Re: YouTube Premium to download videos
This is a complicated grey area depending on what content you are downloading and for what purpose, and I am NOT A LAWYER. First, it is a violation of YouTube’s TOS. Downloading via any means other than those explicitly permitted by YouTube is a TOS “contract” violation. Not illegal, a breach of contract. Does YouTube care? There is zero evidence that YouTube cares. The DMCA explicitly absolves streamers from the actions of their users.
Copyright: Any copying of copyrighted materials is de facto illegal unless there is a legal exception or a grant of license from the copyright holder. The grant of license can be broad, such as a Creative Commons license, or specific, “I hereby allow you to." Copyright is inherent and does NOT need to be asserted (since 1979?). The principle exceptions that allow use of copyrighted materials without permission are those granted by Fair Use, the DMCA, and a lot of complex case law.?
Not all material is copyrighted, but most is. There are works for which copyright was never established, has expired, or has been otherwise placed in the "Public Domain" by the creator. For instance most video created and funded by the US government is in the Public Domain by law.
The DMCA and downloaders: Downloader software should not be confused with software whose purpose is to circumvent copy protection like DeCSS. Circumventing copy protection, and creating software to do so, was made illegal by the DMCA. However, downloaders don’t necessarily do this. They don’t have to.?The consensus appears to be that streaming technology does not, by itself, constitute "copy protection" for purposes of the DMCA.?I was unable to find any legal precedent that has tested this assertion. YouTube does not employ active means of copy protection.?
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On May 7, 2025, at 4:41?AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
Thanks for that, Bev. I’ve not heard of EXO or BLOB before. We live and learn…
Otto
From what I've read, the videos are not downloaded in a format directly usable by you. ?YouTube downloads the videos as EXO (video chunk) or BLOB (Binary Large Object) files, depending on your device.??For each of these, the videos are broken into multiple binary files, only accessible through YouTube.
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Re: How to access a Memory Stick Pro
That’s good to know. I’ve found that, in general, (UK) ebay sellers will accept returns if the item isn’t as described and, if required, ebay will step in.
It’s not megabucks anyway, and the other connections might be useful.
(Years ago I thought Compact Flash was a “standard” to settle on. Some years later I’ve settled on ?SD as surely, they can’t get any smaller!)
Otto
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On 7 May 2025, at 22:43, Keith Parr via groups.io <kg.parr@...> wrote:
Thank you for looking, Otto.
The first one you found was the one I found on AliExpress and I think it will do the job - one of the cards in the picture is the right Memory Stick. And at that price it's worth a punt.
The other two links you found match the Memory Stick *Duo* which is a later model and not the same as the non-duo version.
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Re: How to access a Memory Stick Pro
Thank you for looking, Otto.
The first one you found was the one I found on AliExpress and I think it will do the job - one of the cards in the picture is the right Memory Stick.? And at that price it's worth a punt.
The other two links you found match the Memory Stick *Duo* which is a later model and not the same as the non-duo version.
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Re: Question about delivery of junk mail
On May 7, 2025, at 12:16, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
I have never had a gmail account. I do have an Apple email account that uses (unique user name) as an Alias. Why was it not rejected by the email server
Sounds like a question that should be directed to Apple’s support folks. At least in my case, they were behaving as intended, but of COURSE they’re doing something wrong if they deliver mail addressed to uniquename@... to your uniquename@... (or some other Apple domain. Of course, it’s also puzzling how the messages even REACHED Apple’s servers in the first place
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Re: Question about delivery of junk mail
No, that is not it. CC or BCC is old hat and gets deleted if it manages to get to me.?
This had only one recipient, the gmail corruption of one of my Apple email accounts.?
And I’ve had some jerk in Scandinavia enter one of my emails for his rail service account. So the rail service was sending his notifications to me. Like Jim Robertson getting notifications for another Jim Robertson in Scotland, for his groceries. Only Brent does not translate into any other language, and the spelling of my last name looks German, but is a Jewish name from a Slavic country, unless was a corruption during immigrations.?
