Howdy I'll second Randy's observations. I've dealt with all three conditions at clients. Denver Dan On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:40:51 -0700, Randy B. Singer wrote: The machine is from 2008, but it does all I need it to do. However,
I fear that the fans are not what they used to be and probably need
replacing. If I use it for any length of time it resets. If I leave
it with the log on page after it resets, in a few hours it resets
again. it makes a horrible noise when booting. I think it is the fan
but I am open to suggestions.
In my experience Macs tend to spontaneously re-boot for one of three
reasons.
1) There is too much current draw on the electrical circuit your Mac
is attached to. ?For example, a refrigerator cycling on, or a laser
printer starting up, will cause a huge draw. ?It might be enough to
cause your Mac to have a hard crash and then re-boot.
I would not run a desktop machine without a UPS. You can get a reasonably decent one for $70 or less. When I start my laser printer I hear my UPS click, so I assume that maybe without it my Mac would lose power. 2) Your Mac is overheating. ?With old Macs this might be due to the
accumulation of dust inside the case insulating the heat coming from
the motherboard. ?Or detritus in the case might be strangling your
fans. ?Or your fans may be failing. ?If it is one of the first two,
opening up your Mac and cleaning it out may be all that is necessary
to fix things.
3) A failing power supply (flyback) or simply cold solder joints
around your power supply. ?Often the heat cycling in your Mac expands
and contracts the solder joints and causes them to eventually crack ?
(you can feel these cracks with your fingernail - but don't try this
without discharging your power supply first!) and causes a
discontinuity. ?Touching the solder joints for the power supply with
the tip of a soldering pen to re-flow the solder easily fixes cold
solder joints.
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Randy B. Singer
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On Oct 25, 2019, at 12:02 AM, Brent via Groups.Io < whodo678@...> wrote:
First figure out which model you have, as a PowerMac won't run any thing past 10.5.8, Lion. My MacBook Pro, early 2008, will run up to El Capitan.?
10.5 is Leopard. Lion is 10.7. Snow Leopard is in between. I recommend a great program, available in the App Store, called MacTracker, which is a data base of just about everything Apple has built. ?The last PowerPC iMac it shows is the G5 from October 05 to March 06. As you say, the latest it can take is 10.5.8.? Open it up and blow out the dust bunnies. Then if it is still noise, do a web search for new fans. I used iFixIt for a how to video, and purchased the fan i needed. Btw, the right and left fan on my MBP are different.
Unlike the earlier beige G5 machines, those with ADB keyboards and mice, and floppy drives, iMacs are a pain to take apart. How much is it worth it to do too much on a 14 or more year old machine?? On Oct 24, 2019, at 3:17 PM, ihor43us via Groups.Io < ihor43us@...> wrote: The machine is from 2008, but it does all I need it to do. However, I fear that the fans are not what they used to be and probably need replacing. If I use it for any length of time it resets. If I leave it with the log on page after it resets, in a few hours it resets again. it makes a horrible noise when booting. I think it is the fan but I am open to suggestions.
The question is : does anyone know where I can purchase replacement fans for this old but virile computer? I really do not want to part with it. Call me silly, but it has been through a lot with me and I do not want to just discard it when it can still perform.
BTW, I am on El Capitain since that is the last OS version that I can download.
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Howdy I'll second Randy's observations. I've dealt with all three conditions at clients. Denver Dan On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:40:51 -0700, Randy B. Singer wrote: The machine is from 2008, but it does all I need it to do. However,
I fear that the fans are not what they used to be and probably need
replacing. If I use it for any length of time it resets. If I leave
it with the log on page after it resets, in a few hours it resets
again. it makes a horrible noise when booting. I think it is the fan
but I am open to suggestions. In my experience Macs tend to spontaneously re-boot for one of three
reasons.
1) There is too much current draw on the electrical circuit your Mac
is attached to. For example, a refrigerator cycling on, or a laser
printer starting up, will cause a huge draw. It might be enough to
cause your Mac to have a hard crash and then re-boot.
2) Your Mac is overheating. With old Macs this might be due to the
accumulation of dust inside the case insulating the heat coming from
the motherboard. Or detritus in the case might be strangling your
fans. Or your fans may be failing. If it is one of the first two,
opening up your Mac and cleaning it out may be all that is necessary
to fix things.
