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Re: My journey from High Sierra to Sonoma

 

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David,

Your post is very timely for me as I’m having an issue doing the same using Migration Assistant in a similar situation. In my case I’m going from Sierra to Ventura. Can you share the method you used to successfully migrate content from a MacBook 2012 Intel machine running High Sierra to a modern day MacBook Apple M3 machine running Sonoma? If you can see my post from yesterday and my reply today to another response under the Subject line: Migration Assistant Woes I would sure appreciate your input.

It looks as though I may need to reinstall the OS at this point.

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On Jan 3, 2024, at 7:12 PM, DavidU <davidu02@...> wrote:

I replaced my wife and my 2012 MBPs running High Sierra with M3 MBPs running Sonoma. Migration assistant transferred everything properly except my calendar now has double entries. What is the procedure to fix that problem?

3M MacBook Pro 2023 OS 14.2.1 [Sonoma]
iPhone 8 64GB iOS 16.7.4 T-Mobile
iPad mini 2 16GB iOS 12.5.7


My journey from High Sierra to Sonoma

 

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I replaced my wife and my 2012 MBPs running High Sierra with M3 MBPs running Sonoma. Migration assistant transferred everything properly except my calendar now has double entries. What is the procedure to fix that problem?

3M MacBook Pro 2023 OS 14.2.1 [Sonoma]
iPhone 8 64GB iOS 16.7.4 T-Mobile
iPad mini 2 16GB iOS 12.5.7


Re: Migration Assistant Woes

 

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Thank you for your reply and experienced troubleshooting advice.

The “source” computer running Sierra is a MacBook Pro (Retina 15-inch) Mid 2014, Intel. The destination computer running Ventura is iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2019, also Intel. I believe this model was the last one produced that supported Mojave OS but went back no further.

You write that the *usual* way of using Migration Assistant was to run it exclusively from the destination end rather than the source? I started that way but I think the program instructed me to also run Migration Assistant from the source end as well. As both programs were running simultaneously the progress windows on each matched throughout the entire transfer, or should I say supposed transfer given that, as described in my initial post, nothing shows up on the iMac running Ventura. Is it possible to migrate using the program solely on the destination side?

If I needed to re-install Ventura on the iMac using Recovery Mode (which I will have to educate myself about in that I have never done that) will it enable me to retain the applications I have already installed on the internal drive? I recently installed the Infinity suite and applied specific settings to one of the programs.

Thank you again. Much appreciated.

—Tony Troiano—

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On Jan 3, 2024, at 1:59 PM, Jim Saklad via <jimdoc@...> wrote:

Without further information it is hard to be sure, but I suspect the iMac is too recent to run Sierra and the migration the way you performed it may have tried to install Sierra on it.

The *usual* way of using Migration Assistant is to start with a bootable computer and use the assistant ON THAT COMPUTER to transfer (data) files TO it FROM another.

I think you may have to re-install an operating system on the iMac, which likely means using Recovery Mode.
Then boot from that, and run Migration Assistant to extract files from your Sierra laptop.
How old is the iMac? Is it Intel-based or Apple Silicon (M1, M2…) (This determines how to get into Recovery Mode.)

Tony Troiano wrote:
Last night I tethered my Laptop running Sierra to an iMac running Ventura via ethernet and activating Migrant Assistant between the two commencing the night long transference of documents and all related files from the laptop to iMac.
This morning I received a prompt on the Sierra laptop end that the migration had completed but on the receiving end of the iMac running Ventura the screen was black except for a message that the computer was shut down improperly and to strike any key to reboot.
After the same message appeared again and again I forced the shut down, waited a few minutes and attempted to reboot again, receiving the same message.
The internal drive receiving the migration appears to be unbootable.
I was able to start the computer booting from an external drive I have which contains two partitions, one running Ventura and the other running Mojave, both boot successfully.
Using either as a startup I was able to view the contents of the internal drive.
Upon doing so I see no evidence of any documents having been transferred in from the migration.
The internal drive appears to be in the same state as it was before except now I cannot use it as a startup volume although it still appears in the startup list of bootable drives.

Now I’m concerned that I used Migration Assistant improperly and have corrupted the internal drive in the process. Did I need to perform the migration using Target Disc Mode to transfer documents, apps, and settings properly? I have no experience with booting from Target Disc Mode.

Also, I’ve read that the fastest way to migrate would be to go through Thunderbolt. But I cannot find Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) cables available from Apple and I think buying one from a third party might not be a good idea.

