Not what I said and why would you? You want the laser printer or large motor, outside the USP, preferably on a different circuit.
Brent,
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On Oct 26, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Julian Thomas <jt@...> wrote:
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On Oct 25, 2019, at 17:24, Brent via Groups.Io <whodo678@...> wrote:
I would feel insecure with a $70 UPS. I guess our posts passed on the internet, because I just posted about laser printers causing surges. The momentary outage is not the problem, it is the surge that does the damage. Don't even think of putting a laser printer [or any other device with a large motor] on a consumer grade UPS.
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David Myers wrote: I have a 2011 iMac 21.5 in. running 10.13.6. It has been running a bit hot?lately, so I need to take it apart to clean it out. I also need to clean the?screen on the inside because of a large clouded area. I have decided to?replace the hard drive with a SSD drive when its apart. I have 2 questions.?What format to use on the new drive? And how to get the iMac to boot up?to my clone backup when I first start it up? I found some conflicting?answers on a few web searches and just want to be sure.??
Your machine appears (Mactracker) to have a 3.5” form factor hard drive; SSD’s come in laptop-size, 2” form factor, so it will need an adaptor to fit properly.? See iFixit: ?<>
Have you ever booted from the clone backup before? Better make sure you have no problem doing that. Restart your machine, and as soon as the “bong” occurs, press and hold the <Option> key until the screen comes up showing all the available bootable drives. Select the clone drive and press <Return> It should boot from the clone.
At this point, I would set up the SSD for APFS whether the system requires it or not
I presume your plan is to clone the clone back to the SSD
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
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Why the extra step? Long ago, I set mine so that if it shuts down or sleeps, I had to login.
At home the time to sleep is longer, at work it was very short, thanks to my very juvenile co-workers.? ,?
Brent
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On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io < jimdoc@...> wrote: FWIW, my practice (on a laptop) has been to log out (Shift-Command-q or Option-Shift-Command-q), then click on the Shutdown or Restart buttonon the screen.
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
#Mac
On Oct 26, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Daniel Settles <denver1.dan1@...> wrote:
?Howdy.
Start over. Thanks for your response. Currently when using disk utility I see two volumes, one that is labeled data, the other I assume is system. Frankly I am afraid to start over as computer is working fine as long as I umount that new volume. Will live without backup. I am no longer working and creating new files etc on computer. Main concern is losing 8000 photos, but these are in photos on iCloud. Earlier you mentioned about scheme, I see nothing that relates to that. Bob
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
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Howdy. Start over. Assuming you have a backup on a different physical drive of your documents, photos, music, data, etc., then just start over with a fresh OS X system. 1. Dismount then shut off/unplug external drive. 2. Boot into Recovery partition. You should be connected to Internet for these next steps. Restart and at chime press Command r. The Recovery partition is a small invisible partition containing a basic system and utilities like Disk Utility. 3. In Recovery, pick Disk Utility. Then click the View Icon and select Show All Devices. 4. Select the drive, Not the Container and not the other volumes like SSD or and not Data. 5. Click Erase Icon. Give it a name and click the Erase button at bottom right. It should work rapidly When done click First Aid icon and do the First Aid just as a test check. 6. Then select Disk Utility Menu and pick Quit Disk Utility 7. In macOS Utilities that should appear, click Reinstall macOS and follow the prompts and steps. This process could take some time. Patience. It can depend on your internet and computer speed. This part of the process should create the two volumes: one for system and one for Data. After it finishes, you may need to choose the install macOS Catalina menu and then Quit. I'm not sure if it quits it for you or not. 8. Back in macOS Utilities dialog box, Choose macOS Utilities menu and pick Quit macOS Utilities. 9. Choose your boot/startup drive. "Are you sure . . . . click Restart blue button. Mac should boot into the new clean system. 10. Reconnect back up drive and move Data back to boot drive. You may need to do this manually by drag n drop. 11. After moving data, use Disk Utility (the regular one not in Recovery) and erase the external drive. Test it with a First Aid run, perhaps several times since there have been so many problems. 12. If this works . . . . . . !!! create a new fresh backup from scratch. Denver Dan On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 13:55:20 -0500, robert morin wrote: Catalina changes the boot volume. The Catalina installer creates two
volumes from you previous boot drive. These two volumes are linked so
in many parts of Finder they appear as a single drive and single icon.
In Disk Utility you can see both volumes.
Do you have a good idea of what a volume is? Of what a partition is??
You should be using CCC ver. 5. On my Mac, CCC shows as version
5. I sawthe two new volumes on disk utility after installing Catalina.
I used disk utility to partition the HD and got a new volume which
showed on monitor. It is that volume that I now unmount routinely in
rebooting in morning and all works well.