3) A failing power supply (flyback) or simply cold solder joints
around your power supply. Often the heat cycling in your Mac expands
and contracts the solder joints and causes them to eventually crack
(you can feel these cracks with your fingernail - but don't try this
without discharging your power supply first!) and causes a
discontinuity. Touching the solder joints for the power supply with
the tip of a soldering pen to re-flow the solder easily fixes cold
solder joints.
___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
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Thank You , Paul. I found it when I went into the drive. I also found the old folder from my Mac Pro, which I deleted
Jeannie?
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 10:58 PM, Paul < paul@...> wrote:
Hi
When you look at the backups.backup folder on the Time Machine destination drive, do you see a folder with the name of the current computer (the same name that is in the Shared system preference pane)?
I would a)unhook all externals except for the Time Machine destination drive, click the drop down icon on the menu bar and select backup now. Then I would open the System Preferences and click on Time Machine and watch the progress bar. That should prove or disprove whether the internal hard drive was being backed up.
Alternatively you could just choose to purchase either SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner and make bootable backups of the internal drive. A new 2 TB drive for that purpose and the software mentioned should be a little less than $100.
Paul MacTech Services --? ?Supporting the Greater Los Angeles? Macintosh?Community since 1988. ? ? ? ? ? ?626-449-5529
Should have said no to that. The only thing excluded is the ?time machine external drive. My other external drives are not excluded , as they are only on when I send something to them Jeannie? On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:26 PM, Paul < paul@...> wrote:
Hi
In your system settings time machine, when you click on the options button, on the lower right, is your internal drive being excluded? ? MacTech Services --? ?Supporting the Greater Los Angeles? Macintosh?Community since 1988. ? ? ? ? ? ?626-449-5529
I am finally going to take the plunge and install Catalina very soon. I want to make sure I have a back up of my Macintosh HD. I went into time machine, But all I see being backed up is the external drive which I use to bring in all my photos . Despite googling how to add my Macintosh HD, which is an sst, I can find no way to add it to the time machine back up.
How can I back up my set Mac HD?
Jeannie?
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On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 03:53 PM, DaveC wrote:
To all:
Please quote some of the message you are replying to so we can understand the context of your message without digging through the thread.
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Thanks,
Dave
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 2:29 PM, Dave Kelly via Groups.Io < drkelly@...> wrote:
No.
DaveC This topic has been hashed over and over for the past couple of weeks. I'm sorry my answer of "No" was so curt. It's been asked and answered a few times. Anyway, if you would like to be a moderator and point out every time someone doesn't add a quote in their reply we could add you as one of our moderators. If you're interested, email [email protected] and make that a request. Dave
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This is from an Apple support page:I purchased a new Apple device that comes with 1 year free Apple TV+. How do I activate my 1 year Apple TV+ subscription?Starting November 1, you’ll be able to start your 1 year free Apple TV+ in the Apple TV app. Follow these steps: - Turn on your new iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, Apple TV 4K or Apple TV HD, or Mac and sign in with your Apple ID.
- Open the Apple TV app on November 1 or later. Make sure your eligible device is running the latest version of iOS, iPadOS, tvOS, or macOS.?
- The offer should be presented immediately after launching the app. If not, scroll down in Watch Now until the offer appears. ?
- Tap "Enjoy 1 Year Free." You might be asked to enter your Apple ID password, confirm your billing information, or add a valid payment method. You will not be charged during the 1 year free trial.
Terms & Conditions of the offer: - Only one offer per Apple ID and only one offer per family if you’re part of a Family Sharing group, regardless of the number of devices you or your family purchases. Up to 6 family members can share one Apple TV+ subscription through Family Sharing.
- Beginning November 1, you can initiate the one-year free offer in the Apple TV app on the device running the latest software. To see the offer appear, you will need to sign in with your Apple ID on your new device. You have three months after first setting up your device to claim the offer, or if the device was purchased and set-up before the launch of Apple TV+, you will have three months starting November 1.
- Upon claiming the offer, you commit to a monthly subscription that starts immediately after the 1 year free, and automatically renews until cancelled. For pricing in your country or region, go to?. You can cancel at anytime in Settings at least a day before each renewal date. If you cancel during your free year, you and your family members will immediately lose access to Apple TV+ and the remainder of your 1 year free trial. You can’t reactivate this trial.?
- This offer is available for a limited time only.
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Re: Upgrading a 2017 iMac's RAM and storage (was Re: [macsupportcentral] Question for SEE Finance users?)
