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On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 09:27 AM, Chris K2STP wrote:

Now there is a GREAT suggestion for the Nanovna, add a firmware update option
to the PC Saver program!! This way we have an “all in one” application to
use and manage the nano.

Use NanoVNA-App

On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 06:38 AM, David J Taylor wrote:

On 20/06/2023 06:07, Fran?ois wrote:

The program can also update the firmware.

Now there is a GREAT suggestion for the Nanovna, add a firmware update option to the PC Saver program!! This way we have an “all in one” application to use and manage the nano.


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On 21/06/2023 12:05, Fran?ois wrote:

Hello
Thank you for the link.
It's strange that we have to download file by file.
It's done, thank you
73
-- F1AMM

Strange, yes, but personally I prefer it that way, so that you know exactly what is being added to your computer rather than a massive install.exe with no idea what it contains!

73,
David GM8ARV
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On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 11:23 AM, RJOLLIS wrote:

if there was a short in the coax

Did you check it with an ohmmeter?
BTW, I noticed in the first picture that you're using/reading S21. Is that correct?
And "Transform" was set to "OFF". (but maybe you changed that after taking the picture)
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Doug, K8RFT

Hello

Thank you for the link.
It's strange that we have to download file by file.

It's done, thank you
73
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F1AMM
Fran?ois

De la part de David J Taylor
mercredi 21 juin 2023 12:39

The Nano's TDR function can show 'defect' location - even multiple "feature" locations. It shows distance in meters. You move the cursor to the "odd spot" in the trace, and read the distance to there. That works well, but the start and stop frequencies must be correct for the distance range that you want, and you must set the cable velocity factor.
There is a good video on using the nanovna to measure coax length, by W2AEW, on youtube. That method will also show any fault or discontinuity location (distance, in meters).
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Doug, K8RFT

On 20/06/2023 06:07, Fran?ois wrote:

Hello
I have never used this kind of small spectrum analyzer TinySA
- I read that there are at least 2 software on PC (like nanoVNA-saver) which allow to connect the small box TinySA. I don't want to tear my eyes out too much on a screen that's too small.
- I don't see any "groups.io" discussing this topic. Did I search wrong?
-- F1AMM Fran?ois

Fran?ois,

Gyula has already pointed you to the group (thanks).

The newer and more capable TinySA Ultra has a "4-inch" screen which is adequate (for me) for many things, but there is a TinySA program for the PC which provides a bigger display. The best source of information is the Wiki, and the group, of course:



The TinySA App can also be downloaded from here:



The program can also update the firmware.

73,
David GM8ARV
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Hi Doug
Do NOT cut the wire just fold it back at the insulator
and tape it in place.
Cheers John G4FRD

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On 20/06/2023 13:44, Donald S Brant Jr wrote:

Even a "bad and slow" SA function is better than nothing if there is no alternative. It does not need to be perfect to be useful.
73, Don N2VGU

Don,

My preference would be for the developer's effort (for which we are all extremely grateful!) to go into improving the VNA functions, especially as there are spectrum analysers in the NanoVNA format already available.

73,
David GM8ARV
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Only thing missing is distance to problem in meters or feet. You have to quess the Er.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 09:59 AM, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

sma to reverse sma??

Yes, I suppose I do, no pin so open(no contact). Lesson learned!

Thank you again,
Muggs KC3UDZ

A true TDR sends out a short pulse and looks at the time it takes for that pulse to return.
The NANO VNA sweeps frequency and notes where the frequency when reflected impedance approaches Infinity and Zero Ohms.? ? ?Different resonate points? ?Then calculates the length of the line from it's resonate points.Same result, different methods.??
I own 3 TDR's and a good TDR will show you where along the line the coax has been stepped on, has a defect, or even where some water has leaked into the line.? The Nano is not going to get to those levels, but what do you expect for 20 dB less money?? ??
The Nano works in the Frequency Domain, a TDR? (Time Domain Reflectometer) works in the Time Domain.So technically the Nano is not a TDR.? ? But gives a similar answer.? ? ? ?Kent WA5VJB? For many years an Applications Engineer with Tektronix.?




On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 07:16:11 AM CDT, DougVL <k8rftradio@...> wro On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 01:32 PM, Stan Dye wrote:

recent firmware has a
Cable Measure function built in. Have you tried that?

It's a wonderful, very useful feature.? Very quick and easy to use, no other settings to make.
It does use a different method than TDR, and is explained in the info for the first firmware version that includes the feature. (I don't have that text available to quote here, though - sorry!)
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Doug, K8RFT

"..cost beyond the software development." does not imply that software is free, on the contrary, it explicitly recognizes that cost.

Even a "bad and slow" SA function is better than nothing if there is no alternative. It does not need to be perfect to be useful.
73, Don N2VGU

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 01:32 PM, Stan Dye wrote:

recent firmware has a
Cable Measure function built in. Have you tried that?

