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I shut down and restart and constantly get this error. (screen shot attached) I have a? Mac Book Pro 2017
2.3 GHz Dual core Intel i5
8GB 2133 HJz LPDDR3
MacOS ventura 13.6.1
any help is appreciated.
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On Dec 4, 2023, at 7:39?AM, Sew Walker <sewnyes@...> wrote:
I shut down and restart and constantly get this error. (screen shot attached)I have a?Mac Book Pro 20172.3 GHz Dual core Intel i5
I don’t know why that’s happening, but you might get some clue by running the application “Activity Monitor” from your Applications>Utilities folder.
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On Dec 4, 2023, at 6:39 AM, Sew Walker <sewnyes@...> wrote:
I shut down and restart and constantly get this error. (screen shot attached) I, not infrequently, hear from users who have gotten this message. In every single case so far, what that error message is telling you isn’t what it seems on its face. Rather than not having enough RAM, the user always turns out to have a rotating disk hard drive that is too full and/or too fragmented. What the message is telling you is that there is no longer enough free *contiguous* drive space for your application to run properly. There is no space for your application to write scratch, virtual memory, database, etc. meta data to disk. How big is your hard drive and how full is it? Generally the problem occurs when your drive is approaching 80% full, but this is only a very rough rule of thumb. I’ve seen it happen with drives that are are closer to 60% full and very fragmented, and I’ve seen drives having no problem that are well over 80% full because they have very low fragmentation. The solution is to offload a bunch of data and then to defragment your hard drive. OR, to get a new, bigger, internal hard drive. The above guidance is quite a bit different if you instead have an SSD. If that’s the case, let me know and I can tell you what to do for an SSD. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Randy, I get that message. Please tell me what I need to do. I’ve got a new 2T SSD with 1.76T available in my iMac running Mojave 10.14.6. I’ve got 24GB of RAM.
John Engberg
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On Dec 4, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote:
On Dec 4, 2023, at 6:39 AM, Sew Walker <sewnyes@...> wrote:
I shut down and restart and constantly get this error. (screen shot attached) I, not infrequently, hear from users who have gotten this message. In every single case so far, what that error message is telling you isn’t what it seems on its face.
Rather than not having enough RAM, the user always turns out to have a rotating disk hard drive that is too full and/or too fragmented. What the message is telling you is that there is no longer enough free *contiguous* drive space for your application to run properly. There is no space for your application to write scratch, virtual memory, database, etc. meta data to disk.
How big is your hard drive and how full is it? Generally the problem occurs when your drive is approaching 80% full, but this is only a very rough rule of thumb. I’ve seen it happen with drives that are are closer to 60% full and very fragmented, and I’ve seen drives having no problem that are well over 80% full because they have very low fragmentation.
The solution is to offload a bunch of data and then to defragment your hard drive. OR, to get a new, bigger, internal hard drive.
The above guidance is quite a bit different if you instead have an SSD. If that’s the case, let me know and I can tell you what to do for an SSD.
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice
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On storage I have used 104.28 of 121.02 GB
I do not know if I have a SDD (not sure what it is). Hound I know if ?have a SDD?
I did uninstall some apps that I never use and that seemed to help
When I hit storage there was a statement. "use iCloud". so I did that
I also got rid of some documents that I did not leave and think this help
Thanks
Sue
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Sew Walker wrote: On storage I have used 104.28 of 121.02 GB
I do not know if I have a SDD (not sure what it is). Hound I know if ?have a SDD?
I did uninstall some apps that I never use and that seemed to help
Earlier you wrote: I have a?Mac Book Pro 20172.3 GHz Dual core Intel i5 8GB 2133 Hz LPDDR3
Mactracker tells me that would be a 13” MBPro” MacBookPro 14,1 Model Number A1708 EMC 3164
These all came with SSD storage drives, and yours is apparently a “128 GB” version.
And, as Randy suggested, it is very full.
