Re: small problem with new computer
On Nov 13, 2024, at 2:29?PM, Jeannie Girard via groups.io <photojeannie8@...> wrote:
yes that [ejecting removable CDs and DVDs] is what it is for, although on the new keyboard , it just is a recessed circle
It’s a recessed circle with a real purpose, if we’re talking about the right upper corner of the keyboard. If that’s it, it’s the Touch ID key.
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Jim Robertson
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Re: small problem with new computer
No I have not I will do that when I go back in? Jeannie
Sorry, I just realized it was the same thing you were already trying.? Have you tried restarting the iMac? ?Try this and let us know if it works: ? Option–Command–Media Eject keys for 1.5 seconds
Pat
My new Imac with the M4 chip arrived Monday, and I have a small annoying problem. I have always used the shortcut option command eject to put my mac to sleep. According to everything I have seen on line, it is still the same, But when I try to use it, I get an empty desktop back and it is asking me for my password. When I put it in, the complete desktop reappears, But It has not gone to sleep . I can make it go to sleep by going to the apple menu and clicking on sleep..But I sure would like my old shortcut back!
Thanks,
?Jeannie
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I found out the if I hold those keys down for 15 seconds it will work<but the I need to use my password to open again,even though I have used settings to say no passwords. If I go to the apple menu I can click on slept and when I wake up the fomputer,no password is needed. Jeannie?
I am running a much older macOS, Catalina, which still has Sys Prefs, instead of Settings, so this is just a shot in the dark. Try reassigning the keyboard shortcuts for that task. That task is not available this far back, so I have to ask, did you use 3rd part app to make the shortcut? There also used to be a way to put a Mac to sleep by another action, is the shortcut there?
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
yes that is what it is for, although on the new keyboard , it just is a recessed circle
Jeannie
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Re: small problem with new computer
I am running a much older macOS, Catalina, which still has Sys Prefs, instead of Settings, so this is just a shot in the dark. Try reassigning the keyboard shortcuts for that task. That task is not available this far back, so I have to ask, did you use 3rd part app to make the shortcut? There also used to be a way to put a Mac to sleep by another action, is the shortcut there?
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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yes that is what it is for, although on the new keyboard , it just is a recessed circle
Jeannie
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Re: small problem with new computer
Sorry, I just realized it was the same thing you were already trying. ?Have you tried restarting the iMac?
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On Nov 13, 2024, at 2:55?PM, Pat Taylor via groups.io <pat412@...> wrote:
? Try this and let us know if it works: ? Option–Command–Media Eject keys for 1.5 seconds
Pat
My new Imac with the M4 chip arrived Monday, and I have a small annoying problem. I have always used the shortcut option command eject to put my mac to sleep. According to everything I have seen on line, it is still the same, But when I try to use it, I get an empty desktop back and it is asking me for my password. When I put it in, the complete desktop reappears, But It has not gone to sleep . I can make it go to sleep by going to the apple menu and clicking on sleep..But I sure would like my old shortcut back!
Thanks,
?Jeannie
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Re: small problem with new computer
Try this and let us know if it works: ? Option–Command–Media Eject keys for 1.5 seconds
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My new Imac with the M4 chip arrived Monday, and I have a small annoying problem. I have always used the shortcut option command eject to put my mac to sleep. According to everything I have seen on line, it is still the same, But when I try to use it, I get an empty desktop back and it is asking me for my password. When I put it in, the complete desktop reappears, But It has not gone to sleep . I can make it go to sleep by going to the apple menu and clicking on sleep..But I sure would like my old shortcut back!
Thanks,
?Jeannie
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mai
On Nov 13, 2024, at 3:40?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
I am not sure the bit about an iPhone or iPad not accepting third party sensitive information. I used to use a small, folding, travel BT keyboard design for cross platform use, Apple, Windows, Palm and others with older iPhones and iPads. That includes passwords, so unless that has changed, that statement is wrong as it stands. That referred to 3rd party keyboards installed through the App Store, not physical keyboards. Since it’s in software it would be possible for one to capture passwords. -- Bev in TX
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I wasn’t asking why, it is more of a dream that there was a standard of where the special characters are positioned. It will never happen, and if it did, it wouldn’t take effect in my life time.?
