device found! Try `--list' and specify the serial number or disconnect all but one device
dfu-util -l
dfu-util 0.9
Copyright 2005-2009 Weston Schmidt, Harald Welte and OpenMoko Inc.
Copyright 2010-2016 Tormod Volden and Stefan Schmidt
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
Please report bugs to
Found DFU: [0483:df11] ver=2200, devnum=10, cfg=1, intf=0, path="1-10", alt=1, name="@Option Bytes /0x1FFFF800/01*016 e", serial="FFFFFFFEFFFF"
Found DFU: [0483:df11] ver=2200, devnum=10, cfg=1, intf=0, path="1-10", alt=0, name="@Internal Flash /0x08000000/064*0002Kg", serial="FFFFFFFEFFFF"
all the instructions are for Windows and maybe Mac. Can't be done from Linux?
Chuck
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Re: Updating firmware from linux
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Chuck, it's most certainly possible to update nanoVNA firmware under Linux. There's a *description* at /g/nanovna-users/files/Nano%20VNA%20Saver/nanoVNA-H4%20software%20support%20under%20Ubuntu.pdf. The listing from *dfu-util* is roughly correct. I've only got an H4 to hand, which offers slightly different results: ~$ dfu-util -l
dfu-util 0.9
Copyright 2005-2009 Weston Schmidt, Harald Welte and OpenMoko Inc.
Copyright 2010-2016 Tormod Volden and Stefan Schmidt
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
Please report bugs to
Found DFU: [0483:df11] ver=2200, devnum=16, cfg=1, intf=0,
path="3-4.1.2", alt=1, name="@Option Bytes? /0x1FFFF800/01*016 e",
serial="205230502031"
Found DFU: [0483:df11] ver=2200, devnum=16, cfg=1, intf=0,
path="3-4.1.2", alt=0, name="@Internal Flash
/0x08000000/128*0002Kg", serial="205230502031" The two entries refer to two different memory areas. It's likely that there was an issue with the command incantation. The *.dfu* file is to be preferred for the simpler command line necessary (less likelihood of a mistake.) HTH, 73, Stay Safe, Robin, G8DQX On 27/06/2022 21:18, Chuck Miller wrote: Trying to update the firmware on my NanoVNA-H from linux got the DFU file but keep getting error
dfu-util: More than one DFU capable USB device found! Try `--list' and specify the serial number or disconnect all but one device
dfu-util -l
dfu-util 0.9
Copyright 2005-2009 Weston Schmidt, Harald Welte and OpenMoko Inc.
Copyright 2010-2016 Tormod Volden and Stefan Schmidt
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
Please report bugs to
Found DFU: [0483:df11] ver=2200, devnum=10, cfg=1, intf=0, path="1-10", alt=1, name="@Option Bytes /0x1FFFF800/01*016 e", serial="FFFFFFFEFFFF"
Found DFU: [0483:df11] ver=2200, devnum=10, cfg=1, intf=0, path="1-10", alt=0, name="@Internal Flash /0x08000000/064*0002Kg", serial="FFFFFFFEFFFF"
all the instructions are for Windows and maybe Mac. Can't be done from Linux?
Chuck
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Re: nanovna-saver/displayed charts/S11 R/¦Ø & X/¦Ø (?? / Hz)
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 07:32 AM, F1AMM wrote:
Hello
I use nanovna-saver 0.3.8 because I have Window 7 and a nanoVNA-F I am an
electronics engineer (73 years old); I understand almost all marker charts and
data.
This may be of interest to you. The "official" Saver 0.3.9 and Saver 0.3.10 do NOT run on WIN7 because the version of Python and the QT library are not compatible. I have compiled a version of Saver 3.10 that runs on WIN 7. You can download it from my Box account Roger
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Re: nanovna-saver/displayed charts/S11 R/¦Ø & X/¦Ø (?? / Hz)
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 07:32 AM, F1AMM wrote:
I don't understand what the graph identified by
S11 R/¦Ø & X/¦Ø (?¦¸ / Hz)
Which we select with
[S11 R/¦Ø & X/¦Ø]
It is used when measuring inductors and you wish to know the shape of the complex permeability curves. This is useful when trying to determine the characteristics of an unknown ferrite toroid. It was described by the original NanoVNA Saver author when he released version 2.0. If you read the entire thread you will see questions about it and how it is used. /g/nanovna-users/topic/54247421#6896It was implemented at the request of a French ham F4HTQ and he describes it here... /g/nanovna-users/message/6996Roger
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nanovna-saver/displayed charts/S11 R/¦Ø & X/¦Ø (?? / Hz)
Hello
I use nanovna-saver 0.3.8 because I have Window 7 and a nanoVNA-F I am an electronics engineer (73 years old); I understand almost all marker charts and data.
I don't understand what the graph identified by
S11 R/¦Ø & X/¦Ø (?¦¸ / Hz)
Which we select with
[S11 R/¦Ø & X/¦Ø]
Thank you for your help
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Mike McKinney
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Roger Need