Apple sells a Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 adapter, but at $49 for a single use, I would probably stick to ethernet.


Question on compatibility: Drobo and Sonoma OS 14

 

Can anyone confirm?that OS 14 works with a Drobo 5D. I was told that Sonoma wasn't compatible?but I have seen some reports otherwise.

Thanks,

Kim

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Re: Time Machine and Super Duper question

 

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I understand that it does back up everything that you have not set to be excluded.

Pat

On Jan 3, 2024, at 11:11 AM, Bob Stern via <bobbystern@...> wrote:

Does Time Machine backup both users information or only the one that is currently logged on?


Re: Formatting toolbar in Mail?

 

Or does that page in the manual say, “Bend over and kiss your…

Remember what they put Captain Sullenberger through because he couldn’t beat a simulation, where the test pilots knew ahead of time what was about to happen.

Or the commercial passenger planes that crashed because of a faulty attitude / stall system, yet it worked in simulation.

Simulation is _not_ real life, and engineers are not omni-potent, no matter how much they think they are.

Brent

On my iPhone Xr

On Jan 3, 2024, at 11:25, DaveC via groups.io <davec2468@...> wrote:

And most gob-smacking to me (retired technical writer) is that the emergency procedures manual had instructions for flying the plane if either engine quit, but nothing—NOTHING—if both engines quit.

Dave


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Because in this example it was a synthetic round sling. Basically a loop of yard. All the manufacturers manufacturing and test equipment was designed for what we call SAE, not metric, including the charts that tell them how many loops give how much capacity. To take the sling capacity above the required lift capacity, the sling itself was thicker but had enough stretch to work properly and give the proper flight attitude during the lift.

Also, US citizens are not as fluent in conversion, compared to the rest of the world. Remember, we failed miserably to convert over to the much simpler metric system in the 1970s, and have fought it ever since. Why else would we make auto mechanics buy two sets of tools to work on our vehicles, SAE and metric?

Brent

On my iPhone Xr

On Jan 3, 2024, at 11:10, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:

?Sometimes “close enough” is not close enough, as you say, but why was the sling not 9’10”, almost exactly 3 metres?

Otto

On 3 Jan 2024, at 18:48, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:

Interesting to know, but not being a pilot or mechanic, I never ran into that before.

I used to be involved in lifting light, little things weighing only 40 metric tons.

I had to deal with length and mass. Since rigging comes from tall masted ships, I had to deal with the “US” ton, the metric tonne, and occasionally long and short tons. Thankfully, Imperial measurements didn’t come up.

Since the original rigging was in metric lengths, to prevent unstable lifts, we had custom slings made. So to match a 3 meter sling we had ones made that were 9 foot 9 inches. 10 foot slings are standard here, but could throw off a lift enough to be outside safety standards.





Re: Formatting toolbar in Mail?

 

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And most gob-smacking to me (retired technical writer) is that the emergency procedures manual had instructions for flying the plane if either engine quit, but nothing—NOTHING—if both engines quit.?

Dave

On Jan 3, 2024, at 11:06 AM, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:

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On Jan 3, 2024, at 9:13?AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:

I’m too impatient/lazy to read every character in that article. Please enlighten me.

I mentioned that tale because it’s a truly AMAZING example of what can happen when written or electronic communications are imprecise or misunderstood. You don’t need to read beyond the first several paragraphs to be amazed by what went wrong and what (entirely capriciously) went right. The Air Canada 767 that plummeted (OK, glided, but I’ll bet no one on board enjoyed that 15% glide slope) from 41,000 feet was brand new and “state of the art,” but because ONE electronic fuel measuring instrument malfunctioned, calculations that involved using a dipstick (hilariously misspelled in the article as “dripstick”) to measure the fuel on board, then confusion among US gallons, imperial gallons, and metric units recording volume, or column height of fuel in the tanks, or some bizarre combination thereof led to a horrendous overestimate of the amount of fuel on board. A number of fortuitous factors saved potentially hundreds of lives that day, including:

  1. The Air Canada Captain was a highly skilled glider pilot, and used those skills to control an enormous airplane during the 17 minutes it “flew” with no engine power (or electronic instruments that required engine-generated electricity, or manually movable aircraft control surfaces).
  2. The no-longer-registered military airfield the crew used to land the 767 was familiar to a member of the flight crew who had used that airfield when in the RCAF.
  3. The amateur drag-racing event happening on the airfield as the jumbo jet plopped down onto what was now a “drag” racing event was staffed by weekend recreationists who had safety training to put out fires on garage-modified race cars, but they leveraged those skills to douse flames on a machine capable of transporting hundreds of passengers.?
  4. Some of the “missing feature” failures caused by the engine flameouts actually enabled the plane to stop on the shortened runway. For example, there was no electrical or hydraulic power to lock the nose wheel into the down position, and a “gravity drop” didn’t do so, so the plane skidded to a stop more quickly than it would have had the nose wheel locked in place.

