Re: it’s like a horror movie: my system files have eaten up my boot drive!
Howdy
When I got my Mac Pro (late 2013), now almost seven years ago, I treated the computer as the computational center (system only) of a computer complex with limited SSD space, and moved all music, movies, photos, files, documents, to external hard drives connected by Thunderbolt cables.?
Ah, well, I confess to still having one OWC brand external FireWire 800 enclosure in the mix. I had to replace the ailing drive in it with a newer, larger, drive, but the OWC case refuses to die.?
No regrets and my setup has been very flexible and very reliable for all seven years.?
Apple’s current Macs rather enforce this computer paradigm, with the exception of the Mac Pro cheese grater towers.?
Denver Dan?
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On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:17 AM, Adrie Verweijmeren <adrieverw@...> wrote:
? I had once the problem that my harddisk came full because of saved podcast (done by iTunes).? After that someone helped me a got back a lot of space.?
Maybe you have also that problem.?
Adrie Verweijmeren?
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Re: it’s like a horror movie: my system files have eaten up my boot drive!
I had once the problem that my harddisk came full because of saved podcast (done by iTunes).? After that someone helped me a got back a lot of space.?
Maybe you have also that problem.?
Adrie Verweijmeren?
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Re: My unhappy MacBook Pro
On Oct 30, 2019, at 23:22, Daniel Settles <denver1.dan1@...> wrote:
Have you ever opened the computer and used vacuum and canned air to clear out dust?
I have not. Perhaps that’s what I’ll try should this happen again. I’m thinking I must have accomplished SOMETHING by mounting and running DFA on those other partitions. Jim
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On Oct 30, 2019, at 10:18 PM, nztours via Groups.Io wrote: I view privacy as a treasure our founding fathers were wise enough to wright into the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Yep. Have you, by any chance, read The Patriot Act, and are you aware of all of the stuff YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT is now doing regularly? i think If you look closely at Opera you will find it is not private. Please enlighten us. I didn't say that China isn't and hasn't been doing bad stuff. I'm just saying that you have to be smart these days and you have to think about who you are most worried about (or should be). ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance ___________________________________________
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Re: My unhappy MacBook Pro
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Have you ever opened the computer and used vacuum and canned air to clear out dust?
Denver Dan
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On Oct 31, 2019, at 1:09 AM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
?Mid afternoon today I found myself in a Missoula tea room waiting for my spouse. No WiFi, no power adapter, but enough flat space for me to knock out a few emails.
I opened my late 2017 MacBook Pro (15 inch, 4 core i7, 512 GByte SSD, 1g GB RAM, Touch Bar/4 TB3 ports, macOS 10.14.6, only to discover an onscreen message “your Mac has been restarted because of a problem” (I’ve seen that on screen only rarely in the past).
The internal SSD is about 60% full. I had 8-10 apps running, including several tabs in Safari that displayed auto-updating many-layered USGS and Sonoma County emergency services maps displaying fire perimeter, MODIS data from USGS mapping Satellites, CalTrans and Sonoma County Sheriff’s evacuation maps (memory intensive).
My SSD is encrypted by FileVault2.
I dismissed the message as an oddity and tried to type an email message, but within a minute or two, the computer restarted, with the same message repeated.
I tried booting into Safe Mode (mistakenly, I went first to Single User Mode and realized I’d get nowhere with the command line stuff spewing across the screen). However, I couldn’t get Safe Mode to boot to completion, so I gave up and waited until I was home to trouble shoot more. There, with the power adapter plugged in, I was able to get into Safe Mode and run Disk Utiliity. I read a bit and came across recommendations that I should boot into the recovery partition and run Disk Utility. So, I did that. My encrypted boot partition passed, but when I tried to run Disk Utility on the other partitions on the SSD, I was told about some errors or corruption that might affect booting. A bit more “research” and I uncovered some instructions about unlocking the encrypted disk by mounting the “wrapper” (my term, not Apple’s) partitions first.
Following those instructions, I was able to unlock those pre-boot partitions and run Disk Utility, which now reported NO errors.
I restarted the Mac, logged back into my admin account, and I’ve had no problems over about 3 hours on the computer this evening.
Is it likely there are problems left I don’t recall seeing ANY messages stating that anything had been repaired.
