It means Chrome has gotten out of control, force quit Chrome and start it up again. If it repeats, avoid that web site.
Your Storage on your Mac maybe too full, find out how much available memory you have on your drive.?
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the Ryoko Pro that is a portable wifi I have Verizon as my cell program and am pleased with it. But have to pay for the monthly hotspots for areas where the internet is spotty Thanks Sue
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thanks, Randy
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On Nov 21, 2024, at 2:44 PM, Jeannie Girard via groups.io <photojeannie8@...> wrote:
I lost my upper tool bars. Try hitting: Command-Option-T
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On Nov 21, 2024, at 7:30?PM, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
Perhaps someone might be willing to see what happens in Safari if they open??(actually <>) on their own Apple Silicon or Intel Macs.
I’ve done just that myself on my 2017 21.5” iMac running the version of Safari that’s designated for Ventura 13.6.7. I suspect a UI freeze will be less likely on that machine because it has 32 GB of RAM, but for at least the first several minutes of observation with the KBZK website open to its home page, RAM consumption it NOT increasing rapidly (sitting in the range of 300-350 MB).
And now, a bit more than an hour later, that one site is now using a bit more than 500 MB of RAM according to Activity Monitor, but the rate of increase has been MUCH slower. Also, perhaps because the machine has so much more RAM, there’s no sign of any decrement in simple performance, such as windows updating, etc., but I’m not doing anything known to really exercise the processor.
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On Nov 22, 2024, at 9:38?AM, Louise Stewart via groups.io <veggie236.art@...> wrote:
And how do I fix it?
Hi, Louise. Not sure whether I’ll have an answer, but some more information might help. For example, what kind of Mac (detailed information can be obtained either from knowing its basics and placing information about it from the third party “MacTracker” app, or from “Machine Profile” from your installed apps into another message to the group, along with information about what version of macOS is installed on your machine. However, the amounts of memory in use according to your screenshot are NOT really high unless it’s a relatively old machine.
I’m occasionally having a possibly similar problem on an almost new Mac laptop, In my case, it looks as though an individual website is consuming an enormous amount of memory when Safari is the active browser. You can get more information about that by using a utility installed by the operating system, Activity Monitor. However, my attempts to solve my own problem have led me to realize that Activity Monitor does not track memory dedicated to a particular website.
I’d also suggest you consider using a different Chromium-based browser. Google Chrome is widely regarded by people who know much more than I as weaponized by Google to acquire as much information about you as possible for its own monetary purposes. Depending on how old you computer is, you might look at other Chromium-based browsers that don’t have that scurrilous reputation.
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Sequoia Time Machine issues.
Hi,
Several of my clients have had problems with Time Machine after the update. It goes approximately 85-95 % then fails with error messages?
I found this resolution, and it appears to resolve it:
Yes - the problem is very much related to Time Machine losing permissions to certain files when the machine sleeps. I've worked around this (until it's fixed) by making the following changes to power management:
sudo pmset -b hibernatemode 0 sudo pmset -b standby 0 sudo pmset -b disksleep 1
What this does is prevent the machine from fully hibernating. This will affect battery life a little if it's a laptop you regularly take about the place, but in general terms this is how MacOS -used- to operate.
If you aren’t experiencing the issue of Time Machine failing, feel free to ignore, but if you are, these Terminal commands have resolved it for three of my clients.
Hope it helps.
Paul
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the Ryoko Pro that is a portable wifi
I have Verizon as my cell program and am pleased with it. But have to pay for the monthly hotspots for areas where the internet is spotty
Thanks
Sue
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On Nov 21, 2024, at 5:06?PM, Jim Saklad via groups.io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
Download (if necessary) and run a different browser. I choose Brave.
Open the TV site in the other browser.
Let us know what happens.
Interestingly, Brave doesn’t display the Memory footprint of individual URLs. I tried several. The same is true of Chrome. Each of those browsers results in several iterations of [browsername].helper being displayed when “All Processes” is chosen from the “View” menu in Activity Monitor, but I’ve not been able to replicate what I see with Safari running.
Again, I have NO idea what that means.
Perhaps someone might be willing to see what happens in Safari if they open ?(actually <>) on their own Apple Silicon or Intel Macs.
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On Nov 21, 2024, at 2:44 PM, Jeannie Girard via groups.io <photojeannie8@...> wrote:
I lost my upper tool bars. Try hitting: Command-Option-T __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Yep! Looks like you figured out which web site. Now switch Activity Monitor from RAM to CPU Activity and look for which processes are using those CPU cycles.
Easiest fix, don’t visit that web site, but I understand why you might not want to do that.
Maybe someone can tell you how to diagnose what that web site is doing. Dennis, your thoughts?
Just a WAG, wild a?? guess. I have never heard of this kind of problem, so is something criminal going on by someone that might have hacked the site?