It's a wonderful, very useful feature. Very quick and easy to use, no other settings to make.
It does use a different method than TDR, and is explained in the info for the first firmware version that includes the feature. (I don't have that text available to quote here, though - sorry!)
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Doug, K8RFT

The tinySA group can be found here: /g/tinysa/topics

THANKS. I signed up
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F1AMM
Fran?ois

De la part de HA3HZ
mardi 20 juin 2023 09:14

The tinySA group can be found here: /g/tinysa/topics

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On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 01:04 PM, Donald S Brant Jr wrote:

the extra features have no incremental cost beyond the software development.

Why do you think software development is free? However, adding a spectrum analyzer function to NanoVna is not a good idea, it will be a bad and slow analyzer with a lot of limitations.

Hello

I have never used this kind of small spectrum analyzer TinySA

- I read that there are at least 2 software on PC (like nanoVNA-saver) which allow to connect the small box TinySA. I don't want to tear my eyes out too much on a screen that's too small.

- I don't see any "groups.io" discussing this topic. Did I search wrong?
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F1AMM
Fran?ois

Let's go back to basics and use only the basic behavior of an open and
shorted 1/4-wavelength of coax (in the cable, not physical length:

SHORTED END measures as an open
OPEN END measures as a short

With the end of your coax open, determine the frequency of the lowest short
indication. Repeat with the end of your coax shorted and determine the
lowest frequency of an open indication. The two should be very close but
take the numerical average of the two. If there is no short or open
indicated for the above tests, the coax is faulty. If there is a distinct
short/open indication, calculate the length of the coax using:

Wavelength X Frequency = speed of light (all in basic units)

This will be slightly less than the physical length as the measurements
include the velocity of propagation in the coax.

Dave - W0LEV

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 2:15?PM RJOLLIS via groups.io <rjollis=
[email protected]> wrote:

Thanks for your suggestion, Stan. I will attempt to reset the sweep range
to a lower stop frequency, but it won’t happen until tomorrow.

I did make return loss and characteristic impedance measurements and they
look nominal for this coax. Zo=48.2 ohms tested at 9.8Mhz +/- 90° and the
return loss at 10Mhz is .99dB and 1.3dB at 30Mhz. Both of these figures
seem reasonable for a 100ft chunk of RG-8X. But that big spike at 14.65m
has me scratching my head. There are only minimal artifacts apparent on the
display around 120nS which you can see in my original post. So maybe there
is something hiding between sampling points.

By the way, I really love this new toy. I am trying to consume as much as
I can from the various postings, discussions and videos to be able to use
it to its fullest. What a fantastic invention! The guys who developed this
tool should get an award for one of the most useful inventions for Radio
Communications since the oscilloscope.

On Jun 19, 2023, at 1:32 PM, Stan Dye <standye@...> wrote:

?Also, for a cable that long using the 101pt scan, you need to set your

stop

frequency to about 70MHz to see the reflection from the whole length of

the

cable. So what you are seeing now may be due to aliasing or something.
(I just experimented with the Transform settings with a 100ft length of
good cable on my -H4. When I had it at 400pt scan, 125MHz let me see

much

longer than 100ft, but at 100pts I needed to set the frequency down to

see

the reflection from the end of the cable. This is due to the "bin size"
used in the FFT.)

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:13 AM Roger Need via groups.io <sailtamarack=
[email protected]> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 08:23 AM, RJOLLIS wrote:

Procedure. I have set up the VNA on Trace 0 in the Linear mode. VF is

set to

a nominal 80% for the 100 ft (30.5m) RG-8X coil of coax. The Transform
function is selected and Low Pass mode is on. I sweep from 500Khz to

125Mhz. I

get a spike at 14.79m. When I swap the inputs, the number doesn’t

change. I

would expect that if there was a short in the coax, I would observe

15.21m

when I flip the ends.

Question. Am I doing something wrong here or do I have a defective

nano?

I

haven’t yet characterized impedance or line loss. Those come next.

Looking at your photo your yellow trace shows S21 linear instead of S11
Linear.

I don't know what revision of firmware you have but recent firmware has

a

Cable Measure function built in. Have you tried that?

Roger

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*Dave - W?LEV*


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Dave - W?LEV

Thanks for your suggestion, Stan. I will attempt to reset the sweep range to a lower stop frequency, but it won’t happen until tomorrow.

I did make return loss and characteristic impedance measurements and they look nominal for this coax. Zo=48.2 ohms tested at 9.8Mhz +/- 90° and the return loss at 10Mhz is .99dB and 1.3dB at 30Mhz. Both of these figures seem reasonable for a 100ft chunk of RG-8X. But that big spike at 14.65m has me scratching my head. There are only minimal artifacts apparent on the display around 120nS which you can see in my original post. So maybe there is something hiding between sampling points.

By the way, I really love this new toy. I am trying to consume as much as I can from the various postings, discussions and videos to be able to use it to its fullest. What a fantastic invention! The guys who developed this tool should get an award for one of the most useful inventions for Radio Communications since the oscilloscope.