Re: Upgrading a 2017 iMac's RAM and storage (was Re: [macsupportcentral] Question for SEE Finance users?)
#Upgrading
On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io < jimdoc@...> wrote:
Years ago I replaced a 320 or 500 GB HDD in a previous (maybe 2009) MBPro with a 500 GB SATA SSD from OWC.
OWC has “complete kit” or “just the part you want” pricing. For installing in an iMac, the ?SATA 2.5” SSD, “complete kit” includes an enclosure, although OWC’s web page doesn’t say what enclosure they provide (they do say it’s USB-3, bus powered.
If I’m purchasing a PCI-e 1 TB SSD, 32 GB of RAM, and a 2.5 in SATA module, I don’t need 3 “kits” because most of the tools in the kit are designed to remove the display from the case and would be included in each kit.
I’ve read stories from people who’ve had no luck keeping bus-powered external USB drives mounted on their Macs. Jim do you remember and problems with the enclosure that OWC provided you?
Thanks a bunch, Jim Robertson
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Re: SuperDuper! (Shirt-Pocket) Support praise
#Backup
Can’t get any better than that! Thx for sharing.
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 6:37 PM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
I’m having a backup issue, so I wrote to Shirt-Pocket about it.
Posted my message at 5:23.
Received an auto-reply at 5:25
Received a personal answer at 5:27
Received a correction/explanation at 5:29
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If it's been used since 2008 it will have built up a lot of dust inside. Have you had a look?
Otto
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 23:30, ihor43us via Groups.Io <ihor43us= [email protected]> wrote: The machine is from 2008, but it does all I need it to do. However, I fear that the fans are not what they used to be and probably need replacing. If I use it for any length of time it resets. If I leave it with the log on page after it resets, in a few hours it resets again. it makes a horrible noise when booting. I think it is the fan but I am open to suggestions.
The question is : does anyone know where I can purchase replacement fans for this old but virile computer? I really do not want to part with it. Call me silly, but it has been through a lot with me and I do not want to just discard it when it can still perform.
BTW, I am on El Capitain since that is the last OS version that I can download.
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 4:17 PM, ihor43us via Groups.Io < ihor43us@...> wrote:
does anyone know where I can purchase replacement fans for this old but virile computer?
I just did a web search for “fans for Power Mac 2008” and got many, many hits. I’d start there. The list includes mainstream sources like OWC.
Jim Robertson
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Re: Upgrading a 2017 iMac's RAM and storage (was Re: [macsupportcentral] Question for SEE Finance users?)
#Upgrading
On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io < jimdoc@...> wrote:
Because you could put the new SATA SSD in there, connect it up, clone your fusion drive to it,?test it by trying to boot from it,?and only then undertake iMac surgery to switch the drives.
I hadn’t thought about that, but it makes sense.
Thanks, Jim Robertson
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Yahoo Groups is not actually closing; they are about to remove all web content while allowing?the "mail list" function to continue (but for how long?).?
We have bulk-invited all members of the Yahoo group to join us here at . Many haven't been active for ages but this helps in finding who's still?interested. It's a great opportunity to lose dead wood.
There's no harm in spreading the word, as long as they know how we work. ;)
Otto
When I first learned about Yahoo’s Group closings, I was devastated to think I’d be without the MSC. I’ve learned more through this group than anywhere else, and am deeply appreciative for the way Apple Lovers are assisted.
As soon as the information about io groups was posted, I hopped onto the group. Others who appreciate the group will do the same. Can we help by “advertising” on our IG, FB or blogs? Or would that be something the list moderators would prefer we not do?
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When I first learned about Yahoo’s Group closings, I was devastated to think I’d be without the MSC. I’ve learned more through this group than anywhere else, and am deeply appreciative for the way Apple Lovers are assisted.
As soon as the information about io groups was posted, I hopped onto the group. Others who appreciate the group will do the same. Can we help by “advertising” on our IG, FB or blogs? Or would that be something the list moderators would prefer we not do?
Thankful for you,
Donna
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 6:38 PM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
Yes, we have gone with the free option. Some groups have paid the (previous) $110 for a wholesale transfer. Others still have used a (Windows-only) app to transfer their Yahoo web content.
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On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 23:20, Randy B. Singer < randy@...> wrote:
Wow!? I see that it has just gone up from $110/yr to $220/yr.
/static/pricing
I'm guessing that so many folks have migrated recently from Yahoo Groups that decided that this was a good time to increase pricing.
It's FREE if are willing to simply *invite* all of the old members to join the new list.? But you need the $220 account if you want to migrate the old subscriber database.
Yes, we have gone with the free option. Some groups have paid the (previous) $110 for a wholesale transfer. Others still have used a (Windows-only) app to transfer their Yahoo web content.
Otto
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SuperDuper! (Shirt-Pocket) Support praise
#Backup
I’m having a backup issue, so I wrote to Shirt-Pocket about it.
Posted my message at 5:23. Received an auto-reply at 5:25 Received a personal answer at 5:27 Received a correction/explanation at 5:29
Amazing support!
