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Hi Jeff

It is not a mystery why it work ?

You open offset delay is not 14.491ps but 17.15ps with the C0 and C1 included

Then the difference between the short and open is 17.15-16.695=0.45ps so the open is a bit longer than short by open air displacement of 0.45/.3=1.5mm You homemade female open has a fringe c so also a bit longer than the homemade short and 0.45ps correspond to 9fF as 1 ps=20fF. The fringe C for your open can be simulated by the program FEMM and will be about 25fF (I just simulated a female SMA adaptor) so in reality you home made open has a delay 1.25ps longer than the short. Now comes the fun part. If the electrical length of you homemade adaptor is from calibration plane to rear of adaptor was 16.695ps then you had as HP85033C male clone with the exception that the open was 1.25-0.45=0.8ps longer. Find the electrical length of the homemade adaptor as the length from calibration plane (2 mm recessed from the front) to the read of adaptor and divided by 0.3 and divide once more with 0.695 being the VF of Teflon. The you can figure out how much to compensate as X - 16.695ps being positive or negative

The reason for Thru set to 0 is the VNA probably has adaptor removal included

Kind regards

Kurt



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Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> P? vegne af Jeff Anderson
Sendt: 15. december 2019 16:19
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Emne: [nanovna-users] Homebrew Female SMA standards and T-Check



A few years ago I made an open and a short female SMA standard for calibrating my HP 8753C VNA (for the load I used a very nice 85052 female 3.5mm load). I never used the open and short above about 30 MHz, so I didn't worry too much about their accuracy.



With my purchase of a NanoVNA I thought I could put them to use in lieu of the male standards the NanoVNA comes with. And so I thought I'd check their accuracy, using my 8753C and the Rohde & Schwarz T-check method.



Of course, I had not characterized my standards, and so I thought, as a first attempt at checking them, I would use the "stock" 3.5mm cal-kit definitions that are stored in the 8753C.



The key parameters of the "stock" 3.5mm definitions (to match HP's 85033C kit) are:



Open: C0 = 53, C1 = 150, C2 = 0, C3 = 0, and Offset Delay = 14.491 ps

Short: Offset Delay = 16.695 ps

Thru: Offset Delay = 0 ps



Much to my surprise, the results were very good, as you can see in the attached T-check plot.



But, I wondered, do the "stock" HP delays bear any resemblance to the actual delays of my SOLT standards?



Assuming HP's Offset Delays were not the same as my SOLT Offset Delays, why not change HP's "stock" Offset Delays (as defined above) to move the reference plane to the end of my standards (i.e. at the location of the actual open and short).



So, as an experiment, I decided to subtract 14.491 ps from HP's "stored" 3.5mm definitions. In other words,



o The Open Offset Delay changed from 14.491 ps to 0 ps.

o The Short Offset Delay changed from 16.695 ps to 2.204 ps

o The Thru Offset Delay changed from 0 ps to -14.491 ps



The results weren't quite as good as I expected (see attached T-check PNG).



Maybe, I thought, the Thru's delay change needed to be positive, not negative, so I changed its Offset Delay from -14.491ps to +14.491ps. Even worse results!



So I tried doubling the Thru's Offset Delay. That is, rather than making it -14.491 ps, make it -30 ps. The results now look pretty good.



But why does doubling the Thru delay give these results? And so my questions are:



1. Why did doubling the Open/Short Offset Delay delta of -14.491 ps to be the Thru's Offset Delay give the results it did?



2. Why are the Thru Offset Delays in HP's Cal Kits all spec'd to be 0 ps? (Clearly the length of the thru's are not zero, so what is HP referencing to determine that an Offset Delay is 0?)



Thanks for any insight provided!



- Jeff, k6jca