OWC sells upgrades for this here:
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Go to the top left corner of your screen, then Apple Menu > About this Mac > Storage
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On 4 Dec 2023, at 17:41, Sew Walker < sewnyes@...> wrote:
On storage I have used 104.28 of 121.02 GB I do not know if I have a SDD (not sure what it is). Hound I know if ?have a SDD? I did uninstall some apps that I never use and that seemed to help
When I hit storage there was a statement. "use iCloud". so I did that
I also got rid of some documents that I did not leave and think this help
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On Dec 4, 2023, at 9:41 AM, Sew Walker <sewnyes@...> wrote:
On storage I have used 104.28 of 121.02 GB Yes, that is over 85% full, as I suspected. You need to free up a bunch of space and defragment your hard drive…or get a bigger hard drive. I do not know if I have a SDD (not sure what it is). Hound I know if have a SDD? Go into the Apple menu and choose: About This Mac Choose System Report Next to Hardware click on the disclose triangle Choose Storage Under Medium Type it will tell you what sort of drive you have (rotating disk hard drive or SSD) (The above may vary a bit depending on what version of the Mac OS you are running.) __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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On Dec 4, 2023, at 9:28 AM, John Engberg <mr.macbyte@...> wrote:
Randy, I get that message. Please tell me what I need to do. I’ve got a new 2T SSD with 1.76T available in my iMac running Mojave 10.14.6. Your problem isn’t that your SSD is full or close to full. If your SSD is new you either need to bring your iMac into Apple to have it looked at, or, if it is a third party (not from Apple) SSD, you need to contact that third party’s tech support. Because that SSD sounds to be defective. You can check it’s health with: DRIVEDX (free full function demo available) __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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I believe it was determined that the OP, Sew, has a 128 GB SSD, and that you would recommend a different fix for a SSD, other than defragging.
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
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On Dec 5, 2023, at 03:46, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote:
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On Dec 4, 2023, at 9:41 AM, Sew Walker <sewnyes@...> wrote:
On storage I have used 104.28 of 121.02 GB Yes, that is over 85% full, as I suspected. You need to free up a bunch of space and defragment your hard drive…or get a bigger hard drive.
I do not know if I have a SDD (not sure what it is). Hound I know if have a SDD? Go into the Apple menu and choose: About This Mac
Choose System Report
Next to Hardware click on the disclose triangle
Choose Storage
Under Medium Type it will tell you what sort of drive you have (rotating disk hard drive or SSD)
(The above may vary a bit depending on what version of the Mac OS you are running.)
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice
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On Dec 5, 2023, at 3:45 AM, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote:
On Dec 4, 2023, at 9:41 AM, Sew Walker <sewnyes@...> wrote:
On storage I have used 104.28 of 121.02 GB Yes, that is over 85% full, as I suspected. You need to free up a bunch of space and defragment your hard drive…or get a bigger hard drive. Sorry, I’m now told that you have an SSD. Please disregard the above advice. SSD’s can’t be defragmented and one should never try, because defragmentation routines would damage an SSD. Defragmentation is only for rotating disk hard drives. Your options now depend on whether or not Apple’s implementation of TRIM works on your SSD, and, if so, if TRIM is enabled. You can find out from the manufacturer of your SSD if your model supports Apple’s implementation of TRIM. You can find out if TRIM is enabled by: Apple menu —> About This Mac —> System Report —> Hardware —> NVM Express or SATA/SATA Express —> scroll down until you find TRIM Support If it says “Yes" then TRIM is enabled. If your SSD does not support TRIM, then it is basically forever going to be a noticably diminished performer. Erasing files and apps on an SSD does not actually erase the data from your SSD; it only sets the directory to indicate that those registers are available to be re-written. There are no utilities to actually erase data from an SSD on a Mac other than TRIM. An SSD that has been filled up will become slow as each write will require data to be moved elsewhere before new data can be written. Lots of folks made the unfortunate choice of purchasing a Mac with a too small to begin with SSD back when SSD’s were an expensive option. These folks are all now in a bad position as their SSD’s are now more or less full, and running like garbage. If you have an SSD that came from Apple you can delete a bunch of stuff off of it and, if TRIM is enabled, things will get back to being pretty good. But if you have a third party SSD, or one that doesn’t support TRIM, you are SOL, and you need a new (larger) SSD. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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On 6 Dec 2023, at 01:41, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote:
Apple menu —> About This Mac —> System Report —> Hardware —> NVM Express or SATA/SATA Express —> scroll down until you find TRIM Support If it says “Yes" then TRIM is enabled.