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The machine is from 2008, but it does all I need it to do. However, I fear that the fans are not what they used to be and probably need replacing. If I use it for any length of time it resets. If I leave it with the log on page after it resets, in a few hours it resets again. it makes a horrible noise when booting. I think it is the fan but I am open to suggestions.
The question is : does anyone know where I can purchase replacement fans for this old but virile computer? I really do not want to part with it. Call me silly, but it has been through a lot with me and I do not want to just discard it when it can still perform.
BTW, I am on El Capitain since that is the last OS version that I can download.
Thanks
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That is still cheaper than L-Soft. groups.io figures out to about $20/ month. If everyone would agree to a buck a month that would more than cover the cost. Just do a annual $12 fee to each user. Most of us should be able to afford that.
Best Wishes from Bob Beckham
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 6:20 PM, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote:
Wow! I see that it has just gone up from $110/yr to $220/yr.
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Charles Watts-Jones via Groups.Io wrote: Another group that I subscribe to is moving to groups.io. The owner tells us that he has to use a Premium membership at a first year fee of $220 to make the move; he can go back to free thereafter. Wow! I see that it has just gone up from $110/yr to $220/yr. /static/pricingI'm guessing that so many folks have migrated recently from Yahoo Groups that groups.io decided that this was a good time to increase pricing. It's FREE if are willing to simply *invite* all of the old members to join the new list. But you need the $220 account if you want to migrate the old subscriber database. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance ___________________________________________
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To all: Please quote some of the message you are replying to so we can understand the context of your message without digging through the thread.
Thanks, Dave
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 2:29 PM, Dave Kelly via Groups.Io < drkelly@...> wrote: No.
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Another group that I subscribe to is moving to . The owner tells us that he has to use a Premium membership at a first year fee of $220 to make the move; he can go back to free thereafter. ?Has this happened here, if so are donations being sought?
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That should say Bootable clone drive..Mac Spell check at work..sigh
Jeannie?
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I have 5 external drives, But only 2 are on all the time. I have never counted how many photos I bring in a week, But usually on a normal week, especially if the weather is good, and I am out shooting 5 days that week, the number can be considerable. My back up drive is 3 TB. I use another external drive in which I bring in all my pics, and that is always on.It is 2 TB, and its contents change daily.That one is defiantly being backed up. My internal HD which is SST and holds all my apps is 512GB. My 3 other backup external HDs are only on when I have completed a folder on the active external HD that is always on, and I send that folder to all ?3 other drives, then turn them off.
There is no lock to click on the machine preferences, and the only drive to be excluded is the backup drive itself.
Yes, I would like ?to be able to make a notable clone drive Jeannie? On Oct 24, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io < jimdoc@...> wrote:
I am finally going to take the plunge and install Catalina very soon. I want?to make sure I have a back up of my Macintosh HD. I went into time?machine, But all I see being backed up is the external drive which I use to?bring in all my photos . Despite googling how to add my Macintosh HD,?which is an sst [sic], I can find no way to add it to the time machine back up.
How can I back up my set [sic] Mac HD?
Jeannie?
How many external drives do you have?? Is it 1 with photos on it + 1 with Time Machine?
How many new photos do you bring in every week (# of images, or GB) (i.e., does the photos drive change a lot in any given period of time?)
I keep my recent/active photos on my main drive, which is continually backed up with Time Machine, and archive all my older photos on an external volume – presently about 218 GB of old photos. Since that archive doesn’t change very often, I don’t use Time Machine to back it up, but periodically make an exact copy of that volume to a similar partition on a second external drive.
How many GB of your internal, boot, HD are in use? How big is the Time Machine drive or partition? Do you want to consider having a bootable clone backup?
By default, Time Machine should try to backup EVERY partition of EVERY drive in or connected to your computer. It should have at LEAST 2 times the space as all the data being backed up occupies.
That said, it is possible to EXCLUDE particular volumes if you wish. It if is indeed NOT backing up your main internal drive, (the SSD), the SSD must at some point have been added to this exclusion list.
Open System Preferences Click on Time Machine Click the lock and enter your password Click on Options in the lower right You should see listed any volumes excluded from backups You can add or subtract volumes using the + and - signs <Screen Shot 2019-10-24 at 4.09.41 PM.jpg>
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I have 5 external drives, But only 2 are on all the time. I have never counted how many photos I bring in a week, But usually on a normal week, especially if the weather is good, and I am out shooting 5 days that week, the number can be considerable. My back up drive is 3 TB. I use another external drive in which I bring in all my pics, and that is always on.It is 2 TB, and its contents change daily.That one is defiantly being backed up. My internal HD which is SST and holds all my apps is 512GB. My 3 other backup external HDs are only on when I have completed a folder on the active external HD that is always on, and I send that folder to all ?3 other drives, then turn them off.
There is no lock to click on the machine preferences, and the only drive to be excluded is the backup drive itself.
Yes, I would like ?to be able to make a notable clone drive
Jeannie?