#Upgrading
On Oct 24, 2019, at 9:44 PM, Julian Thomas < jt@...> wrote:
No problem with my older MB Pro - usb2 - and owc enclosures for an hdd and a ssd [one time machine; ?one superduper. ]
Thanks for that. I’ve not had personal problems myself, and I have a variety of bus-powered external drives.
Jim Robertson
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Who's feeling old? ;)
Otto
Gosh Otto. Don’t feel so old. Lol.? I still have my old mac that looks like something from the jetsons. Tv show.? G4. Power I Mac I think. Has a huge state of the art hard Dorine 450 megabytes.? Lol. ? Runs like a Swiss watch playing music and edition movies.? But I haven had it online for ten years but I would probably bet it would run. ? I love the old machine. ? One day ill bay a new desk top Mac?
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The price just changed. ?Here is their message about it...
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 10:38 PM, Brent via Groups.Io < whodo678@...> wrote: I believe the cost is $110. If you go to , and look around look up Premium account. It is $110 to transfer everything over, files, photos, etc.
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Bev in TX
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Hi
When you look at the backups.backup folder on the Time Machine destination drive, do you see a folder with the name of the current computer (the same name that is in the Shared system preference pane)?
I would a)unhook all externals except for the Time Machine destination drive, click the drop down icon on the menu bar and select backup now. Then I would open the System Preferences and click on Time Machine and watch the progress bar. That should prove or disprove whether the internal hard drive was being backed up.
Alternatively you could just choose to purchase either SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner and make bootable backups of the internal drive. A new 2 TB drive for that purpose and the software mentioned should be a little less than $100.
Paul
MacTech Services -- ?Supporting the Greater Los Angeles? Macintosh?Community since 1988. ? ? ? ? ? ?626-449-5529
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Should have said no to that. The only thing excluded is the ?time machine external drive. My other external drives are not excluded , as they are only on when I send something to them
Jeannie?
On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:26 PM, Paul < paul@...> wrote:
Hi
In your system settings time machine, when you click on the options button, on the lower right, is your internal drive being excluded? ?
MacTech Services -- ?Supporting the Greater Los Angeles? Macintosh?Community since 1988. ? ? ? ? ? ?626-449-5529
I am finally going to take the plunge and install Catalina very soon. I want to make sure I have a back up of my Macintosh HD. I went into time machine, But all I see being backed up is the external drive which I use to bring in all my photos . Despite googling how to add my Macintosh HD, which is an sst, I can find no way to add it to the time machine back up.
How can I back up my set Mac HD?
Jeannie?
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Re: Upgrading a 2017 iMac's RAM and storage (was Re: [macsupportcentral] Question for SEE Finance users?)
#Upgrading
Sent from JT's Ipad - maybe using voice dictation! On Oct 24, 2019, at 21:49, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
I’ve read stories from people who’ve had no luck keeping bus-powered external USB drives mounted on their Macs No problem with my older MB Pro - usb2 - and owc enclosures for an hdd and a ssd [one time machine; one superduper. ]
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First figure out which model you have, as a PowerMac won't run any thing past 10.5.8, Lion. My MacBook Pro, early 2008, will run up to El Capitan.?
Open it up and blow out the dust bunnies. Then if it is still noise, do a web search for new fans. I used iFixIt for a how to video, and purchased the fan i needed. Btw, the right and left fan on my MBP are different.
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 3:17 PM, ihor43us via Groups.Io < ihor43us@...> wrote: The machine is from 2008, but it does all I need it to do. However, I fear that the fans are not what they used to be and probably need replacing. If I use it for any length of time it resets. If I leave it with the log on page after it resets, in a few hours it resets again. it makes a horrible noise when booting. I think it is the fan but I am open to suggestions.
The question is : does anyone know where I can purchase replacement fans for this old but virile computer? I really do not want to part with it. Call me silly, but it has been through a lot with me and I do not want to just discard it when it can still perform.
BTW, I am on El Capitain since that is the last OS version that I can download.
Thanks
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Wow, that was sudden!
Sent from my iPad,
Brent
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote:
On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Charles Watts-Jones via Groups.Io wrote:
Another group that I subscribe to is moving to groups.io. The owner tells us that he has to use a Premium membership at a first year fee of $220 to make the move; he can go back to free thereafter. Wow! I see that it has just gone up from $110/yr to $220/yr.
/static/pricing
I'm guessing that so many folks have migrated recently from Yahoo Groups that groups.io decided that this was a good time to increase pricing.