I have the same update of CCC
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On Oct 26, 2019, at 1:39 PM, Daniel Settles <denver1.dan1@...> wrote:
?Howdy.
Several points.
Catalina changes the boot volume. The Catalina installer creates two
volumes from you previous boot drive. These two volumes are linked so
in many parts of Finder they appear as a single drive and single icon.
In Disk Utility you can see both volumes.
Do you have a good idea of what a volume is? Of what a partition is??
You should be using CCC ver. 5. On my Mac, CCC shows as version
5. I sawthe two new volumes on disk utility after installing Catalina. I used disk utility to partition the HD and got a new volume which showed on monitor. It is that volume that I now unmount routinely in rebooting in morning and all works well. I have the same update of CCC as you do. My problem started with partitioning. I don’t know how to undo. How to get rid of partition (Volume) I created. Bob
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
#Mac
Howdy. Several points. Catalina changes the boot volume. The Catalina installer creates two volumes from you previous boot drive. These two volumes are linked so in many parts of Finder they appear as a single drive and single icon. In Disk Utility you can see both volumes. Do you have a good idea of what a volume is? Of what a partition is?? You should be using CCC ver. 5. On my Mac, CCC shows as version 5.1.13. If you were using CCC version 4, it's a paid upgrade to version 5. It sounds like you need to start over. I'm not sure what happened when you "clicked partition...which renamed." It also sounds as though dealing with a partition in Disk Utility is a bit of a difficult exercise for you. If we can help with that, please ask. However, IIRC, I think before our transition to groups.io I tried to suggest to you four times that you should use the Partition command in Disk Utility and never saw a reply that you had been able to do that. Denver Dan On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 12:51:27 -0500, robert morin wrote: I upgraded to Catalina and everything worked fine except when trying
to back to external using CCC. Got message that HD was not
partitioned correctly. Using disk utility I clicked partition on my
HD (first mistake) got a new volume on monitor which renamed.
Partitioned the external similarly. Tried to use CCC again, no
luck. Erasing etc, no luck. Dan suggested external was bad. But
time machine worked well. Left things alone and rest fine.
Two days later small update to Catalina which I did. Noticed another
relocated file with only couple items in it. Didn’t know where to
put items so just put the file where I store documents. Then I
noticed I had another of that file. Figured didn’t need two so
trashed it (second mistake). Everything was working fine. Next day I
had exact same problems you described. Day or so fooling around I
unmounted the new HD partition, the problem you described went away.
The issue appears to be in those few relocated items.
I have given up on backing my computer. I have iPad which I use more.
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
#Mac
On Oct 26, 2019, at 4:26 AM, Janet Brunner via Groups.Io <janetsbrunner@...> wrote:
?Hello All,
I have found one “issue” since upgrading to Catalina and it’s starting to drive me crazy.
I shut down my Mac each night before bed. I follow the usual sequence of clicking on the Apple icon, choosing shut down, and shut down again. About 50% of the time my Mac will choose to Restart instead of shut I upgraded to Catalina and everything worked fine except when trying to back to external using CCC. Got message that HD was not partitioned correctly. Using disk utility I clicked partition on my HD (first mistake) got a new volume on monitor which renamed. Partitioned the external similarly. Tried to use CCC again, no luck. Erasing etc, no luck. Dan suggested external was bad. But time machine worked well. Left things alone and rest fine. Two days later small update to Catalina which I did. Noticed another relocated file with only couple items in it. Didn’t know where to put items so just put the file where I store documents. Then I noticed I had another of that file. Figured didn’t need two so trashed it (second mistake). Everything was working fine. Next day I had exact same problems you described. Day or so fooling around I unmounted the new HD partition, the problem you described went away. The issue appears to be in those few relocated items. I have given up on backing my computer. I have iPad which I use more. Bob
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Sent from JT's Ipad - maybe using voice dictation! On Oct 25, 2019, at 17:24, Brent via Groups.Io <whodo678@...> wrote:
I would feel insecure with a $70 UPS. I guess our posts passed on the internet, because I just posted about laser printers causing surges. The momentary outage is not the problem, it is the surge that does the damage. Don't even think of putting a laser printer [or any other device with a large motor] on a consumer grade UPS.
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I have a 2011 iMac 21.5 in. running 10.13.6. It has been running a bit hot lately, so I need to take it apart to clean it out. I also need to clean the screen on the inside because of a large clouded area. I have decided to replace the hard drive with a SSD drive when its apart. I have 2 questions. What format to use on the new drive? And how to get the iMac to boot up to my clone backup when I first start it up? I found some conflicting answers on a few web searches and just want to be sure.??
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 17:24, hoplist < hoplist@...> wrote:
I am fully sympathetic to the idea that investing time and effort into collecting fees may not be worth it. And I understand that moderation is hard and time consuming. Thank ?you.