As far as muscle memory on more than one system, at times I have had it on 4 different ones at times, but as I age, those seem slip away.?
I am not sure the bit about an iPhone or iPad not accepting third party sensitive information. I used to use a small, folding, travel BT keyboard design for cross platform use, Apple, Windows, Palm and others with older iPhones and iPads. That includes passwords, so unless that has changed, that statement is wrong as it stands.?
As far as using third party software to alter a keyboard layout, I have found modifications like that to be problematic. I try to work by, Keep It Simple, Sam. If for no other reason that the next upgrade may break it.?
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On Nov 13, 2024, at 01:58, Bev in TX via groups.io <countryone77@...> wrote:
? ? On Nov 12, 2024, at 7:12?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Bev, my post was to the group, not aimed at you.?
Yes, your post that was quoted triggered some of my response, but so did Randy’s post which mentioned a keyboard from Canada and a Windows or cross platform keyboard, and so did the posts talking about the keyboards in GB. But that was a tiny sampling of GB keyboards, it appears.
I don’t remember which group I posted my whine to, MacSupportCentral, IOMUG, AllApple or AppleiPhone, since so many of us are on several. It was nothing more than a whine, an unsolvable complaint. I don’t use a password manager app, that will save or enter passwords automatically, by personal choice. So on the few that I try to remember I reliy a lot on muscle memory. Most of the commonly allowed special characters are on the number line. Look at those on your Mac’s keyboard and then on your iPhone. They are not in the same position. So it boils down to hunt and peck, rather than touch or muscle memory.?
I It’s possible that they did an ergonomic study, but it’s also possible that someone got a harebrained idea on a blue moon. ?Only someone who worked on that team could answer that question.
I was going to suggest using a 3rd party keyboard, until then I read this, “While entering sensitive information like passwords, your iPhone or iPad will refuse to use the third-party keyboard and only show the Apple keyboard, even if you have removed it from your list of added keyboards.” ?That makes sense for security reasons, but it also means that you can’t reorder keys to suit your particular needs.
The only alternative that I can see is to learn new muscle memory. ?I’ve had physical keyboards that were so different that it required that. ?With sufficient practice, I was able to easily switch back and forth between keyboards.
The point remains, there is no universal standard for ?keyboards. Many are based on QWERTY, but why do number pads or ?calculators have the one on the bottom, but ?phone keypads have ?one on the top row? Each row of number increases as you go to the right, but why not consistently as you travel vertically, either up or down?
Perhaps that hikes back to touch tone phones?
An unsolvable complaint, a whine!
No easy solutions.
And Alt isn’t even used in Apple’s world.?
But that just made it all the more interesting. -- Bev in TX
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Re: small problem with new computer
yes that is what it is for, although on the new keyboard , it just is a recessed circle
Jeannie
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Re: Can a 2017 21.5" iMac be repurposed as a monitor for an Apple Silicon Mac Mini?
On Nov 13, 2024, at 7:57?AM, David G Brooks via groups.io <davidandtrishab@...> wrote:
Thank you for your helpful response, Jim! ?I look forward to learning what progress you make!
The crudest test I did before and after discarding the Fusion Drive in favor of having my entire OS and data storage environment on that 1 TB stick in the Processor Direct Slot was just to clock the boot time to desktop. It was about a quarter as long as it used to be once configured with the latter.
Randy has given you good recommendation for more detailed assessment, and if the computer seems slow, there’s always the Activity Monitor app that might suggest what’s slowing things down.
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Jim Robertson
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Re: small problem with new computer
On Nov 13, 2024, at 1:06?PM, Jeannie Girard via groups.io <photojeannie8@...> wrote:
My new Imac with the M4 chip arrived Monday, and I have a small annoying problem. I have always used the shortcut option command eject to put my mac to sleep.
More keyboard mysteries!
What is the “eject” key on a Mac keyboard? Perhaps it was linked to ejecting a DVD on older keyboards?
