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I’m a lazy MacBook Air user. And I’ve always trusted that system upgrades are going to improve my computing experience. I blithely click on the Install, it does its think, and I haven’t lost any functionality so far.
After reading the many messages of Catalina issues, I’m reluctant to pull the trigger. I’ve never made a back-up copy of my current OS prior to installing an update. I understand that some applications won’t work as they currently do (have been getting that warning for some time now), but I also understand that I can upgrade some and substitute others. I think I can work around that.
I’ve learned that all of the music I laboriously transferred from CD to iTunes will be gone (only iTunes purchases will transfer), but I mostly use streaming services for music now, so I don’t think that will be too hard to handle.
Here’s my issue: I’ve Googled and checked Canon’s website to see if my MX922 printer will be compatible and I guess I just don’t know enough about what I’m reading to figure it out.
I’ve updated my iPhone Xr and my iPad mini, with no issues. It’s really just the laptop-to-printer I’m worried about.
At this point, I continue to postpone the Catalina install, only because of the printer. Do any of you have a Canon MX922, and does it still work with Catalina?
Thanks.
And thanks for transferring the group from Yahoo to this platform. I’m not a frequent poster, but I’ve learned so much from all of you over the years that I would definitely have missed the group had it been dissolved.
Debbi McNeer
Forest Hill, WV
MacBook Air (11-inch, Early 2015)
iPhone Xr 13.1.3
iPad Mini
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Surely all your ripped (transferred from CD) music will remain in Music > iTunes (or wherever you keep it) after the upgrade? Can someone confirm?
Otto
I’m a lazy MacBook Air user. And I’ve always trusted that system upgrades are going to improve my computing experience. I blithely click on the Install, it does its think, and I haven’t lost any functionality so far.
After reading the many messages of Catalina issues, I’m reluctant to pull the trigger. I’ve never made a back-up copy of my current OS prior to installing an update. I understand that some applications won’t work as they currently do (have been getting that warning for some time now), but I also understand that I can upgrade some and substitute others. I think I can work around that.
I’ve learned that all of the music I laboriously transferred from CD to iTunes will be gone (only iTunes purchases will transfer), but I mostly use streaming services for music now, so I don’t think that will be too hard to handle.
Here’s my issue: I’ve Googled and checked Canon’s website to see if my MX922 printer will be compatible and I guess I just don’t know enough about what I’m reading to figure it out.
I’ve updated my iPhone Xr and my iPad mini, with no issues. It’s really just the laptop-to-printer I’m worried about.
At this point, I continue to postpone the Catalina install, only because of the printer. Do any of you have a Canon MX922, and does it still work with Catalina?
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That’s what I’ve read in the tech press, but have not yet upgraded to Catalina myself. ?Here’s one article on the subject:
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On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
Surely all your ripped (transferred from CD) music will remain in Music > iTunes (or wherever you keep it) after the upgrade? Can someone confirm?
Otto I’m a lazy MacBook Air user. And I’ve always trusted that system upgrades are going to improve my computing experience. I blithely click on the Install, it does its think, and I haven’t lost any functionality so far.
After reading the many messages of Catalina issues, I’m reluctant to pull the trigger. I’ve never made a back-up copy of my current OS prior to installing an update. I understand that some applications won’t work as they currently do (have been getting that warning for some time now), but I also understand that I can upgrade some and substitute others. I think I can work around that.
I’ve learned that all of the music I laboriously transferred from CD to iTunes will be gone (only iTunes purchases will transfer), but I mostly use streaming services for music now, so I don’t think that will be too hard to handle.
Here’s my issue: I’ve Googled and checked Canon’s website to see if my MX922 printer will be compatible and I guess I just don’t know enough about what I’m reading to figure it out.
I’ve updated my iPhone Xr and my iPad mini, with no issues. It’s really just the laptop-to-printer I’m worried about.
At this point, I continue to postpone the Catalina install, only because of the printer. Do any of you have a Canon MX922, and does it still work with Catalina?
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All of my music is still there.
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Surely all your ripped (transferred from CD) music will remain in Music > iTunes (or wherever you keep it) after the upgrade? Can someone confirm?
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Thanks Pat. That is exactly what I expected: nothing is lost, and don't we all have backups just in case?
Otto
On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 14:27, Pat Taylor via Groups.Io <pat412= [email protected]> wrote: That’s what I’ve read in the tech press, but have not yet upgraded to Catalina myself.? Here’s one article on the subject:
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Debbi wrote: After reading the many messages of Catalina issues, I’m reluctant to pull the trigger. I’ve never made a back-up copy of my current OS prior to installing an update.