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On May 7, 2025, at 11:43, Bev in TX via groups.io <countryone77@...> wrote:
? I'm not sure if the following is what you're seeing. ?My husband has received quite a few phishing emails recently in which his email address was in the cc or bcc lists. ?It's another way of confusing people. On May 7, 2025, at 1:16?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
I am curious. I just received several spam emails, that were addressed to (unique user name)@gmail.com and delivered into my Apple email account Junk folder.?
I have never had a gmail account. I do have an Apple email account that uses?(unique user name) as an Alias. Why was it not rejected by the email server, ?before even getting to the filters, then deposited into the iCloud Junk folder?
-- Bev in TX
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Re: Question about delivery of junk mail
I'm not sure if the following is what you're seeing. ?My husband has received quite a few phishing emails recently in which his email address was in the cc or bcc lists. ?It's another way of confusing people.
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On May 7, 2025, at 1:16?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
I am curious. I just received several spam emails, that were addressed to (unique user name)@gmail.com and delivered into my Apple email account Junk folder.?
I have never had a gmail account. I do have an Apple email account that uses?(unique user name) as an Alias. Why was it not rejected by the email server, ?before even getting to the filters, then deposited into the iCloud Junk folder?
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Bev in TX
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Question about delivery of junk mail
I am curious. I just received several spam emails, that were addressed to (unique user name)@gmail.com and delivered into my Apple email account Junk folder.?
I have never had a gmail account. I do have an Apple email account that uses?(unique user name) as an Alias. Why was it not rejected by the email server, ?before even getting to the filters, then deposited into the iCloud Junk folder?
Brent??
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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Re: How to access a Memory Stick Pro
Sorry, here’s the ebay US link?
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This looks like a better buy<>
Otto
Found this, but I’m not sure if the MS is the exact same type. Might be handy anyway, for all the other formats (Compact Flash doesn’t seem so compact now, does it? ;-) ). <>
Search ebay for "Memory Card Reader Mini 26-IN-1 USB 2.0 High Speed For CF xD SD MS SDHC”
if the link?doesn’t work.
Otto
i On 6 May 2025, at 19:04, Keith Parr via ??< kg.parr@...> wrote:
Not yet, Bev, and thanks for the thought. ? I found??which was helpful.? I then spent a happy (?) hour or so looking at AliExpress where the prices were somewhat more affordable than ChatGPT had found - more �10 than �100. ? I'm going to ask around locally and see whether I can find either an antique card reader or Sony device.
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Re: How to access a Memory Stick Pro
This looks like a better buy <>
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Found this, but I’m not sure if the MS is the exact same type. Might be handy anyway, for all the other formats (Compact Flash doesn’t seem so compact now, does it? ;-) ). <>
Search ebay for "Memory Card Reader Mini 26-IN-1 USB 2.0 High Speed For CF xD SD MS SDHC”
if the link?doesn’t work.
Otto
i On 6 May 2025, at 19:04, Keith Parr via < kg.parr@...> wrote:
Not yet, Bev, and thanks for the thought.
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I found which was helpful.? I then spent a happy (?) hour or so looking at AliExpress where the prices were somewhat more affordable than ChatGPT had found - more �10 than �100.
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I'm going to ask around locally and see whether I can find either an antique card reader or Sony device.
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Re: How to access a Memory Stick Pro
Found this, but I’m not sure if the MS is the exact same type. Might be handy anyway, for all the other formats (Compact Flash doesn’t seem so compact now, does it? ;-) ). <>
Search ebay for "Memory Card Reader Mini 26-IN-1 USB 2.0 High Speed For CF xD SD MS SDHC”
if the link?doesn’t work.
Otto
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On 6 May 2025, at 19:04, Keith Parr via < kg.parr@...> wrote:
Not yet, Bev, and thanks for the thought.
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I found which was helpful.? I then spent a happy (?) hour or so looking at AliExpress where the prices were somewhat more affordable than ChatGPT had found - more �10 than �100.
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I'm going to ask around locally and see whether I can find either an antique card reader or Sony device.