Jim Robertson
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As I clearly said YMMV. I view privacy as a treasure our founding fathers were wise enough to wright into the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I resist any attempt to circumvent those rights by any group, Corp. or Gov.
i think If you look closely at Opera you will find it is not private. ?
In addition, I find China to be an existential threat to the US. They have infiltrated our Universities to steal I.P. and if you manufacture in China you have to share I.P.?They use loop holes in NAFTA to ship subsidized products through Canada and Mexico. Any contract entered into with the Chinese is worthless in my option
They are the biggest suppliers of illegal fentanyl ( through Mexico) killing tens of thousands of ouraa fellow citizens a year.?
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Mid afternoon today I found myself in a Missoula tea room waiting for my spouse. No WiFi, no power adapter, but enough flat space for me to knock out a few emails.
I opened my late 2017 MacBook Pro (15 inch, 4 core i7, 512 GByte SSD, 1g GB RAM, Touch Bar/4 TB3 ports, macOS 10.14.6, only to discover an onscreen message “your Mac has been restarted because of a problem” (I’ve seen that on screen only rarely in the past).
The internal SSD is about 60% full. I had 8-10 apps running, including several tabs in Safari that displayed auto-updating many-layered USGS and Sonoma County emergency services maps displaying fire perimeter, MODIS data from USGS mapping Satellites, CalTrans and Sonoma County Sheriff’s evacuation maps (memory intensive).
My SSD is encrypted by FileVault2.
I dismissed the message as an oddity and tried to type an email message, but within a minute or two, the computer restarted, with the same message repeated.
I tried booting into Safe Mode (mistakenly, I went first to Single User Mode and realized I’d get nowhere with the command line stuff spewing across the screen). However, I couldn’t get Safe Mode to boot to completion, so I gave up and waited until I was home to trouble shoot more. There, with the power adapter plugged in, I was able to get into Safe Mode and run Disk Utiliity. I read a bit and came across recommendations that I should boot into the recovery partition and run Disk Utility. So, I did that. My encrypted boot partition passed, but when I tried to run Disk Utility on the other partitions on the SSD, I was told about some errors or corruption that might affect booting. A bit more “research” and I uncovered some instructions about unlocking the encrypted disk by mounting the “wrapper” (my term, not Apple’s) partitions first.
Following those instructions, I was able to unlock those pre-boot partitions and run Disk Utility, which now reported NO errors.
I restarted the Mac, logged back into my admin account, and I’ve had no problems over about 3 hours on the computer this evening.
Is it likely there are problems left I don’t recall seeing ANY messages stating that anything had been repaired.
Jim Robertson
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Re: it’s like a horror movie: my system files have eaten up my boot drive!
On Oct 30, 2019, at 3:16 PM, Tom_Kirshbaum wrote: A month or so ago I noticed that System in Storage tab on “About this Mac” was growing alarmingly. This used to be a common occurrence. But yours is the first report I've heard of it in quite some time. It is a very frustrating and scary problem when your hard drive quickly fills up for no apparent reason. Unfortunately it could be any of a number of things that has caused this. But it's normally not hard to track down what is causing the problem. The most common cause of this sort of problem is that your OS is detecting a software error (which might be minor), and that error is being written to an error log over and over continuously, causing the log to balloon in size until your hard drive runs out of free space. You can clear out the offending log by downloading: ONYX (free) and use it to clear out all of your log files using: Maintenance --> Scripts and/or Cleaning --> Logs See if that helps. If it doesn't, other possibilities are that: - Time Machine is creating backups on your main drive itself - Dropbox (if you have it) is automatically syncing files to your computer (Go to the Dropbox gear wheel which is at the bottom right of the Dropbox drop down menu. In the window that opens, choose Advanced. Next to the title Selective Sync:. click on Change Settings. Uncheck all the folders/files you do NOT want automatically synced to your computer. ) - Your laptop is creating and storing a huge "sleep image" If none of the above help, see: <> for the mother of all suggestions on where your hard drive space may have gone. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance ___________________________________________
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Re: it’s like a horror movie: my system files have eaten up my boot drive!
Howdy. Quick discussion of snapshots. <> Apple introduced the APFS file system in 2016 to replace the very old HFS+ file system. Snapshots are part of APFS. I think snapshots were introduced in OS X Lion. Denver Dan On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:17:42 -0700, Brent via Groups.Io wrote: What is a Time Machine snapshot?