It's FREE if are willing to simply *invite* all of the old members to join the new list. But you need the $220 account if you want to migrate the old subscriber database.
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 3:17 PM, ihor43us via Groups.Io wrote: The machine is from 2008, but it does all I need it to do. However, I fear that the fans are not what they used to be and probably need replacing. If I use it for any length of time it resets. If I leave it with the log on page after it resets, in a few hours it resets again. it makes a horrible noise when booting. I think it is the fan but I am open to suggestions. In my experience Macs tend to spontaneously re-boot for one of three reasons. 1) There is too much current draw on the electrical circuit your Mac is attached to. For example, a refrigerator cycling on, or a laser printer starting up, will cause a huge draw. It might be enough to cause your Mac to have a hard crash and then re-boot. 2) Your Mac is overheating. With old Macs this might be due to the accumulation of dust inside the case insulating the heat coming from the motherboard. Or detritus in the case might be strangling your fans. Or your fans may be failing. If it is one of the first two, opening up your Mac and cleaning it out may be all that is necessary to fix things. 3) A failing power supply (flyback) or simply cold solder joints around your power supply. Often the heat cycling in your Mac expands and contracts the solder joints and causes them to eventually crack (you can feel these cracks with your fingernail - but don't try this without discharging your power supply first!) and causes a discontinuity. Touching the solder joints for the power supply with the tip of a soldering pen to re-flow the solder easily fixes cold solder joints. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance ___________________________________________
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I believe the cost is $110. If you go to , and look around look up Premium account. It is $110 to transfer everything over, files, photos, etc. ,?
Brent
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Charles Watts-Jones via Groups.Io < charleswj@...> wrote: Another group that I subscribe to is moving to . The owner tells us that he has to use a Premium membership at a first year fee of $220 to make the move; he can go back to free thereafter. ?Has this happened here, if so are donations being sought?
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Re: SuperDuper! (Shirt-Pocket) Support praise
#Backup
On Oct 24, 2019, at 6:37 PM, Andrew Buc wrote: That tracks with my experience of Shirt Pocket. I've been heartily recommending SuperDuper! for many years, both because of David Nanian's stunningly responsive technical support, and his incredibly meticulous attention to detail in his software. Folks may recall that SuperDuper! was the very first backup software for Mac OS X that correctly handled and preserved meta-data (so many others got this badly wrong). ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance ___________________________________________
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Gosh Otto. Don’t feel so old. Lol. ?I still have my old mac that looks like something from the jetsons. Tv show. ?G4. Power I Mac I think. Has a huge state of the art hard Dorine 450 megabytes. ?Lol. ? Runs like a Swiss watch playing music and edition movies. ?But I haven had it online for ten years but I would probably bet it would run. ? I love the old machine. ? One day ill bay a new desk top Mac?
larry
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Re: SuperDuper! (Shirt-Pocket) Support praise
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 3:37 PM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
Amazing support!
That tracks with my experience of Shirt Pocket.
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Re: Upgrading a 2017 iMac's RAM and storage (was Re: [macsupportcentral] Question for SEE Finance users?)
#Upgrading
On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io < jimdoc@...> wrote:
Years ago I replaced a 320 or 500 GB HDD in a previous (maybe 2009) MBPro with a 500 GB SATA SSD from OWC.
OWC has “complete kit” or “just the part you want” pricing. For installing in an iMac, the ?SATA 2.5” SSD, “complete kit” includes an enclosure, although OWC’s web page doesn’t say what enclosure they provide (they do say it’s USB-3, bus powered.
If I’m purchasing a PCI-e 1 TB SSD, 32 GB of RAM, and a 2.5 in SATA module, I don’t need 3 “kits” because most of the tools in the kit are designed to remove the display from the case and would be included in each kit.
I’ve read stories from people who’ve had no luck keeping bus-powered external USB drives mounted on their Macs. Jim do you remember and problems with the enclosure that OWC provided you?
Thanks a bunch, Jim Robertson
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Re: SuperDuper! (Shirt-Pocket) Support praise
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Can’t get any better than that! Thx for sharing.
Best Wishes from Bob Beckham
FCC Radiotelephone Lic P1-6S-2422
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 6:37 PM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
I’m having a backup issue, so I wrote to Shirt-Pocket about it.
Posted my message at 5:23.
Received an auto-reply at 5:25
Received a personal answer at 5:27
Received a correction/explanation at 5:29
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