When I was younger and more reckless, I sometimes pretended I was a racecar driver at amateur events held on famous California racetracks. Being prepared to handle a jumbo jet plummeting out of the sky onto the “back straight” of the racetrack was something I never, ever considered.

But you’re right; it’s not necessary to read beyond the first few paragraphs to get the essence of the story.
_________________________
?Not really mentioned in the article is that one thing contributing to the absence of mass death was that there were only 67 passengers on the plane. If this happened today, the plane would have been at least 95% full, weighing many many tons more and would probably have not made it to the field.

--?
Jim Robertson


Re: Formatting toolbar in Mail?

 

Sometimes “close enough” is not close enough, as you say, but why was the sling not 9’10”, almost exactly 3 metres?

Otto

On 3 Jan 2024, at 18:48, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:

Interesting to know, but not being a pilot or mechanic, I never ran into that before.

I used to be involved in lifting light, little things weighing only 40 metric tons.

I had to deal with length and mass. Since rigging comes from tall masted ships, I had to deal with the “US” ton, the metric tonne, and occasionally long and short tons. Thankfully, Imperial measurements didn’t come up.

Since the original rigging was in metric lengths, to prevent unstable lifts, we had custom slings made. So to match a 3 meter sling we had ones made that were 9 foot 9 inches. 10 foot slings are standard here, but could throw off a lift enough to be outside safety standards.


Re: Formatting toolbar in Mail?

 

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On 3 Jan 2024, at 18:14, Jim Saklad via <jimdoc@...> wrote:

Otto Nikolaus wrote:
Yes, I did notice “dripstick”. I wonder, has that been left uncorrected deliberately for humorous effect?

Dripstick and dipstick are 2 different methods (for different circumstances) of measuring fluid levels.

Take a tank with an opening at the top, like a filler tube. Dip a stick into the top-hole, draw it out, look at the fluid level on the stick, use that information (how much depth from top of tank to top of fluid) to estimate the volume of fluid in the container (typically using a pre-calculated table of measurements).

An aircraft wing-tank has no hole in the top to drop a dipstick into.
Instead, it is equipped with a hollow tube that goes UP from the bottom of the wing to the inside top of the tank. Unlatch the cover and slowly draw the tube down until fuel starts to drip (which is why it is a drip-stick) from the dependent opening. Note the measurement mark on the tube. Compare it to the calibrated chart to give the fuel amount in the tank.

Aha! Didn’t know that. Thanks, Jim.

Otto


Re: Migration Assistant Woes

 

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Without further information it is hard to be sure, but I suspect the iMac is too recent to run Sierra and the migration the way you performed it may have tried to install Sierra on it.

The *usual* way of using Migration Assistant is to start with a bootable computer and use the assistant ON THAT COMPUTER to transfer (data) files TO it FROM another.

I think you may have to re-install an operating system on the iMac, which likely means using Recovery Mode.
Then boot from that, and run Migration Assistant to extract files from your Sierra laptop.
How old is the iMac? Is it Intel-based or Apple Silicon (M1, M2…) (This determines how to get into Recovery Mode.)

Tony Troiano wrote:
Last night I tethered my Laptop running Sierra to an iMac running Ventura via ethernet and activating Migrant Assistant between the two commencing the night long transference of documents and all related files from the laptop to iMac.
This morning I received a prompt on the Sierra laptop end that the migration had completed but on the receiving end of the iMac running Ventura the screen was black except for a message that the computer was shut down improperly and to strike any key to reboot.
After the same message appeared again and again I forced the shut down, waited a few minutes and attempted to reboot again, receiving the same message.
The internal drive receiving the migration appears to be unbootable.
I was able to start the computer booting from an external drive I have which contains two partitions, one running Ventura and the other running Mojave, both boot successfully.
Using either as a startup I was able to view the contents of the internal drive.
Upon doing so I see no evidence of any documents having been transferred in from the migration.
The internal drive appears to be in the same state as it was before except now I cannot use it as a startup volume although it still appears in the startup list of bootable drives.