If your SSD does not support TRIM, then it is basically forever going to be a noticably diminished performer. Erasing files and apps on an SSD does not actually erase the data from your SSD; it only sets the directory to indicate that those registers are available to be re-written. There are no utilities to actually erase data from an SSD on a Mac other than TRIM. An SSD that has been filled up will become slow as each write will require data to be moved elsewhere before new data can be written.
Lots of folks made the unfortunate choice of purchasing a Mac with a too small to begin with SSD back when SSD’s were an expensive option. These folks are all now in a bad position as their SSD’s are now more or less full, and running like garbage. If you have an SSD that came from Apple you can delete a bunch of stuff off of it and, if TRIM is enabled, things will get back to being pretty good. But if you have a third party SSD, or one that doesn’t support TRIM, you are SOL, and you need a new (larger) SSD. Yes, the OP’s MBP has an SSD (Mactracker says “flash storage”). Is it possible to replace/upgrade that, or is it “soldered in”? It’s a 2017 model. Otto
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thanks everyone. I appreciate all your help
I plan to take this laptop to the Apple Store to have them add memory as it does not look like something I could attemt myself
I have printed all your replies and am saving them to use as a reference?
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Be sure to keep a copy of ALL your data before handing your computer over to Apple! I’ve found from experience that the Apple iCloud is a pretty safe place to keep things. ? I trust all goes well.
Kind regards
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On 6 Dec 2023, at 12:03, Sew Walker <sewnyes@...> wrote:
thanks everyone. I appreciate all your help
I plan to take this laptop to the Apple Store to have them add memory as it does not look like something I could attemt myself
I have printed all your replies and am saving them to use as a reference?
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I would make a clone using CCC or SD.
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Be sure to keep a copy of ALL your data before handing your computer over to Apple! I’ve found from experience that the Apple iCloud is a pretty safe place to keep things. ? I trust all goes well.
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On Dec 5, 2023, at 6:41?PM, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote:
SSD’s can’t be defragmented and one should never try, because defragmentation routines would damage an SSD. ?Defragmentation is only for rotating disk hard drives.
Your options now depend on whether or not Apple’s implementation of TRIM works on your SSD, and, if so, if TRIM is enabled.
You can find out from the manufacturer of your SSD if your model supports Apple’s implementation of TRIM. ?
You can find out if TRIM is enabled by:
Apple menu —> About This Mac —> System Report —> Hardware —> NVM Express or SATA/SATA Express —> scroll down until you find TRIM Support ?If it says “Yes" then TRIM is enabled.
Thanks for that nice summary. I’m hoping you can comment a bit more. My SuperDuper Clone resides on the Thunderbolt controller enabled 1 TB SSD stick from OWC. Here’s what System Report says about IT:
OWC Aura P12 1.0TB:
? Capacity: 960.2 GB (960,197,124,096 bytes)
? TRIM Support: Yes
? Model: OWC Aura P12 1.0TB
? Revision: ECFM12.2
? Serial Number: 1909200280821
? Link Width: x2
? Link Speed: 8.0 GT/s
? Detachable Drive: No
? BSD Name: disk4
? Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
? Removable Media: No
? S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
? Volumes:
EFI:
? Capacity: 314.6 MB (314,572,800 bytes)
? File System: MS-DOS FAT32
? BSD Name: disk4s1
? Content: EFI
? Volume UUID: E783267B-A4C3-3556-B751-DBED770EB996
Aura P12 MB Pro Clone-JSR - Data:
? Capacity: 959.88 GB (959,882,506,240 bytes)
? BSD Name: disk4s2
? Content: Apple_APFS
My questions relate to two items in that table, the first being? what is meant by “Detachable Drive”? (Would that related to a multi-disk caddy rather than something that can be plugged in and removed from one of the computer’s Thunderbolt port(s)
And the second: the same question as it relates to “Removable Media.”
Thanks so much,
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Sew, I don’t mean to rain on your parade, but the. SSD is storage, not memory. It is the drive. Apple considers your 2017 MBP as vintage and won’t work on it.?