To everyone else: If you spend time here, take a moment to note who the moderators are (it’s on the home page) and keep this in mind when you see the message comes from them. My son was once a professional moderator. He actually got paid to moderate and these were forums that he loved, but only a sense of duty kept him doing it.?
Some tips for following lists that will make your time (and the moderators) easier:
Set a filter for list mail that automatically moves every piece into it’s own folder. Set this list mail folder to view by thread.
For Apple Mail, go to Mail>Preferences>Rules and add a new rule. I recommend: If Subject contains "[macsupportcentral]” AND To contains “ [email protected]” then “Move Message” and then “Stop Evaluating Rules”
Note that when moderators post important messages about the group as a whole, they should have [Admin] or [ADMIN] at the start of the subject line.?
Otto
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
#Mac
I shut down my Mac each night before bed. ?I follow the usual sequence of clicking on the Apple icon, choosing shut down, and shut down again. ?
About 50% of the time my Mac will choose to Restart instead of shut down….and I have been extremely careful to choose shut down each time. ?
It’s really a pain having to wait for it to load up so I can shut it down again. ?It has always shut down on the second try when this happens.
Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions about this? ?I would love to find a fix. Janet
FWIW, my practice (on a laptop) has been to log out (Shift-Command-q or Option-Shift-Command-q), then click on the Shutdown or Restart buttonon the screen.
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On Oct 25, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Dave Kelly via Groups.Io < drkelly@...> wrote:
This topic has been hashed over and over for the past couple of weeks. I'm sorry my answer of "No" was so curt.
I am fully sympathetic to the idea that investing time and effort into collecting fees may not be worth it. And I understand that moderation is hard and time consuming. Thank ?you.
To everyone else: If you spend time here, take a moment to note who the moderators are (it’s on the home page) and keep this in mind when you see the message comes from them. My son was once a professional moderator. He actually got paid to moderate and these were forums that he loved, but only a sense of duty kept him doing it.?
Some tips for following lists that will make your time (and the moderators) easier:
Set a filter for list mail that automatically moves every piece into it’s own folder. Set this list mail folder to view by thread.
For Apple Mail, go to Mail>Preferences>Rules and add a new rule. I recommend: If Subject contains "[macsupportcentral]” AND To contains “ [email protected]” then “Move Message” and then “Stop Evaluating Rules”
Cheers, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? tod
Cheers,
?It's been asked and answered a few times. Anyway, if you would like to be a moderator and point out every time someone doesn't add a quote in their reply we could add you as one of our moderators. If you're interested, email [email protected] and make that a request.
Dave
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
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Howdy. Janet. Here is info on routine maintenance procedures for your Macintosh. 1. Safe Disk Boot. Restart your Mac and at the Chime press the Shift key. Keep it pressed while the Mac boots up. It will take longer to boot because it's doing maintenance things. When the Log in with your home user account password box appears let up on the Shift key, type your password, and it will finish booting. Safe Disk Boot shuts off a number of things that load automatically (like using the Internet), it deletes some cache files, it does a disk check. After doing a Safe Disk Boot, restart your Mac in the usual way. 2. Recovery Partition boot. Restart and press Command r. Your Mac should boot into an invisible partition that has a basic system folder and Disk Utility and other things. You can use First Aid on your normal boot drive to check and repair it. After finished you quit Disk Utility, restart (picking your normal boot drive). 3. OnyX by Titanium Software. <> OnyX is a great utility for doing a variety of maintenance things for your Mac. It's important to download the correct version of OnyX for your OS X version. OnyX can delete even more cache files than Safe Disk Boot. For learning about some of the steps, OnyX has a question mark in each panel that provides a brief explanation of that it does. Denver Dan On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 07:48:37 -0500, Janet Brunner via Groups.Io wrote: Thanks for the suggestions Dan, I appreciate it….but….I don’t know
how to do a Safe Disk Boot, and not quite sure how to delete cache
files. Would you be so kind as to guide me through these so I can
give it a try?
Thanks so much,
Janet
On Oct 26, 2019, at 7:44 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io
<otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
I shut down my MacBook Pro with the key combo
Control-Option-Command-Eject
Does that work with an iMac (if you don't have an Eject key, use the
Power button instead)?
Otto
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 10:26, Janet Brunner via Groups.Io
<janetsbrunner@...> wrote:
Hello All,
I have found one “issue” since upgrading to Catalina and it’s
starting to drive me crazy.
I shut down my Mac each night before bed. I follow the usual
sequence of clicking on the Apple icon, choosing shut down, and
shut down again. About 50% of the time my Mac will choose to
Restart instead of shut down….and I have been extremely careful to
choose shut down each time.