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
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On Nov 21, 2024, at 15:53, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
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On Nov 21, 2024, at 15:12, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Maybe you should use less of their features or close their tab once in a while (Referring to a tab in Safari using well over 10 GB of RAM).
To test this, I closed ALL apps with a visible UI on my Mac except Finder, and leaving only two websites open in Safari before quitting from it before rebooting the computer.
After rebooting, I just left the computer running for 15-20 minutes without launching any apps other than Activity Monitor. RAM in use remained stable.
Then I launched Safari, and the two previous websites, each in its own window, reopened, and while the RAM usage by those two single-tab Safari windows creeps up a bit, the increments are small. Then, i open a third window to the home page of the TV station. It starts out using a bit over 500 MB of RAM, and within 5-6 minutes it’s consuming over 5 GIGABytes, while RAM usage by the two other windows (and the parent Safari process) has remained stable.
WHY this is happening, I have not a clue, but i cannot imagine it’s by design.
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On Nov 21, 2024, at 17:06, Jim Saklad via groups.io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
Try doing everything the same as this, but NOT opening the TV station site.
I HAVE done that, but not opening the offending site using a different browser, which i will try when i get home. I also have an older macOS on a 7 yo iMac, and that might be interesting as well.
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Jim Robertson wrote: Then, I open a third window to the home page of the TV station. It starts out using a bit over 500 MB of RAM, and within 5-6 minutes it’s consuming over 5 GIGABytes, while RAM usage by the two other windows (and the parent Safari process) has remained stable.
Try doing everything the same as this, but NOT opening the TV station site.
Download (if necessary) and run a different browser. I choose Brave.
Open the TV site in the other browser.
Let us know what happens.
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On Nov 21, 2024, at 15:12, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Maybe you should use less of their features or close their tab once in a while
(Referring to a tab in Safari using well over 10 GB of RAM). To test this, I closed ALL apps with a visible UI on my Mac except Finder, and leaving only two websites open in Safari before quitting from it before rebooting the computer. After rebooting, I just left the computer running for 15-20 minutes without launching any apps other than Activity Monitor. RAM in use remained stable. Then I launched Safari, and the two previous websites, each in its own window, reopened, and while the RAM usage by those two single-tab Safari windows creeps up a bit, the increments are small. Then, i open a third window to the home page of the TV station. It starts out using a bit over 500 MB of RAM, and within 5-6 minutes it’s consuming over 5 GIGABytes, while RAM usage by the two other windows (and the parent Safari process) has remained stable. WHY this is happening, I have not a clue, but i cannot imagine it’s by design. Jim Robertson
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problems with yesterday's update
I am pulling out my hair ,and have been working for hours to fix some of the problems caused by the latest up date to Sequoia , First of all my desktop became cluttered with all kinds of files that were very old and never had been on my new computer. I lost my upper tool bars. I am unable to get into my computer after it wakes from sleep without putting in my password..and yes I have followed the directions from Apple as to how to circumvent using a password when the computer is waking from? sleep.? I guess that I am now going to be stuck doing something I have not had to do ever before..and yes I have rebooted several times, But? I have never had so many problems with any upgrade on any of my Macs before. Just think up until yesterday, my only gripe was not be able to use a keyboard short cut to put my? new Imac to sleep.
anyone else having any problems after? doing the upgrade?
Jeannie
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I would tend to think that you have too many app open and too many tbs open in your browsers.?
I’m going to share a similar experience on a more limited ?platform, my iPhone XR with 8GB of ram. I play and have open 2 video games 24/7. Both need an internet connection. One is a particular hog. After playing for almost 3 years, I have a lot going on in this world which uses perspective view to give a simulation of 3D. Many actions cause it to freeze up, even with only 3 open apps. Lost Survivors, the offending video game, Merge Mansion, the other video game, in the background and less demanding when active, and DataMan which monitors my internet connection, thru either cellular data, which is very limited, or thru WiFi, which is unlimited. All other apps are shut off when I play the one game. The other doesn’t care.?
Heck, a month or two back, didn’t your wife have a problem and you found she had dozens of tabs open in her browser. You closed a bunch and the problem went away.? ? I doubt the TV station is going to change their site just for you, but do let them know. Maybe you should use less of their features or close their tab once in a while. If you are following a news feed, try using a stand alone app, rather than a browser. Or change browsers or remove any related extension. Generally, web sites don’t push data, you have to pull, and/or allow them to push.?
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? On Nov 20, 2024, at 10:11?AM, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
Another clue I just noticed by launching Activity Monitor while the UI is functioning NORMALLY is that at the moment the largest memory hog is the website of a local TV station <>, which currently has NO open windows in Safari, the only currently running browser.