Do you mean that you *never* make backups, period? Because if you EVER make ‘em, this is probably the single most important time to do so, before an OS upgrade.
I have Time Machine set to automatically back up alternately to two separate external drive, and I also periodically make SuperDuper! clone backups to alternating drives.
I rarely *NEED* the backups to recover something, but the one time that I accidentally deleted my entire Documents folder – and emptied the Trash – I was able to salvage everything easily by using the backup(s).
Also, I plan to double the size of my internal SSD soon, and clone the last Mojave backup back to a 2nd partition on the new drive, so I can dual-boot, and keep using some 32-bit stuff (games, mostly). I understand that some applications won’t work as they currently do (have been getting that warning for some time now), but I also understand that I can upgrade some and substitute others. I think I can work around that.
Some applications won’t work. Period. You can download (free) Go64 :(<>) This will tell you which apps are 32-bit (and won’t run), and which are 64-bit (and will run). And which are mostly 64-bit but have a unit that isn’t. Then you can intelligently decide about apps on a case-by-case basis. I’ve learned that all of the music I laboriously transferred from CD to iTunes will be gone (only iTunes purchases will transfer)…
The huge majority of my music is ripped from CDs, and is not only still present on my drive, and available to the Music app, it is still located here: /Users/<username>/Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music even though there is no longer an iTunes APP in Catalina. Here’s my issue: I’ve Googled and checked Canon’s website to see if my MX922 printer will be compatible and I guess I just don’t know enough about what I’m reading to figure it out.
If you get Go64, and set it to show ALL apps, you can then search for “Canon” and see whether the driver is 32- or 64-bit.
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The Pixma MX922 printer is listed on two separate Canon webpages as being compatible with macOS Catalina:
The following shows a green check mark, indicating compatibility for the MX922:
And the following Canon knowledge base question answer shows the MX922 listed in their Catalina compatible printers table under multifunction:
With that said, I personally have no experience with that printer or macOS Catalina (my Macs are not upgradable to Catalina). Bev in TX
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On Oct 21, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Debbi < djmcneer@...> wrote: Here’s my issue: I’ve Googled and checked Canon’s website to see if my MX922 printer will be compatible and I guess I just don’t know enough about what I’m reading to figure it out.
... It’s really just the laptop-to-printer I’m worried about.
At this point, I continue to postpone the Catalina install, only because of the printer. Do any of you have a Canon MX922, and does it still work with Catalina?
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I'm no where near Catalina, nor the current iTunes. I'm still on OS X 10.7.5.
I listen to a lot of audio books, and I rip them from discs to listen to them on my iPhone. I don't store the ripped files in iTunes, because of previous lost files.?
On occasion, I discover a title is missing. While the iTunes link to the file has disappeared, the file ?is where I left it. So all I have to do is drop the file or manually open it from iTunes to re-establish the link.?
I had seen the issue mentioned before, but did not think of the link before. i did ask if they made An external copy of ripped files or a copy of all media to an external drive.? ,?
Brent
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On Oct 21, 2019, at 6:19 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io < otto.nikolaus@...> wrote: Surely all your ripped (transferred from CD) music will remain in Music > iTunes (or wherever you keep it) after the upgrade? Can someone confirm?
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I’ve learned that all of the music I laboriously transferred from CD to iTunes will be gone (only iTunes purchases will transfer), but I mostly use streaming services for music now, so I don’t think that will be too hard to handle.
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I spoke with an Apple Senior Advisor about 30 minutes ago and was told that all my music on i-Tunes will remain intact.
Its true that Apple is abandoning i-Tunes but the advisor informed me that i-Tunes is being split into four categories;
Music, Podcasts, Audio Books and Apple TV.
Whether the music currently housed in i-Tunes was downloaded or purchased, it will still appear under the new heading, Music.
Nothing should be lost.
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Howdy from Santa Fe?
iTunes goes away but not your music. All 25,000 songs, mostly ripped CDs, on my ?ac are still there and work.?
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On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:27 AM, Pat Taylor via Groups.Io <pat412@...> wrote:
? That’s what I’ve read in the tech press, but have not yet upgraded to Catalina myself. ?Here’s one article on the subject:
Pat On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
Surely all your ripped (transferred from CD) music will remain in Music > iTunes (or wherever you keep it) after the upgrade? Can someone confirm?
Otto I’m a lazy MacBook Air user. And I’ve always trusted that system upgrades are going to improve my computing experience. I blithely click on the Install, it does its think, and I haven’t lost any functionality so far.
