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Morning, and happy new year!
When composing messages in Mail, I'm now seeing a formatting toolbar at the top for things like font face/size, text color, alignment. I've confirmed that my "composing" preferences are still set to plain text, but I can't find a way to get rid of this toolbar. Any ideas?
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Thanks, Dane
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Hi Dane
Go to “View” and select “Hide Toolbar”
Happy New Year!
David
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On 1 Jan 2024, at 16:59, Dane Robison via groups.io <macdane@...> wrote:
Morning, and happy new year!
When composing messages in Mail, I'm now seeing a formatting toolbar at the top for things like font face/size, text color, alignment. I've confirmed that my "composing" preferences are still set to plain text, but I can't find a way to get rid of this toolbar. Any ideas?
This is what I'm seeing (but don't want to) ...
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Thanks, Dane
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Close! The toolbar that hides is the one up above that includes the Send button. However, poking around in that toolbar led me to the answer: clicking the "Aa" is what shows/hides the format bar. Funny because I tried hiding the toolbar already but it was only after your tip that I paid enough attention to what's in that bar. Thanks!
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Hi Dane
Go to “View” and select “Hide Toolbar”
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Happy New Year!
David On 1 Jan 2024, at 16:59, Dane Robison via < macdane@...> wrote:
Morning, and happy new year!
When composing messages in Mail, I'm now seeing a formatting toolbar at the top for things like font face/size, text color, alignment. I've confirmed that my "composing" preferences are still set to plain text, but I can't find a way to get rid of this toolbar. Any ideas?
This is what I'm seeing (but don't want to) ...
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Thanks, Dane
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On 1 Jan 2024, at 17:27, Dane Robison via groups.io <macdane@...> wrote:
Close! The toolbar that hides is the one up above that includes the Send button. However, poking around in that toolbar led me to the answer: clicking the "Aa" is what shows/hides the format bar. Funny because I tried hiding the toolbar already but it was only after your tip that I paid enough attention to what's in that bar. Thanks!
Dane
Hi Dane
Go to “View” and select “Hide Toolbar”
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Happy New Year!
David On 1 Jan 2024, at 16:59, Dane Robison via ??< macdane@...> wrote:
Morning, and happy new year!
When composing messages in Mail, I'm now seeing a formatting toolbar at the top for things like font face/size, text color, alignment. I've confirmed that my "composing" preferences are still set to plain text, but I can't find a way to get rid of this toolbar. Any ideas?
This is what I'm seeing (but don't want to) ...
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Thanks, Dane
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On Jan 1, 2024, at 10:27?AM, Dane Robison via groups.io <macdane@...> wrote:
?poking around in that toolbar led me to the answer: clicking the "Aa" is what shows/hides the format bar.
Apologies for coming at this thread from its antithesis. Back in med school one of the first things students learned was that people tended to segregate into “lumpers” (people who wanted simplicity) and “Splitters” (people who wanted every nuance available when categorizing). Of course, polar opposites abound everywhere; e.g.,
Tastes great! vs. Less Filling.?
For me, it’s the email "ASCII-only" vs. "format like you’re the editor of Architectural Digest” conflict.
My needs aren’t exactly THAT demanding, but still, I fall towards the "no subtlety is too subtle to be disallowed” end of that spectrum. That’s true even when my writing platform is my phone. As a guy who’s retired but still lives to go outside, now living in a place with actual WEATHER (Montana), I have relatively frequent need for the “°” (option-shift-8) symbol. I’ve not found a way to embed that in mail that I compose on my phone. Any suggestions?
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Press and hold on the zero to give you the degree symbol.
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?I have relatively frequent need for the “°” (option-shift-8) symbol. I’ve not found a way to embed that in mail that I compose on my phone. Any suggestions?
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On Jan 2, 2024, at 9:10 AM, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
? On Jan 1, 2024, at 10:27?AM, Dane Robison via groups.io <macdane@...> wrote:
?poking around in that toolbar led me to the answer: clicking the "Aa" is what shows/hides the format bar.
…I have relatively frequent need for the “°” (option-shift-8) symbol. I’ve not found a way to embed that in mail that I compose on my phone. Any suggestions?
Yes.
Press the number key. Press & hold the “0” digit key and slide right.
Dave?
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On Jan 2, 2024, at 08:24, Pat Taylor via groups.io <pat412@...> wrote:
Press and hold on the zero to give you the degree symbol. Pat and Dave, I had no idea it cold be done with 0° of difficulty?. (Scattering formattings while I may) AND demonstrating a critical yet frivolous way to create strikethrouh text in iOS mail while inserting transient instances of “rosebuds” and “ye” into the message!