Macs will use some of the drive as temporary memory. My guess is that you need 1TB (terra byte)or more of SSD. Since Apple is calling it Flash Drive, it might be soldered to the motherboard and not upgradeable. An external drive, SSD or HDD, might be an answer. I don’t have the knowledge to answer that correctly, only enough to say, find someone who does.?
My MBP is an early 2008.
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On Dec 6, 2023, at 04:03, Sew Walker <sewnyes@...> wrote:
?thanks everyone. I appreciate all your help
I plan to take this laptop to the Apple Store to have them add memory as it does not look like something I could attemt myself
I have printed all your replies and am saving them to use as a reference?
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Some models have replacement chances. Regarding your comment that Apple has no interest in a vintage machine, I recently had the battery repair which includes a new top case for a late 2013 MBPr
which I believe now is classified as obsolete. The issue as it was explained to me was availability of parts. If they have the part or can get it, they will repair it. For $199, it’s a bargain.
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Vincent Winterling
Vineland, NJ
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Sew, I don’t mean to rain on your parade, but the. SSD is storage, not memory. It is the drive. Apple considers your 2017 MBP as vintage and won’t work on it.?
Macs will use some of the drive as temporary memory. My guess is that you need 1TB (terra byte)or more of SSD. Since Apple is calling it Flash Drive, it might be soldered to the motherboard and not upgradeable.
An external drive, SSD or HDD, might be an answer. I don’t have the knowledge to answer that correctly, only enough to say, find someone who does.?
On Dec 6, 2023, at 04:03, Sew Walker <sewnyes@...> wrote:
?thanks everyone. I appreciate all your help
I plan to take this laptop to the Apple Store to have them add memory as it does not look like something I could attemt myself
I have printed all your replies and am saving them to use as a reference?
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Vincent, yes, if they have the part, they will offer a flat rate price for a “remove and replace” type repair. I believe the OP’s issue is her SSD needs to be replaced with a larger one. Only I believe her drive is not a unit, but chips soldered to the circuitboard. Apple doesn’t do soldering of components. They only ?replace discrete units, but they won’t replace a resistor on a circuitboard. That is why, to replace a bad port, they will replace a motherboard at several hundred dollars.?
There were warnings, there was no upgrade path.
It is possible she can but a motherboard with a larger Flash Drive, from a company like IFixIt, but if used, in what condition. She’d be better off with a new external drive.?
But again, I don’t have the specific knowledge.?
My early 2008 MBP, Apple considers as obsolete. I recently scheduled a Genius Bar appointment. It has what I suspected were hardware and software issues. I could not get it to go into Safe Mode or Diagnostic Mode. They used to have an external drive that held the various diagnostic programs. They have moved them to a server, only they apparently removed the diagnostics from the server in the store and online for obsolete devices. That apparently why I could not start onto those modes.?
I asked If I could get the installers for 10.8 to 10.11, to upgrade it to the highest OS it could run. They have been removed from the servers, too. I was told to try and find someone on line, like on ebay to buy it from. ?
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Some models have replacement chances. Regarding your comment that Apple has no interest in a vintage machine, I recently had the battery repair which includes a new top case for a late 2013 MBPr
which I believe now is classified as obsolete. The issue as it was explained to me was availability of parts. If they have the part or can get it, they will repair it. For $199, it’s a bargain.
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Vincent Winterling
Vineland, NJ
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Sew, I don’t mean to rain on your parade, but the. SSD is storage, not memory. It is the drive. Apple considers your 2017 MBP as vintage and won’t work on it.?
Macs will use some of the drive as temporary memory. My guess is that you need 1TB (terra byte)or more of SSD. Since Apple is calling it Flash Drive, it might be soldered to the motherboard and not upgradeable.
An external drive, SSD or HDD, might be an answer. I don’t have the knowledge to answer that correctly, only enough to say, find someone who does.?
On Dec 6, 2023, at 04:03, Sew Walker <sewnyes@...> wrote:
?thanks everyone. I appreciate all your help
I plan to take this laptop to the Apple Store to have them add memory as it does not look like something I could attemt myself
I have printed all your replies and am saving them to use as a reference?
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