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Jim Robertson
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small problem with new computer
My new Imac with the M4 chip arrived Monday, and I have a small annoying problem. I have always used the shortcut option command eject to put my mac to sleep. According to everything I have seen on line, it is still the same, But when I try to use it, I get an empty desktop back and it is asking me for my password. When I put it in, the complete desktop reappears, But It has not gone to sleep . I can make it go to sleep by going to the apple menu and clicking on sleep..But I sure would like my old shortcut back!
Thanks,
?Jeannie
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Re: Can a 2017 21.5" iMac be repurposed as a monitor for an Apple Silicon Mac Mini?
Thank you so much, Randy.
For some reason, the folk on the Apple Support Communities forums frown on the use of ‘CleanMyMac’.
I have tried it myself and thought that it did a good job!
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David
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On 13 Nov 2024, at 15:41, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote:
On Nov 13, 2024, at 6:57 AM, David G Brooks via groups.io <davidandtrishab@...> wrote:
Do you know of some easy and straight-forward way of testing the speed of my current arrangement(s).
Top 5 benchmark apps for Mac performance tests
Mac Benchmarks
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Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice
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Re: Can a 2017 21.5" iMac be repurposed as a monitor for an Apple Silicon Mac Mini?
On Nov 13, 2024, at 6:57 AM, David G Brooks via groups.io <davidandtrishab@...> wrote:
Do you know of some easy and straight-forward way of testing the speed of my current arrangement(s). Top 5 benchmark apps for Mac performance tests Mac Benchmarks __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Re: Can a 2017 21.5" iMac be repurposed as a monitor for an Apple Silicon Mac Mini?
Thank you for your helpful response, Jim! ?I look forward to learning what progress you make!
Do you know of some easy and straight-forward way of testing the speed of my current arrangement(s).
I have used this facility, available from the Apple App Store:-
That result from my Fusion Drive.
Here’s the result when running macOS Ventura from my 1TB external SSD:-  On 13 Nov 2024, at 14:32,? I’m not 100% sure what I’m reviewing!?
For the things I do, the iMac seems quite fast enough!
Kind regards,
- - David
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On Nov 13, 2024, at 2:14?AM, David G Brooks via groups.io <davidandtrishab@...> wrote:
I hope to be guided by your experience and save gambling with MY $100!?
Whether or not you go spelunking inside your iMac may depend on how fast you want the computer to run. OWC sells an NVMe.2 card that replaces the tiny SSD in the 2017 iMac with a 1 or 2 TB INTERNAL SSD which is DRAMATICALLY faster than the Fusion Drive. You can install all the stuff from your external drive, including the OS itself, on that internal SSD and turn the internal rotating platter drive into your Time Machine backups repository. OWC also has free videos (as does iFixIt) that show all the steps involved. You’re still stuck on an older operating system, but you have all the ports on the back of the iMac and you can connect a Thunderbolt Dock from OWC if you need more.
I’m far less adventuresome inside my Macs than I once was. I had original 128 K RAM, then 512 K RAM “fat” Macs, then a Mac Plus in which one could increase the RAM by desoldering a resistor on the motherboard.
Once the Mac evolved to Intel Processors, I experimented on my Mac Pro and managed to Install a “Bare Metal” version of Windows Small Business Server 2008 OS on it to make sure I could run a Windows Outlook and document host for our business (my only experiences with Windows until Boot Camp and then virtualization software that permitted one to run BOTH the macOS and Window came along).
I’m waiting to hear from the Luna Display folks whether I can use the iMac’s ports, keyboard, and mouse with Luna Display. If not, I won’t go down that road.
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Jim Robertson
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Re: Can a 2017 21.5" iMac be repurposed as a monitor for an Apple Silicon Mac Mini?
On Nov 13, 2024, at 2:14?AM, David G Brooks via groups.io <davidandtrishab@...> wrote:
I hope to be guided by your experience and save gambling with MY $100!?