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jimrobertson wrote: …I have relatively frequent need for the “°” (option-shift-8) symbol. I’ve not found a way to embed that in mail that I compose on my phone. Any suggestions?
DaveC replied: Yes. Press the number key. Press & hold the “0” digit key and slide right.
Actually, that will give you a superscript 0 (or maybe it is a superscript o).
Doing the same thing with the “8” key will get you a degree sign, which is what <Opt><Shift>8 gives you on the Mac.
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On Jan 2, 2024, at 9:42?AM, Jim Saklad via groups.io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
Doing the same thing with the “8” key will get you a degree sign, which is what <Opt><Shift>8 gives you on the Mac.
I guess i forgot to do my homework before lighting the fuse on that iOS “8” rocket. Pressing and holding the “8” still gives me just that one glyph available no longer HOW long I hold it on my iPhone 14 Pro running the current iOS, whether I’m in the Mail app or in Notes.
Maybe I’m missing something?
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Jim Robertson
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My result trying the 8 doesn’t work on my iPhone nor iPads in any text app either.
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On Jan 2, 2024, at 10:23?AM, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
? On Jan 2, 2024, at 9:42?AM, Jim Saklad via groups.io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
Doing the same thing with the “8” key will get you a degree sign, which is what <Opt><Shift>8 gives you on the Mac.
I guess i forgot to do my homework before lighting the fuse on that iOS “8” rocket. Pressing and holding the “8” still gives me just that one glyph available no longer HOW long I hold it on my iPhone 14 Pro running the current iOS, whether I’m in the Mail app or in Notes.
Maybe I’m missing something?
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Jim Robertson
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I wrote Doing the same thing with the “8” key will get you a degree sign, which is what <Opt><Shift>8 gives you on the Mac. Jim Robertson replied:
I guess i forgot to do my homework before lighting the fuse on that iOS “8” rocket. Pressing and holding the “8” still gives me just that one glyph available no longer HOW long I hold it on my iPhone 14 Pro running the current iOS, whether I’m in the Mail app or in Notes.
Maybe I’m missing something?
AHA! I normally use an alternate keyboard on my iPhone (Padkeys). It works there. When I switch to the native iOS keyboard, the 8 key no longer has the degree sign, and the 0 key does. -- Jim Saklad jimdoc@...
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On Jan 2, 2024, at 11:06?AM, Jim Saklad via groups.io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
When I switch to the native iOS keyboard, the 8 key no longer has the degree sign, and the 0 key does.
And mimicking the nun who at a critical point in the ancient comedy film starring Leslie Nielsen and OJ Simpson (Airplane) who offers to intervene in an argument after announcing, meekly, “I speak jive…”
I’ll ask, NOT speaking or decoding ASCII, “now I must be curious at what bits or bytes lie beneath that tiny little circle—or oval—floating above the baseline?"
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Jim Robertson
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This has been fun and educational. With the 8 key I get no options using press-and-hold. If I use the zero key instead, I get °.
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On Jan 2, 2024, at 12:23 PM, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
? On Jan 2, 2024, at 9:42?AM, Jim Saklad via groups.io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
Doing the same thing with the “8” key will get you a degree sign, which is what <Opt><Shift>8 gives you on the Mac.
I guess i forgot to do my homework before lighting the fuse on that iOS “8” rocket. Pressing and holding the “8” still gives me just that one glyph available no longer HOW long I hold it on my iPhone 14 Pro running the current iOS, whether I’m in the Mail app or in Notes.
Maybe I’m missing something?
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Jim Robertson
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On 2 Jan 2024, at 16:42, Jim Saklad via groups.io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
jimrobertson wrote:
…I have relatively frequent need for the “°” (option-shift-8) symbol. I’ve not found a way to embed that in mail that I compose on my phone. Any suggestions?
DaveC replied:
Yes.
Press the number key. Press & hold the “0” digit key and slide right.
Actually, that will give you a superscript 0 (or maybe it is a superscript o).
Doing the same thing with the “8” key will get you a degree sign, which is what <Opt><Shift>8 gives you on the Mac. I’m not sure what symbol the “0” key gives me, but it looks like a degree symbol. I can’t get the “8” key to do anything other than 8. ?0 on the Mac gives me ?, which *looks* like a degree symbol but is actually the “masculine ordinal indicator”. I suppose it doesn’t really matter because it's obvious what is meant. I’ve noticed that many people don’t bother; they just type C or F instead of ° (or ?). Otto
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Otto wrote: I’m not sure what symbol the “0” key gives me, but it looks like a degree symbol. I can’t get the “8” key to do anything other than 8.
I find it interesting that Apple’s own version of the iPhone keyboard does let you do special symbols by holding down keys, but *different* symbols that they associate with those same keys on the Mac keyboards.