Brent,
on my iPad
On Oct 30, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Daniel Settles <denver1.dan1@...> wrote:
Howdy.
Have you done routine maintenance procedures like boot in Safe Disk,
boot in Recovery and do First Aid, and delete cache files?
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Re: it’s like a horror movie: my system files have eaten up my boot drive!
What is a Time Machine snapshot?
Brent,
on my iPad
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On Oct 30, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Daniel Settles <denver1.dan1@...> wrote:
Howdy.
Have you done routine maintenance procedures like boot in Safe Disk,
boot in Recovery and do First Aid, and delete cache files?
Have you checked Activity Monitor for heavy usage by something?
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On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:40 PM, nztours via Groups.Io wrote: Personal preference.
I absolutely do not trust the Chinese Gov. not to have their 'fingers' in whatever they can pry open. Probably no different from all "state actors" including our own. Anyway YMMV. I try to limit my exposure. Right. In other words, there have been zero reports of the Chinese government doing anything untoward with regard to Opera users. However, there have been scads of reports in the press of our own government forcing U.S.-based companies to spy on U.S. citizens. Times have changed. The Red Menace isn't your primary concern anymore. If you are working for the U.S. Department of Defense, you should definitely only be using Internet products that they recommend. I can understand being wary of using Internet products from foreign countries. But other than that, folks' biggest fear these days is the U.S. spying on just about everybody. Note that if your Internet tools are provided by a country outside of the U.S., the U.S. is highly unlikely to be able to get a warrant to monitor your activities, and they almost definitely won't be able to bully a foreign corporation into cooperating without a warrant as they can do with a U.S.-based company. So...Internet tools based in countries outside of the U.S., even ones that aren't located in Western countries, have become not only popular, but in many cases desirable. Also, look at your Internet activities. Are they the types of activities that anyone in, let's say China, cares about? Folks in China have no interest in your pron viewing, for instance. Most of the stuff that you want to keep secure, you want to keep out of the hands of your family, your community, your business rivals, or your local government. No one in China likely cares about any of that type of stuff. Also note...China is a totalitarian country. They censor the Internet. Why would a Chinese company be providing a Web browser with a built-in VPN? Yes, to allow folks to surf the Web freely with no censorship. Is that the sort of company that you want to avoid, or support? ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance ___________________________________________
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Re: it’s like a horror movie: my system files have eaten up my boot drive!
HI
Have you ran any programs like Whatsize, or DaisyDisk to determine what files are taking up the space? I remember determining a console log file kept growing once...
Is it possibly the mobile devices backups? They can can be huge as well.
Paul
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Howdy. Have you done routine maintenance procedures like boot in Safe Disk, boot in Recovery and do First Aid, and delete cache files? Have you checked Activity Monitor for heavy usage by something? You can delete snapshots with a Terminal command. ? In Terminal type the following to list snapshots: tmutil listlocalsnapshots / To delete a snapshot the command is (can be copy/pasted from this message): sudo tmutil deletelocalsnapshots You will be asked to type your Admin password. Then type a space and the date info from a snapshot in the list. ?It would look like this: sudo tmutil deletelocalsnapshots 2018-03-01-002010 ?(and a Return) ? I don't know of a batch delete command for snapshots. Good luck Denver Dan On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:16:49 +0000, Tom_Kirshbaum wrote: Not a Halloween joke. A month or so ago I noticed that System in
Storage tab on “About this Mac” was growing alarmingly. The Finder
showed normal numbers (6-8 Gb). My 2017 MacBook Pro is running Mojave
10.14.6 with 250 GB of storage. I started jettisoning files to
exterior drives — about 60 GB, then my photos to the cloud. It made
no difference. Now, according to the Storage tab in “About this Mac,
the system is occupying 162.74 GB, roughly 2/3 of the entire drive! ?
Yikes! ?Available storage is 8.6 MB. Outlook will no longer open,
apparently because it requires some free space. ?My computer is
becoming a brick.
I spent two hours yesterday with an upper level AppleCare tech. We
re-indexed Spotlight. She seemed to know a lot but didn’t know how
to remove Time Machine snapshots, which I gather might be a problem.
We tried many things, some of them in Terminal, such as “thinning
snapsbots,” but accomplished nothing. Since the system files started
growing
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Re: CNN: Apple warns some iPhone users: Update your phone or lose internet
Howdy. Thanks for that extra info. Denver Dan On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:07:03 -0700, DaveC via Groups.Io wrote: Just spoke with AppleCare. This announcement is for those owners of
iPhone 5 models only.