After reading the many messages of Catalina issues, I’m reluctant to pull the trigger. I’ve never made a back-up copy of my current OS prior to installing an update. I understand that some applications won’t work as they currently do (have been getting that warning for some time now), but I also understand that I can upgrade some and substitute others. I think I can work around that.
I’ve learned that all of the music I laboriously transferred from CD to iTunes will be gone (only iTunes purchases will transfer), but I mostly use streaming services for music now, so I don’t think that will be too hard to handle.
Here’s my issue: I’ve Googled and checked Canon’s website to see if my MX922 printer will be compatible and I guess I just don’t know enough about what I’m reading to figure it out.
I’ve updated my iPhone Xr and my iPad mini, with no issues. It’s really just the laptop-to-printer I’m worried about.
At this point, I continue to postpone the Catalina install, only because of the printer. Do any of you have a Canon MX922, and does it still work with Catalina?
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Many thanks for your advice.
Jim, I do back with Time Machine, but have never cloned an OS. I've been using Macs since the '90s. I've been really lucky to have never needed to retrieve something.
Good to know about the ripped music. And VERY good to know about the printer, Bev.
Thanks again.
Debbi?
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Enjoy some New Mexico chili and try not to get blown away in the winds we’ve been experiencing!
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? Howdy from Santa Fe?
iTunes goes away but not your music. All 25,000 songs, mostly ripped CDs, on my ?ac are still there and work.?
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On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:27 AM, Pat Taylor via Groups.Io <pat412@...> wrote:
? That’s what I’ve read in the tech press, but have not yet upgraded to Catalina myself. ?Here’s one article on the subject:
Pat On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
Surely all your ripped (transferred from CD) music will remain in Music > iTunes (or wherever you keep it) after the upgrade? Can someone confirm?
Otto I’m a lazy MacBook Air user. And I’ve always trusted that system upgrades are going to improve my computing experience. I blithely click on the Install, it does its think, and I haven’t lost any functionality so far.
After reading the many messages of Catalina issues, I’m reluctant to pull the trigger. I’ve never made a back-up copy of my current OS prior to installing an update. I understand that some applications won’t work as they currently do (have been getting that warning for some time now), but I also understand that I can upgrade some and substitute others. I think I can work around that.
I’ve learned that all of the music I laboriously transferred from CD to iTunes will be gone (only iTunes purchases will transfer), but I mostly use streaming services for music now, so I don’t think that will be too hard to handle.
Here’s my issue: I’ve Googled and checked Canon’s website to see if my MX922 printer will be compatible and I guess I just don’t know enough about what I’m reading to figure it out.
I’ve updated my iPhone Xr and my iPad mini, with no issues. It’s really just the laptop-to-printer I’m worried about.
At this point, I continue to postpone the Catalina install, only because of the printer. Do any of you have a Canon MX922, and does it still work with Catalina?
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It is always good practice to make a BOOTABLE backup immediately before upgrading the OS. Catalina makes many changes and does things differently. I’ve upgraded my iMac (late 2012) and haven’t had any issue. However, I DO have a bootable backup just in case. So far so good. Most people seem to have no problem. Some people DO have issues of some sort. Having a good bootable backup is great insurance. With a good bootable backup, you can safely do the upgrade to Catalina and see how it works for you. If anything goes sideways, you can always simply restore or boot from the backup and you are back to where you were. A mere inconvenience as opposed to a possible disaster. By chance if you don’t know how to make a bootable backup, inquire here and there are several folks that would be happy to walk you through the process. It has been mentioned several times. It really is easy. Have fun! On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Debbi <djmcneer@...> wrote:
After reading the many messages of Catalina issues, I’m reluctant to pull the trigger. I’ve never made a back-up copy of my current OS prior to installing an update. I understand that some applications won’t work as they currently do (have been getting that warning for some time now), but I also understand that I can upgrade some and substitute others. I think I can work around that. Bob ’The Beckster’ Beckham FCC RadioTelephone Licence P1-6S-2422 w/Radar endorsement. Apple iMac 27” Late 2012 - macOS 10.15.0 - RAM 16 Gig 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHTKL 1993 Allen MDS Theater 2
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Jim,
I had a look at the software which will run under Catalina on my machine and the list was staggering!? Why would I want to go through the hassle and likely expense to do that?
Jim Foster
Santa Barbara
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I had a look at the software which will run under Catalina on my machine and the list was staggering!? Why would I want to go through the hassle and likely expense to do that?
I looked at it also.
My first pass was deleting a lot of apps that I no longer remembered, or that I tried once but never again.
My second pass was going to many websites to look for 64-bit updates, and downloading the ones I found.