Meanwhile at least one 3rd-party keyboard gives you what I think of as the “correct” pairing of symbols to keys – in agreement with the Mac keyboard.
What I have done on my Mac for several years, is to go into the Character Viewer, look up several characters I might want to use, and save them in “Favorites”:
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Hell, I would just like some commonality between the layout of Apple device keyboards, for special characters like #%*&$@.,
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On Jan 2, 2024, at 16:14, Jim Saklad via groups.io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
? Otto wrote: I’m not sure what symbol the “0” key gives me, but it looks like a degree symbol. I can’t get the “8” key to do anything other than 8.
I find it interesting that Apple’s own version of the iPhone keyboard does let you do special symbols by holding down keys, but *different* symbols that they associate with those same keys on the Mac keyboards.
Meanwhile at least one 3rd-party keyboard gives you what I think of as the “correct” pairing of symbols to keys – in agreement with the Mac keyboard.
What I have done on my Mac for several years, is to go into the Character Viewer, look up several characters I might want to use, and save them in “Favorites”:
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On 3 Jan 2024, at 00:14, Jim Saklad via < jimdoc@...> wrote:
Otto wrote: I’m not sure what symbol the “0” key gives me, but it looks like a degree symbol. I can’t get the “8” key to do anything other than 8.
I find it interesting that Apple’s own version of the iPhone keyboard does let you do special symbols by holding down keys, but *different* symbols that they associate with those same keys on the Mac keyboards.
Meanwhile at least one 3rd-party keyboard gives you what I think of as the “correct” pairing of symbols to keys – in agreement with the Mac keyboard.
What I have done on my Mac for several years, is to go into the Character Viewer, look up several characters I might want to use, and save them in “Favorites”:
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I’ve done something similar on the Mac. In System Preferences > Keyboard > Text I’ve set up fractions, exponents, some symbols, and a few text abbreviations:  Mail > Message > View Message > Raw Source shows me that hold-0 on the iPhone is indeed the same character as shift-?-8, *not* ?–0, on the Mac. I thought that hold-0 on the iPhone might be because that is how Android does it but we have an Amazon Fire Tablet and that is not the case: ° is in the special characters tab.
Otto
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On 3 Jan 2024, at 00:14, Jim Saklad via ??< jimdoc@...> wrote:
Otto wrote: I’m not sure what symbol the “0” key gives me, but it looks like a degree symbol. I can’t get the “8” key to do anything other than 8.
I find it interesting that Apple’s own version of the iPhone keyboard does let you do special symbols by holding down keys, but *different* symbols that they associate with those same keys on the Mac keyboards.
Meanwhile at least one 3rd-party keyboard gives you what I think of as the “correct” pairing of symbols to keys – in agreement with the Mac keyboard.
What I have done on my Mac for several years, is to go into the Character Viewer, look up several characters I might want to use, and save them in “Favorites”:
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I’ve done something similar on the Mac. In System Preferences > Keyboard > Text I’ve set up fractions, exponents, some symbols, and a few text abbreviations: <PastedGraphic-1.png>
Mail > Message > View Message > Raw Source shows me that hold-0 on the iPhone is indeed the same character as shift-?-8, *not* ?–0, on the Mac. I thought that hold-0 on the iPhone might be because that is how Android does it but we have an Amazon Fire Tablet and that is not the case: ° is in the special characters tab.
Correction: that should be Mail > View > Message > Raw Source
Otto
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On Jan 2, 2024, at 4:53?PM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
?0 on the Mac gives me ?, which *looks* like a degree symbol but is actually the “masculine ordinal indicator”. I suppose it doesn’t really matter because it's obvious what is meant.
I’ve noticed that many people don’t bother; they just type C or F instead of ° (or ?).
I’m assuming that the glyphs assigned to keys on Apple devices are encoded in the OS, and likely in firmware rather than software. I THINK there are iOS and macOS apps that permit one to query what’s actually being pulled from wherever such items are stored, but haven’t yet looked for them. I’m aware that NOT caring what’s “meant” by what’s on the screen or on paper so long as it LOOKS correct can lead to errors in scientific publications (I discovered a few in the pinnacle of weekly medical journals, the New England Journal of Medicine, several years ago, when I requested electronic pdfs of a few articles from the publisher. Very early on in my romance with the Mac, my then primary school-aged son discovered the mischief he could wreak on me by changing the assigned language for my keyboard, and delighted in doing so for the few hours it took me to figure out what he was doing.
Does anyone here have recommendations for apps that inform the user what glyphs actually are being entered when one presses one or a combination of keys, either on the Mac OR on an iOS device (or better, on each of them)? I’m assuming that wherever that electronic lookup table resides on each platform, what appears on screen will be an accurate bitmap image of what’s been encoded.
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