Now I’m concerned that I used Migration Assistant improperly and have corrupted the internal drive in the process. Did I need to perform the migration using Target Disc Mode to transfer documents, apps, and settings properly? I have no experience with booting from Target Disc Mode.

Also, I’ve read that the fastest way to migrate would be to go through Thunderbolt. But I cannot find Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) cables available from Apple and I think buying one from a third party might not be a good idea.

Apple sells a Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 adapter, but at $49 for a single use, I would probably stick to ethernet.

--?
Jim Saklad
jimdoc@...
Jim logo small.jpg


Re: Formatting toolbar in Mail?

 

Interesting to know, but not being a pilot or mechanic, I never ran into that before.

I used to be involved in lifting light, little things weighing only 40 metric tons.

I had to deal with length and mass. Since rigging comes from tall masted ships, I had to deal with the “US” ton, the metric tonne, and occasionally long and short tons. Thankfully, Imperial measurements didn’t come up.

Since the original rigging was in metric lengths, to prevent unstable lifts, we had custom slings made. So to match a 3 meter sling we had ones made that were 9 foot 9 inches. 10 foot slings are standard here, but could throw off a lift enough to be outside safety standards.

Brent

On my iPhone Xr

On Jan 3, 2024, at 10:14, Jim Saklad via groups.io <jimdoc@...> wrote:

Dripstick and dipstick are 2 different methods (for different circumstances) of measuring fluid levels


Migration Assistant Woes

 

Last night I tethered my Laptop running Sierra to an iMac running Ventura via ethernet and activating Migrant Assistant between the two commencing the night long transference of documents and all related files from the laptop to iMac. This morning I received a prompt on the Sierra laptop end that the migration had completed but on the receiving end of the iMac running Ventura the screen was black except for a message that the computer was shut down improperly and to strike any key to reboot. After the same message appeared again and again I forced the shut down, waited a few minutes and attempted to reboot again, receiving the same message. The internal drive receiving the migration appears to be unbootable. I was able to start the computer booting from an external drive I have which contains two partitions, one running Ventura and the other running Mojave, both boot successfully. Using either as a startup I was able to view the contents of the internal drive. Upon doing so I see no evidence of any documents having been transferred in from the migration. The internal drive appears to be in the same state as it was before except now I cannot use it as a startup volume although it still appears in the startup list of bootable drives.

Now I’m concerned that I used Migration Assistant improperly and have corrupted the internal drive in the process. Did I need to perform the migration using Target Disc Mode to transfer documents, apps, and settings properly? I have no experience with booting from Target Disc Mode. Also, I’ve read that the fastest way to migrate would be to go through Thunderbolt. But I cannot find Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) cables available from Apple and I think buying one from a third party might not be a good idea.
I’m completely flummoxed. Any advice and/or guidance will be met on my end with a heap of gratitude. Happy New Year to all!

—罢辞苍测—


Re: Formatting toolbar in Mail?

 

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Otto Nikolaus wrote:
Yes, I did notice “dripstick”. I wonder, has that been left uncorrected deliberately for humorous effect?

Dripstick and dipstick are 2 different methods (for different circumstances) of measuring fluid levels.

Take a tank with an opening at the top, like a filler tube. Dip a stick into the top-hole, draw it out, look at the fluid level on the stick, use that information (how much depth from top of tank to top of fluid) to estimate the volume of fluid in the container (typically using a pre-calculated table of measurements).

An aircraft wing-tank has no hole in the top to drop a dipstick into.
Instead, it is equipped with a hollow tube that goes UP from the bottom of the wing to the inside top of the tank. Unlatch the cover and slowly draw the tube down until fuel starts to drip (which is why it is a drip-stick) from the dependent opening. Note the measurement mark on the tube. Compare it to the calibrated chart to give the fuel amount in the tank.

--?
Jim Saklad
jimdoc@...
Jim logo small.jpg


Time Machine and Super Duper question

 

I have been using my late wife’s MacBook with a different user sign in.

2020 MacBook Air
Ventura 13.6.1

Does Time Machine backup both users information or only the one that is currently logged on?