Bev, thank you for your suggestions. I’m beginning to think that Mail is not the culprit beyond the fact that I spend a lot of time in it, and so it’s more likely to be in the foreground at the moment the UI can no longer tolerate the consumption of RAM by that one website in Safari. I’ve taken a series of screenshots this morning with Safari and Activity Monitor (and eventually Preview, which I use to examine the screenshots) open. Just by chance, I had a few other pages open in Safari, and although their RAM usage also increases over time, it’s nowhere near to the extent that happens as compared with the single page open from the local TV station’s site.
I’m not in the habit of closing apps or windows in my browser, and perhaps that’s all I need to do to prevent this from happening. I’m in conversation with tech folks at the local TV station, but I don’t know yet whether the people I’m sharing information with are able or willing to tell me whether their web interface is somehow not releasing RAM allocated to it. The almost complete freeing of my UI might be more attributable to Safari than to any individual website, but other sites pale in comparison to this TV station’s use of RAM, at least as reported by Activity Monitor..
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On Nov 20, 2024, at 10:11?AM, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
Another clue I just noticed by launching Activity Monitor while the UI is functioning NORMALLY is that at the moment the largest memory hog is the website of a local TV station <>, which currently has NO open windows in Safari, the only currently running browser.
Bev, thank you for your suggestions. I’m beginning to think that Mail is not the culprit beyond the fact that I spend a lot of time in it, and so it’s more likely to be in the foreground at the moment the UI can no longer tolerate the consumption of RAM by that one website in Safari. I’ve taken a series of screenshots this morning with Safari and Activity Monitor (and eventually Preview, which I use to examine the screenshots) open. Just by chance, I had a few other pages open in Safari, and although their RAM usage also increases over time, it’s nowhere near to the extent that happens as compared with the single page open from the local TV station’s site.
I’m not in the habit of closing apps or windows in my browser, and perhaps that’s all I need to do to prevent this from happening. I’m in conversation with tech folks at the local TV station, but I don’t know yet whether the people I’m sharing information with are able or willing to tell me whether their web interface is somehow not releasing RAM allocated to it. The almost complete freeing of my UI might be more attributable to Safari than to any individual website, but other sites pale in comparison to this TV station’s use of RAM, at least as reported by Activity Monitor..
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I don’t have any definitive answers, just some general troubleshooting comments.
While it’s handy for macOS to restart all of your open apps when rebooting, when problems like this occur, it can also bring back unwanted processes that are running in the background. ?So if that is on, If it were me, I would ?turn that off the next time I rebooted. ?In fact I would reboot just to turn that off. ?That is, deselect “Reopen windows when logging back in.” when prompted. ?With that in place, Safari and any of its background processes won’t automatically reopen when the system reboots.
If you force quit Safari, then you can reopen it without its previously opened windows and tabs by holding down the shift key while opening it. ?This also works when you have have set Safari to always open windows from the last session… Safari > Settings > General >? ?? ??Safari opens with: All windows from last session?
You can clear a specific website’s data, or for all websites…
Have you looked at Safari extensions? ?Is there extension that you recently added, or are there any extensions of which you were unaware?
Starting your Mac in Safe mode will clear system caches and boot without starting your login items. ?Does the problem still occur in Safe mode?
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On Nov 20, 2024, at 11:12?AM, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
This has happened to me a few times recently. I’m still on Sonoma macOS14.7 (partly for sentimental reasons—I lived in Sonoma County, CA from1996 to 2017).
I don’t do prophylactic or scheduled restarts, and perhaps that’s the habit I need to change. What happens is that the UI for one app will freeze (pointer moves appropriately with trackpad input, the open-apps switcher summoned by entering ?-Tab opens, but behind the “frozen” app, which usually is Mail), and I can bring up the “Force Quit” window by entering ?-Option-Esc, but I cannot close windows either with keyboard commands or clicking on the window management buttons in their left upper corners.
Once I’ve opened the “Force-Quit” window (again, behind the window of the app in the foreground window that has stopped responding to user input), I can still see that some of the UI remains active. For example, one Navigation keystroke combo still works (sort of) with the “Force-Quit” window in the foreground. Embarrassingly, I don’t remember now WHAT that keystroke combo is (I think it’s ?-Tab), but what happens is that as I tap it, the icons in the dock representing open apps successively display a gray enclosing frame, but the windows themselves don’t change order on screen. I’m not able to open or close other utility or productivity apps (for example, Activity Manager), and, indeed, the only?keyboard input accepted is a long press on the Touch ID key, which reboots the computer after being held down for 6 seconds or so.
Previously open apps do re-open with the reboot, and apps such as Mail that save user input without explicit commands to do so seem to have done so (messages being composed for example). If I launch Activity Manager after rebooting, it typically displays “WindowServer” as the app using the most RAM.
Another clue I just noticed by launching Activity Monitor while the UI is functioning NORMALLY is that at the moment the largest memory hog is the website of a local TV station <>, which currently has NO open windows in Safari, the only currently running browser.