Whether or not you go spelunking inside your iMac may depend on how fast you want the computer to run. OWC sells an NVMe.2 card that replaces the tiny SSD in the 2017 iMac with a 1 or 2 TB INTERNAL SSD which is DRAMATICALLY faster than the Fusion Drive. You can install all the stuff from your external drive, including the OS itself, on that internal SSD and turn the internal rotating platter drive into your Time Machine backups repository. OWC also has free videos (as does iFixIt) that show all the steps involved. You’re still stuck on an older operating system, but you have all the ports on the back of the iMac and you can connect a Thunderbolt Dock from OWC if you need more.
I’m far less adventuresome inside my Macs than I once was. I had original 128 K RAM, then 512 K RAM “fat” Macs, then a Mac Plus in which one could increase the RAM by desoldering a resistor on the motherboard.
Once the Mac evolved to Intel Processors, I experimented on my Mac Pro and managed to Install a “Bare Metal” version of Windows Small Business Server 2008 OS on it to make sure I could run a Windows Outlook and document host for our business (my only experiences with Windows until Boot Camp and then virtualization software that permitted one to run BOTH the macOS and Window came along).
I’m waiting to hear from the Luna Display folks whether I can use the iMac’s ports, keyboard, and mouse with Luna Display. If not, I won’t go down that road.
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Jim Robertson
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mai
? On Nov 12, 2024, at 7:12?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Bev, my post was to the group, not aimed at you.?
Yes, your post that was quoted triggered some of my response, but so did Randy’s post which mentioned a keyboard from Canada and a Windows or cross platform keyboard, and so did the posts talking about the keyboards in GB. But that was a tiny sampling of GB keyboards, it appears.
I don’t remember which group I posted my whine to, MacSupportCentral, IOMUG, AllApple or AppleiPhone, since so many of us are on several. It was nothing more than a whine, an unsolvable complaint. I don’t use a password manager app, that will save or enter passwords automatically, by personal choice. So on the few that I try to remember I reliy a lot on muscle memory. Most of the commonly allowed special characters are on the number line. Look at those on your Mac’s keyboard and then on your iPhone. They are not in the same position. So it boils down to hunt and peck, rather than touch or muscle memory.?
I It’s possible that they did an ergonomic study, but it’s also possible that someone got a harebrained idea on a blue moon. ?Only someone who worked on that team could answer that question.
I was going to suggest using a 3rd party keyboard, until then I read this, “While entering sensitive information like passwords, your iPhone or iPad will refuse to use the third-party keyboard and only show the Apple keyboard, even if you have removed it from your list of added keyboards.” ?That makes sense for security reasons, but it also means that you can’t reorder keys to suit your particular needs.
The only alternative that I can see is to learn new muscle memory. ?I’ve had physical keyboards that were so different that it required that. ?With sufficient practice, I was able to easily switch back and forth between keyboards.
The point remains, there is no universal standard for ?keyboards. Many are based on QWERTY, but why do number pads or ?calculators have the one on the bottom, but ?phone keypads have ?one on the top row? Each row of number increases as you go to the right, but why not consistently as you travel vertically, either up or down?
Perhaps that hikes back to touch tone phones?
An unsolvable complaint, a whine!
No easy solutions.
And Alt isn’t even used in Apple’s world.?
But that just made it all the more interesting. -- Bev in TX
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Re: Can a 2017 21.5" iMac be repurposed as a monitor for an Apple Silicon Mac Mini?
I read your message with interest, Jim!
I very much look forward to learn just how you get on with Lunar Display.
I have my original 2017 iMac on my desk and just love the display quality. I KNOW that it will fail eventually so, as an interim measure (without “wandering inside the iMac” - I just love that phrase!) I have set up my operating system on an external 1TB SSD. I can choose to boot from either my internal 2TB Fusion Drive or from my External 1TB SSD.
I hope to be guided by your experience and save gambling with MY $100! ?
Kind regards,
— David?
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On 13 Nov 2024, at 03:25, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
On Nov 12, 2024, at 11:05?AM, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote:
Of all the people who have contacted me and asked how to use their iMac as a monitor for another Mac, I don’t think that anyone found it worthwhile to attempt. ?However you accomplish it, it will be a kludge. And it might not work well, or at all.