I don’t like this laptop. It works well but I prefer my much slower 2011 MacBook Pro. It displays mail and other programs better. I don’t have to scroll vertically or horizontally to use my regular programs.

I may trade it in on an iMac. I don’t need two laptops.

I don’t know why but I have been unable to get SuperDuper to work. It will load but will not copy.

TIA,

Bobby


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On 3 Jan 2024, at 17:06, jimrobertson via <jimrobertson@...> wrote:

I mentioned that tale because it’s a truly AMAZING example of what can happen when written or electronic communications are imprecise or misunderstood. You don’t need to read beyond the first several paragraphs to be amazed by what went wrong and what (entirely capriciously) went right. The Air Canada 767 that plummeted (OK, glided, but I’ll bet no one on board enjoyed that 15% glide slope) from 41,000 feet was brand new and “state of the art,” but because ONE electronic fuel measuring instrument malfunctioned, calculations that involved using a dipstick (hilariously misspelled in the article as “dripstick”) to measure the fuel on board, then confusion among US gallons, imperial gallons, and metric units recording volume, or column height of fuel in the tanks, or some bizarre combination thereof led to a horrendous overestimate of the amount of fuel on board. A number of fortuitous factors saved potentially hundreds of lives that day, including:

  1. The Air Canada Captain was a highly skilled glider pilot, and used those skills to control an enormous airplane during the 17 minutes it “flew” with no engine power (or electronic instruments that required engine-generated electricity, or manually movable aircraft control surfaces).
  2. The no-longer-registered military airfield the crew used to land the 767 was familiar to a member of the flight crew who had used that airfield when in the RCAF.
  3. The amateur drag-racing event happening on the airfield as the jumbo jet plopped down onto what was now a “drag” racing event was staffed by weekend recreationists who had safety training to put out fires on garage-modified race cars, but they leveraged those skills to douse flames on a machine capable of transporting hundreds of passengers.?
  4. Some of the “missing feature” failures caused by the engine flameouts actually enabled the plane to stop on the shortened runway. For example, there was no electrical or hydraulic power to lock the nose wheel into the down position, and a “gravity drop” didn’t do so, so the plane skidded to a stop more quickly than it would have had the nose wheel locked in place.

When I was younger and more reckless, I sometimes pretended I was a racecar driver at amateur events held on famous California racetracks. Being prepared to handle a jumbo jet plummeting out of the sky onto the “back straight” of the racetrack was something I never, ever considered.

But you’re right; it’s not necessary to read beyond the first few paragraphs to get the essence of the story.
_________________________
?Not really mentioned in the article is that one thing contributing to the absence of mass death was that there were only 67 passengers on the plane. If this happened today, the plane would have been at least 95% full, weighing many many tons more and would probably have not made it to the field.

Thanks, I got the confusion in units, but thought you mentioned it because someone mistyped a special character, *causing that confusion*, which was not the case.

Yes, I did notice “dripstick”. I wonder, has that been been left uncorrected deliberately for humourous effect?

Otto


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On Jan 3, 2024, at 9:13?AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:

I’m too impatient/lazy to read every character in that article. Please enlighten me.

I mentioned that tale because it’s a truly AMAZING example of what can happen when written or electronic communications are imprecise or misunderstood. You don’t need to read beyond the first several paragraphs to be amazed by what went wrong and what (entirely capriciously) went right. The Air Canada 767 that plummeted (OK, glided, but I’ll bet no one on board enjoyed that 15% glide slope) from 41,000 feet was brand new and “state of the art,” but because ONE electronic fuel measuring instrument malfunctioned, calculations that involved using a dipstick (hilariously misspelled in the article as “dripstick”) to measure the fuel on board, then confusion among US gallons, imperial gallons, and metric units recording volume, or column height of fuel in the tanks, or some bizarre combination thereof led to a horrendous overestimate of the amount of fuel on board. A number of fortuitous factors saved potentially hundreds of lives that day, including:

  1. The Air Canada Captain was a highly skilled glider pilot, and used those skills to control an enormous airplane during the 17 minutes it “flew” with no engine power (or electronic instruments that required engine-generated electricity, or manually movable aircraft control surfaces).
  2. The no-longer-registered military airfield the crew used to land the 767 was familiar to a member of the flight crew who had used that airfield when in the RCAF.
  3. The amateur drag-racing event happening on the airfield as the jumbo jet plopped down onto what was now a “drag” racing event was staffed by weekend recreationists who had safety training to put out fires on garage-modified race cars, but they leveraged those skills to douse flames on a machine capable of transporting hundreds of passengers.?
  4. Some of the “missing feature” failures caused by the engine flameouts actually enabled the plane to stop on the shortened runway. For example, there was no electrical or hydraulic power to lock the nose wheel into the down position, and a “gravity drop” didn’t do so, so the plane skidded to a stop more quickly than it would have had the nose wheel locked in place.