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On Oct 24, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io < jimdoc@...> wrote:
I am finally going to take the plunge and install Catalina very soon. I want?to make sure I have a back up of my Macintosh HD. I went into time?machine, But all I see being backed up is the external drive which I use to?bring in all my photos . Despite googling how to add my Macintosh HD,?which is an sst [sic], I can find no way to add it to the time machine back up.
How can I back up my set [sic] Mac HD?
Jeannie?
How many external drives do you have?? Is it 1 with photos on it + 1 with Time Machine?
How many new photos do you bring in every week (# of images, or GB) (i.e., does the photos drive change a lot in any given period of time?)
I keep my recent/active photos on my main drive, which is continually backed up with Time Machine, and archive all my older photos on an external volume – presently about 218 GB of old photos. Since that archive doesn’t change very often, I don’t use Time Machine to back it up, but periodically make an exact copy of that volume to a similar partition on a second external drive.
How many GB of your internal, boot, HD are in use? How big is the Time Machine drive or partition? Do you want to consider having a bootable clone backup?
By default, Time Machine should try to backup EVERY partition of EVERY drive in or connected to your computer. It should have at LEAST 2 times the space as all the data being backed up occupies.
That said, it is possible to EXCLUDE particular volumes if you wish. It if is indeed NOT backing up your main internal drive, (the SSD), the SSD must at some point have been added to this exclusion list.
Open System Preferences Click on Time Machine Click the lock and enter your password Click on Options in the lower right You should see listed any volumes excluded from backups You can add or subtract volumes using the + and - signs <Screen Shot 2019-10-24 at 4.09.41 PM.jpg>
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I was going to wait until at least 10.15.01. However, after careful consideration after reading a couple of weeks of posts, I did it. No problems at all. I didn’t use any of the 3 32 bit programs that were on my drive and just deleted them. No loss there. Some folks this might be an issue. The ONLY suggestion that I would have for you would to BACKUP to a BOOTABLE clone of where you are at immediately before the upgrade. CCC has been updated to work with Catalina. Not everyone is as fortunate as I am and not had any issues requiring a backup. Have fun! On Oct 24, 2019, at 3:15 PM, Jeannie Girard <photojeannie8@...> wrote:
I am finally going to take the plunge and install Catalina very soon. I want to make sure I have a back up of my Macintosh HD. Bob ’The Beckster’ Beckham FCC RadioTelephone Licence P1-6S-2422 w/Radar endorsement. Apple iMac 27” Late 2012 - macOS 10.15.0 - RAM 16 Gig 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHTKL 1993 Allen MDS Theater 2
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I am finally going to take the plunge and install Catalina very soon. I want?to make sure I have a back up of my Macintosh HD. I went into time?machine, But all I see being backed up is the external drive which I use to?bring in all my photos . Despite googling how to add my Macintosh HD,?which is an sst [sic], I can find no way to add it to the time machine back up.
How can I back up my set [sic] Mac HD?
Jeannie?
How many external drives do you have?? Is it 1 with photos on it + 1 with Time Machine?
How many new photos do you bring in every week (# of images, or GB) (i.e., does the photos drive change a lot in any given period of time?)
I keep my recent/active photos on my main drive, which is continually backed up with Time Machine, and archive all my older photos on an external volume – presently about 218 GB of old photos. Since that archive doesn’t change very often, I don’t use Time Machine to back it up, but periodically make an exact copy of that volume to a similar partition on a second external drive.
How many GB of your internal, boot, HD are in use? How big is the Time Machine drive or partition? Do you want to consider having a bootable clone backup?
By default, Time Machine should try to backup EVERY partition of EVERY drive in or connected to your computer. It should have at LEAST 2 times the space as all the data being backed up occupies.
That said, it is possible to EXCLUDE particular volumes if you wish. It if is indeed NOT backing up your main internal drive, (the SSD), the SSD must at some point have been added to this exclusion list.
Open System Preferences Click on Time Machine Click the lock and enter your password Click on Options in the lower right You should see listed any volumes excluded from backups You can add or subtract volumes using the + and - signs
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Re: Upgrading a 2017 iMac's RAM and storage (was Re: [macsupportcentral] Question for SEE Finance users?)
#Upgrading
If any of you have done a rotating platter to SATA SSD upgrade, how?would you characterize the performance boost?
I've done that with a MacBook Pro. The improvement in speed is around?x6 (yes, times six) in both boot times and program loading. This is with a?Samsung 840 Pro. Of course, tasks that are CPU-bound don't speed up…?
Years ago I replaced a 320 or 500 GB HDD in a previous (maybe 2009) MBPro with a 500 GB SATA SSD from OWC.
Really impressive speedup, but I don’t remember the numbers. Probably like Otto’s results.
When I moved to my present MBPro (late 2013), I swapped those drives back, but left the SSD in the external case, because the newer laptop came with a 500 GB blade-type SSD.
I’m now thinking of upgrading this blade-SSD to either 1 or 2 TB, and putting the original equipment 500 GB one in an external case.
Sort of your operation, but on a laptop. Simpler.
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