It’s really a pain having to wait for it to load up so I can shut
it down again. It has always shut down on the second try when this
happens.
<Screen Shot 2019-10-26 at 4.18.07 AM.png>
Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions about this? I would love
to find a fix. [|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|] iSent from iDan's GyazMail on my MacPro
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 14:53, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson= [email protected]> wrote: That’s not been my habit, and I didn’t realize it orchestrated an organized exit with appropriate reminders, and when I tried it on my Touch Bar equipped MacBook Pro, I discovered that the whole combo does not work with the combination Touch ID sensor/power button on current generation laptops (verified at Apple Support).
<> still gives that combo, so something's not right.
Otto
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
#Mac
I shut down my MacBook Pro with the key combo?Control-Option-Command-Eject
Does that work with an iMac (if you don't have?an Eject key, use the Power button instead)?
That’s not been my habit, and I didn’t realize it orchestrated an organized exit with appropriate reminders, and when I tried it on my Touch Bar equipped MacBook Pro, I discovered that the whole combo does not work with the combination Touch ID sensor/power button on current generation laptops (verified at Apple Support).
Jim Robertson
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On Oct 26, 2019, at 6:34 AM, ihor43us via Groups.Io < ihor43us@...> wrote:
There is the possibility that parts for octogenarian computers are in short supply so the question is will fans/controllers from younger Macs fit? I would think that those parts would be common over many generations.
Possibly so for your “Cheese Grater” Mac Pro, but not so for the iMac. Peeking at MacTracker, I was astounded to see that the current shape of the iMac has endured for about 15 years. I’d wager that there have been many minor and some major changes in the precise shape and location of its innards over the years as Jony Ives’s minions have waged their battle to keep it svelte on the outside but buffed on the inside (sorry for the technical terms). However, Mac sites such as iFixit and Other World Computing maintain well categorized inventories of Apple parts long after Apple stops selling them. If two iMacs and one Cheese Grater Mac Pro are overheating in your environment, I would worry a LOT about your wiring unless your house is also filled with cats and dogs or other hair-shedding mammals.
Jim Robertson
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Thanks for the suggestions Dan, I appreciate it….but….I don’t know how to do a Safe Disk Boot, and not quite sure how to delete cache files. ?Would you be so kind as to guide me through these so I can give it a try?Thanks so much,Janet
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Otto On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 10:26, Janet Brunner via Groups.Io <janetsbrunner= [email protected]> wrote: Hello All, I have found one “issue” since upgrading to Catalina and it’s starting to drive me crazy. I shut down my Mac each night before bed.? I follow the usual sequence of clicking on the Apple icon, choosing shut down, and shut down again.? About 50% of the time my Mac will choose to Restart instead of shut down….and I have been extremely careful to choose shut down each time. ? It’s really a pain having to wait for it to load up so I can shut it down again.? It has always shut down on the second try when this happens. <Screen Shot 2019-10-26 at 4.18.07 AM.png> Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions about this?? I would love to find a fix.
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
#Mac
I shut down my MacBook Pro with the key combo? Control-Option-Command-Eject
Does that work with an iMac (if you don't have?an Eject key, use the Power button instead)?
Otto
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 10:26, Janet Brunner via Groups.Io <janetsbrunner= [email protected]> wrote: Hello All, I have found one “issue” since upgrading to Catalina and it’s starting to drive me crazy. I shut down my Mac each night before bed.? I follow the usual sequence of clicking on the Apple icon, choosing shut down, and shut down again.? About 50% of the time my Mac will choose to Restart instead of shut down….and I have been extremely careful to choose shut down each time. ? It’s really a pain having to wait for it to load up so I can shut it down again.? It has always shut down on the second try when this happens. Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions about this?? I would love to find a fix.
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
#Mac
Howdy. Interesting. Janet I think I've experienced this same problem since changing to macOS X 10.15 Catalina. Only at first with the 10.15.0 upgrade. You might try some maintenance steps like a Safe Disk Boot and deleting cache files. Then boot into Recovery and do a First Aid run on your boot drive. Please pass on if this helps. Denver Dan On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 04:26:46 -0500, Janet Brunner via Groups.Io wrote: I have found one “issue” since upgrading to Catalina and it’s
starting to drive me crazy.
I shut down my Mac each night before bed. I follow the usual
sequence of clicking on the Apple icon, choosing shut down, and shut
down again. About 50% of the time my Mac will choose to Restart
instead of shut down….and I have been extremely careful to choose
shut down each time.
It’s really a pain having to wait for it to load up so I can shut it
down again. It has always shut down on the second try when this
happens.
Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions about this? I would love to
find a fix.
Thanks for any feedback.
Janet
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