Does any of this sound familiar to other users? Should I try to contact the IT team at the local TV station? Right now Activity Monitor says it’s using more than 14 GB of RAM after opening its home page in Safari (it was at 8 GB with no windows open from its domain)!
Unfortunately, I didn’t save that screen grab, and after rebooting things don’t look so awful even after I open that web page intentionally, but clicking on the line in Activity Monitor that lists the task by the TV Station’s URL still suggests something amok with that website. The report doesn’t list solely memory being used by the website, but the percent consumption of CPU activity fluctuates wildly, from as little as 1% to as much as > 60%. It’s already listed as using 4.27 GB of RAM, but looking at those details suggests it’s not THAT extreme:
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Wanted to give any United States-based members...interested in a new Apple computer...a head's up on some great Apple Computer deals at Costco. (You can purchase online.)
Looks like pretty much everything is well below Apple Store prices.
Costco's everyday price on Apple computers is typically lower than the Apple Store (almost always a little bit below Apple MSRP). But this sale is even better.
For example...they are offering the newly released base model M4 Mac-Mini (16GB RAM, 256GB storage)...for just $499 + tax.
Current Apple Store price is $599...Costco everyday price is/was $579. But now thru 12/2/24...base model M4 Mac-Mini's are $499.
Other Apple Computers on sale:
* Base model M2 Mac Studio = $1799
* Base model M2 MacBook Air = $749
* Base model M3 14" MacBook Pro = $1149
* Base model M4 Mac-Mini = $499
Other models are also on sale. Prices good thru 12/2/24.
Even if you aren't a Costco member...and you need to purchase a membership ($65)...you will still end up with a lower overall price than purchasing directly from the Apple Store.
Even better...if you know someone that's a Costco member...go with them & purchase.:)
Also Costco has a 90 day no questions asked return policy on computers. Apple standard return policy is ONLY 14 days.
Lastly...if all of this wasn't enough. Costco doubles the manufacture's warranty on computers (and other electronics). Thus a 1 year warranty...is extended to 2 years. I believe 1st year is the Apple warranty...2nd year warranty is thru Costco itself.
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2023 14" M3 MacBook Pro with partially freezing UI
This has happened to me a few times recently. I’m still on Sonoma macOS14.7 (partly for sentimental reasons—I lived in Sonoma County, CA from1996 to 2017).
I don’t do prophylactic or scheduled restarts, and perhaps that’s the habit I need to change. What happens is that the UI for one app will freeze (pointer moves appropriately with trackpad input, the open-apps switcher summoned by entering ?-Tab opens, but behind the “frozen” app, which usually is Mail), and I can bring up the “Force Quit” window by entering ?-Option-Esc, but I cannot close windows either with keyboard commands or clicking on the window management buttons in their left upper corners.
Once I’ve opened the “Force-Quit” window (again, behind the window of the app in the foreground window that has stopped responding to user input), I can still see that some of the UI remains active. For example, one Navigation keystroke combo still works (sort of) with the “Force-Quit” window in the foreground. Embarrassingly, I don’t remember now WHAT that keystroke combo is (I think it’s ?-Tab), but what happens is that as I tap it, the icons in the dock representing open apps successively display a gray enclosing frame, but the windows themselves don’t change order on screen. I’m not able to open or close other utility or productivity apps (for example, Activity Manager), and, indeed, the only?keyboard input accepted is a long press on the Touch ID key, which reboots the computer after being held down for 6 seconds or so.
Previously open apps do re-open with the reboot, and apps such as Mail that save user input without explicit commands to do so seem to have done so (messages being composed for example). If I launch Activity Manager after rebooting, it typically displays “WindowServer” as the app using the most RAM.
Another clue I just noticed by launching Activity Monitor while the UI is functioning NORMALLY is that at the moment the largest memory hog is the website of a local TV station <>, which currently has NO open windows in Safari, the only currently running browser.
Does any of this sound familiar to other users? Should I try to contact the IT team at the local TV station? Right now Activity Monitor says it’s using more than 14 GB of RAM after opening its home page in Safari (it was at 8 GB with no windows open from its domain)!
Unfortunately, I didn’t save that screen grab, and after rebooting things don’t look so awful even after I open that web page intentionally, but clicking on the line in Activity Monitor that lists the task by the TV Station’s URL still suggests something amok with that website. The report doesn’t list solely memory being used by the website, but the percent consumption of CPU activity fluctuates wildly, from as little as 1% to as much as > 60%. It’s already listed as using 4.27 GB of RAM, but looking at those details suggests it’s not THAT extreme:
And, because I was unable to open Activity Monitor once the computer’s UI became unusable yesterday, I don’t REALLY know if something amok at the website in question had anything to do with that oddity..
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