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Re: YouTube Premium to download videos
Thanks for that, Bev. I’ve not heard of EXO or BLOB before. We live and learn…
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From what I've read, the videos are not downloaded in a format directly usable by you. ?YouTube downloads the videos as EXO (video chunk) or BLOB (Binary Large Object) files, depending on your device.??For each of these, the videos are broken into multiple binary files, only accessible through YouTube.
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Re: audio message, full screen warning
Thanks Brent.
Otto
(One of your moderators)
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On 7 May 2025, at 00:35, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Monitor, the post by ygroups, looks like spam. Please remove that member.
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Re: YouTube Premium to download videos
From what I've read, the videos are not downloaded in a format directly usable by you. ?YouTube downloads the videos as EXO (video chunk) or BLOB (Binary Large Object) files, depending on your device.??For each of these, the videos are broken into multiple binary files, only accessible through YouTube.
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On May 7, 2025, at 12:42?AM, Christopher Collins via groups.io <maclist@...> wrote:
If they allow download, which YouTube do, I’m not sure it matters how you download them. I like JDownloader2 because I can limit the amount of files it downloads (only video file).
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Bev in TX
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Re: YouTube Premium to download videos
OK, so I’ve started a whole other argument.
If they allow download, which YouTube do, I’m not sure it matters how you download them. I like JDownloader2 because I can limit the amount of files it downloads (only video file).
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On 7 May 2025, at 2:57?pm, Eric Nelson via groups.io <emanmb@...> wrote:
I didn’t have LOTS of time to look at those 3rd party programs, but I did read that technically, using them to download YouTube videos is not permitted by intellectual property laws.
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Jim Robertson
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So what would be the legal difference between using an online download site vs whatever YT supposedly supplies? ?
Personally I can't be bothered w/their nonsense and stuff that doesn't work and have always used whatever site works for free.?
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I didn’t have LOTS of time to look at those 3rd party programs, but I did read that technically, using them to download YouTube videos is not permitted by intellectual property laws.
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Jim Robertson
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So what would be the legal difference between using an online download site vs whatever YT supposedly supplies? ?
Personally I can't be bothered w/their nonsense and stuff that doesn't work and have always used whatever site works for free.?
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Monitor, the post by ygroups, looks like spam. Please remove that member.
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
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Re: audio message, full screen warning
Willie,?
I hope you realized that was baloney. Apple has nothing to do with your internet connection.?
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On May 6, 2025, at 12:53, Willi Miller <caribsea@...> wrote:
? Got a full screen, audio message telling me Apple had disconnected my Internet and that I should not shut down my computer. I'm going to shut down shortly, hoping it's not legit. Is anyone else getting this?
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Willi Miller
iMac 21.5 2017 Mojave
MacBook Air
2 iPad Air 2s
iPhone i6s
various older desktops and laptops, including a couple of G4s
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Re: audio message, full screen warning
On May 6, 2025, at 3:53?PM, Willi Miller <caribsea@...> wrote:
Got a full screen, audio message telling me Apple had disconnected my Internet and that I should not shut down my computer. I'm going to shut down shortly, hoping it's not legit. Is anyone else getting this?
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Willi Miller
iMac 21.5 2017 Mojave
MacBook Air
2 iPad Air 2s
iPhone i6s
various older desktops and laptops, including a couple of G4s
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audio message, full screen warning
Got a full screen, audio message telling me Apple had disconnected my Internet and that I should not shut down my computer. I'm going to shut down shortly, hoping it's not legit. Is anyone else getting this?
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Willi Miller
iMac 21.5 2017 Mojave
MacBook Air
2 iPad Air 2s
iPhone i6s
various older desktops and laptops, including a couple of G4s
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Re: How to access a Memory Stick Pro
Not yet, Bev, and thanks for the thought.
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I found which was helpful.? I then spent a happy (?) hour or so looking at AliExpress where the prices were somewhat more affordable than ChatGPT had found - more �10 than �100.
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I'm going to ask around locally and see whether I can find either an antique card reader or Sony device.
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Keith
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Brent