Third pass was deciding which of the remainder I wanted enough to keep that I would wait to see if an update eventually came out, and deleting the rest.
Wasn’t that bad.
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Jim and others:
PLEASE, when replying to a post, QUOTE some pertinent text from that message so we know what “hassle and likely expense” refers to without digging back through the thread.
Thanks!
Dave
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I had a look at the software which will run under Catalina on my machine and the list was staggering! Why would I want to go through the hassle and likely expense to do that?
Jim Foster
Santa Barbara
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On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:05 PM, swarfmaster < fosterjp@...> wrote:
I had a look at the software which will run under Catalina on my machine and the list was staggering!? Why would I want to go through the hassle and likely expense to do that?
When I read your post, I inferred (and still do) that you meant to type “software which will NOT run under Catalina,” which, if that’s what you meant, would require a very different answer. That, of course, requires addressing why Apple releases new operating systems.
If the only reason was "shiny new features” one can decide to use (or not), the choice would be simple, and the answer, at least for the last many years, would NOT be “so that Apple can make more money,” because the OS itself, year after year, is FREE to the user.
However, in Catalina, there are two elements (at least) that make the choice far more difficult. One is that Apple is attempting to “harden” the OS against attackers, and part of that is to make the OS itself reside in a read-only partition that looks to the user as though it’s still part of a boot volume, but under the surface it’s not. That makes things very difficult for companies that create backup software. For example SuperDuper!, which many of us use to create bootable clones of our boot volumes, just released its first public beta of a Catalina-compatible version of its application, a few weeks after public release of the new OS itself.
Second, Apple has chosen to withdraw support for applications that run in a 32-bit address space. Personally, I’ve not seen anything written by programmers that discuss WHY they would NEED to do that. An (admittedly poor) analogy would be deciding whether or not pedestrians and cyclists could walk and ride on interstate highways. Most of us would agree quickly that would be a bad idea, both for the strollers and the 16-wheelers, but whether the presence of 32-bit application-running capability makes things any more difficult for the creators or users of 32-bit OSes and applications I have no answer for.
And, there’s another change that forces users to make decisions about their software even if they DON’T upgrade to Catalina. To make its web browser more difficult to attack, Apple has removed the ability for developers to create “extensions” that run inside Safari. That’s forced users of programs that rely on those extensions; e.g., 1Password, among others, to store their passwords somewhere else or use a different browser that still permits extensions, e.g., Chrome, if they don’t wish to upgrade (at cost) their 1Password application.
Jim Robertson
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That’s true but there is the fact that sometimes Apple adds new software features to support new hardware features (or software that relies on specific hardware to work). Apple DOES make money on those hardware purchases.
Dave
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 8:31 AM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io < jimrobertson@...> wrote:
If the only reason was "shiny new features” one can decide to use (or not), the choice would be simple, and the answer, at least for the last many years, would NOT be “so that Apple can make more money,” because the OS itself, year after year, is FREE to the user.
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Dave Kelly via Groups.Io < drkelly@...> wrote:
That’s true but there is the fact that sometimes Apple adds new software features to support new hardware features (or software that relies on specific hardware to work). Apple DOES make money on those hardware purchases.
That’s true as well, but the only way to prevent that would be to prevent any evolution at all.
And, of course, although Apple seems to have its ethical “heart” in the right place (at least for my place on the political spectrum), we all need to realize that the prime reason the company has done as well as it has is that it has found several ways to make lots of money for its shareholders.
My life as a 72 year old would be much more comfortable now had I, back in 1984, realized the true potential of that little box Steve Jobs pulled out of a bag that morning a few weeks after the Super Bowl. I’ve invested heavily in the company over the last 35 years, but only in the last few years as a stockholder—always before as a CUSTOMER (in other words, very aware of the personal costs of the product cycle).
Jim Robertson
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 16:30, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson= [email protected]> wrote: That’s true as well, but the only way to prevent that would be to prevent any evolution at all.
And, of course, although Apple seems to have its ethical “heart” in the right place (at least for my place on the political spectrum), we all need to realize that the prime reason the company has done as well as it has is that it has found several ways to make lots of money for its shareholders.
My life as a 72 year old would be much more comfortable now had I, back in 1984, realized the true potential of that little box Steve Jobs pulled out of a bag that morning a few weeks after the Super Bowl. I’ve invested heavily in the company over the last 35 years, but only in the last few years as a stockholder—always before as a CUSTOMER (in other words, very aware of the personal costs of the product cycle).
Oh, to have bought ?/$1k worth of shares in 1997-8!
Otto
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Debbi
Pat Taylor
Dave Kelly
Jim Saklad
Brent
Bob Beckham