Two reasons I’m trying: - Back in the days that Target Display Mode did work, it worked perfectly.
- The iMac is already sitting on my desk.
I guess I’ll confirm the return policy for Luna Display. On the other hand, I’ve never SEEN so many positive comments on a “rip open your iMac” how-to-do-this” YouTube video as from the link you sent me, but the guy WAS pretty proficient (for example, 3D printing a bracket to guide two cables that now needed to exit the back of the exenterated iMac). I don’t have the heart to wander inside the iMac again myself, but if I’m reassured the Luna Display interface will work with my iMac I’ll at least give it a try and report back. Certainly it wouldn’t make economic sense to spring for a refurbed M1 iMac, but if it enables limited Apple Intelligence manipulations of photos on screens bigger than my 11” iPad Pro or 14” M3 MacBook Pro for an investment of just about $100 (with the laptop doing the processing), I think it’s worth the attempt.
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Jim Robertson
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mail
Thanks so very much for that historical background.
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On Nov 12, 2024, at 11:47?PM, JR via groups.io <Yahoo_jr@...> wrote:
In the late 90's I worked at an Apple retailer... it's about that time you were able to by a Mac with an optional PC card in it that would allow you to run DOS and early versions of Windows. Later on in 2006 you could add Windows to your operating system and boot right into it using Boot Camp Assistant or Boot Camp. This only worked on Intel based Macs.
Per Wikipedia: "Boot Camp currently supports Windows 10 on a range of Macs dated mid-2012 or newer.^<(software)#cite_note-9> Apple Silicon <> is not supported due to being ARM-based <>. Although Windows 11 <> supports ARM64, the ARM64 version is only licensed to OEMs, and there are no drivers for the Apple silicon SoCs <>, so it cannot run on Apple Silicon Macs natively.
For that basic/simple reason, Apple made keyboards that had PC commands printed on SOME keys (though smaller print) that included "alt" on the option key, and the 4 leaf "clover" ? beside the ?.
I recall working on a PC keyboard and using "alt" + a decimal number to type accented characters and those miscellaneous lines to "build" forms with fancy frames and corners...
"Control" and the remaining keys were the same in either OS. I'm typing this on an old clear keyboard with black keys from my G4 days – the Apple Pro keyboard from 2000.
In 2006 Apple improved Apple keyboard support (for Windows) including Delete, PrintScreen, NumLock, and ScrollLock keys. (I only have delete and num lock symbols on this keyboard.)
Cheers
Dinosaur JR
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Bev in TX
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Getting rid of Junk in Mail
In the late 90's I worked at an Apple retailer... it's about that time you were able to by a Mac with an optional PC card in it that would allow you to run DOS and early versions of Windows. Later on in 2006 you could add Windows to your operating system and boot right into it using Boot Camp Assistant or Boot Camp. This only worked on Intel based Macs.
Per Wikipedia: "Boot Camp currently supports Windows 10 on a range of Macs dated mid-2012 or newer.^<(software)#cite_note-9> Apple Silicon <> is not supported due to being ARM-based <>. Although Windows 11 <> supports ARM64, the ARM64 version is only licensed to OEMs, and there are no drivers for the Apple silicon SoCs <>, so it cannot run on Apple Silicon Macs natively.
For that basic/simple reason, Apple made keyboards that had PC commands printed on SOME keys (though smaller print) that included "alt" on the option key, and the 4 leaf "clover" ? beside the ?.
I recall working on a PC keyboard and using "alt" + a decimal number to type accented characters and those miscellaneous lines to "build" forms with fancy frames and corners...
"Control" and the remaining keys were the same in either OS. I'm typing this on an old clear keyboard with black keys from my G4 days – the Apple Pro keyboard from 2000.
In 2006 Apple improved Apple keyboard support (for Windows) including Delete, PrintScreen, NumLock, and ScrollLock keys. (I only have?? delete and??? num lock?? symbols on this keyboard.)
Cheers
Dinosaur JR
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