When I was younger and more reckless, I sometimes pretended I was a racecar driver at amateur events held on famous California racetracks. Being prepared to handle a jumbo jet plummeting out of the sky onto the “back straight” of the racetrack was something I never, ever considered.

But you’re right; it’s not necessary to read beyond the first few paragraphs to get the essence of the story.
_________________________
?Not really mentioned in the article is that one thing contributing to the absence of mass death was that there were only 67 passengers on the plane. If this happened today, the plane would have been at least 95% full, weighing many many tons more and would probably have not made it to the field.

--?
Jim Robertson


Re: Formatting toolbar in Mail?

 

On 3 Jan 2024, at 15:22, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:

Sorry, I hadn’t read this message when I just posted another asking about programs that can dig into glyph identity.

Mail>Message>View>Message>Raw Source doesn’t work for me because when I’m creating a message in formatted text, the display for a message looks like gibberish (it’s the single reason I no longer read another Apple-user listserv, Mac-L, because IT is ASCII only (or resolves extended lookup table characters into “quoted printable,” which is still readable but only with a struggle). Trying to find out which key caps were digitally assaulted to create an individual character when I’m typing in formatted text is just a bridge too far. I don’t use Apple’s Hand Off when multiple devices are recognized for input, but it IS important to make certain what’s intended is what’s embedded. The results when that’s NOT considered can be disastrous. Best example on the planet so far as I know is illustrated by the Wikipedia entry for “gimli glider”
I’m too impatient/lazy to read every character in that article. Please enlighten me. ;

I take it that you are looking for something more than Keyboard Viewer?

Otto


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On 3 Jan 2024, at 14:57, jimrobertson via <jimrobertson@...> wrote:

I’m assuming that the glyphs assigned to keys on Apple devices are encoded in the OS, and likely in firmware rather than software. I THINK there are iOS and macOS apps that permit one to query what’s actually being pulled from wherever such items are stored, but haven’t yet looked for them. I’m aware that NOT caring what’s “meant” by what’s on the screen or on paper so long as it LOOKS correct can lead to errors in scientific publications (I discovered a few in the pinnacle of weekly medical journals, the New England Journal of Medicine, several years ago, when I requested electronic pdfs of a few articles from the publisher. Very early on in my romance with the Mac, my then primary school-aged son discovered the mischief he could wreak on me by changing the assigned language for my keyboard, and delighted in doing so for the few hours it took me to figure out what he was doing.

Does anyone here have recommendations for apps that inform the user what glyphs actually are being entered when one presses one or a combination of keys, either on the Mac OR on an iOS device (or better, on each of them)? I’m assuming that wherever that electronic lookup table resides on each platform, what appears on screen will be an accurate bitmap image of what’s been encoded.

Point taken, Jim, but we are talking about casual mail/messages, aren’t we?
:-)

Otto


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On Jan 3, 2024, at 3:42?AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:

Mail > Message > View Message > Raw Source shows me that hold-0 on the iPhone is indeed the same character as shift-?-8, *not* ?–0, on the Mac. I thought that hold-0 on the iPhone might be because that is how Android does it but we have an Amazon Fire Tablet and that is not the case: ° is in the special characters tab.

Sorry, I hadn’t read this message when I just posted another asking about programs that can dig into glyph identity.

Mail>Message>View>Message>Raw Source doesn’t work for me because when I’m creating a message in formatted text, ?the display for a message looks like gibberish (it’s the single reason I no longer read another Apple-user listserv, Mac-L, because IT is ASCII only (or resolves extended lookup table characters into “quoted printable,” which is still readable but only with a struggle). Trying to find out which key caps were digitally assaulted to create an individual character when I’m typing in formatted text is just a bridge too far. I don’t use Apple’s Hand Off when multiple devices are recognized for input, but it IS important to make certain what’s intended is what’s embedded. The results when that’s NOT considered can be disastrous. Best example on the planet so far as I know is illustrated by the Wikipedia entry for “gimli glider"

--?
Jim Robertson