Dave
On 30 Oct 2019, at 14:59, Daniel Settles wrote:
Apple warns some iPhone users: Update your phone or lose internet
If it ain't broke, don't fix it ― right? Well, some of you Apple
product users may not have a choice this weekend.
Read in CNN:
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Re: it’s like a horror movie: my system files have eaten up my boot drive!
Howdy. Have you done routine maintenance procedures like boot in Safe Disk, boot in Recovery and do First Aid, and delete cache files? Have you checked Activity Monitor for heavy usage by something? You can delete snapshots with a Terminal command. In Terminal type the following to list snapshots: tmutil listlocalsnapshots / To delete a snapshot the command is (can be copy/pasted from this message): sudo tmutil deletelocalsnapshots You will be asked to type your Admin password. Then type a space and the date info from a snapshot in the list. It would look like this: sudo tmutil deletelocalsnapshots 2018-03-01-002010 (and a Return) I don't know of a batch delete command for snapshots. Good luck Denver Dan On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:16:49 +0000, Tom_Kirshbaum wrote: Not a Halloween joke. A month or so ago I noticed that System in
Storage tab on “About this Mac” was growing alarmingly. The Finder
showed normal numbers (6-8 Gb). My 2017 MacBook Pro is running Mojave
10.14.6 with 250 GB of storage. I started jettisoning files to
exterior drives ― about 60 GB, then my photos to the cloud. It made
no difference. Now, according to the Storage tab in “About this Mac,
the system is occupying 162.74 GB, roughly 2/3 of the entire drive!
Yikes! Available storage is 8.6 MB. Outlook will no longer open,
apparently because it requires some free space. My computer is
becoming a brick.
I spent two hours yesterday with an upper level AppleCare tech. We
re-indexed Spotlight. She seemed to know a lot but didn’t know how
to remove Time Machine snapshots, which I gather might be a problem.
We tried many things, some of them in Terminal, such as “thinning
snapsbots,” but accomplished nothing. Since the system files started
growing [|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|] iSent from iDan's GyazMail on my MacPro
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Re: CNN: Apple warns some iPhone users: Update your phone or lose internet
Just spoke with AppleCare. This announcement is for those owners of iPhone 5 models only.
Dave
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On 30 Oct 2019, at 14:59, Daniel Settles wrote:
Apple warns some iPhone users: Update your phone or lose internet
If it ain't broke, don't fix it — right? Well, some of you Apple product users may not have a choice this weekend.
Read in CNN:
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it’s like a horror movie: my system files have eaten up my boot drive!
Not a Halloween joke. A month or so ago I noticed that System in Storage tab on “About this Mac” was growing alarmingly. The Finder showed normal numbers (6-8 Gb). My 2017 MacBook Pro is running Mojave 10.14.6 with 250 GB of storage. I started jettisoning files
to exterior drives — about 60 GB, then my photos to the cloud. It made no difference. Now, according to the Storage tab in “About this Mac, the system is occupying 162.74 GB, roughly 2/3 of the entire drive! ?Yikes! ?Available storage is 8.6 MB. Outlook will
no longer open, apparently because it requires some free space. ?My computer is becoming a brick.?
I spent two hours yesterday with an upper level AppleCare tech. We re-indexed Spotlight. She seemed to know a lot but didn’t know how to remove Time Machine snapshots, which I gather might be a problem. We tried many things, some of them in Terminal, such as
“thinning snapsbots,” but accomplished nothing. Since the system files started growing?
Get
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Re: Upgrading to El Capitan
On Oct 30, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Brent via Groups.Io <whodo678@...> wrote:
- Can I, or is there a way to install Windows XP into Boot Camp in 10.11? I use it occasionally, but not enough to purchase a newer version.
I haven’t use a Boot Camp or Windows XP on my 2008 Mac Pro, but I have a few comments about this...Apple doesn’t have online instructions for installing Windows XP in Boot Camp anymore — just Window 7 and later.?I dug around a bit today and at least some folks did have problems running XP in Boot Camp after installing El Capitan. ?But it’s not clear to me as to what type of installation caused those problems (clean vs in place). ?You “might” be okay with an in place upgrade, but that’s not certain. ?One fellow said that he was able to get Boot Camp & XP working again by using the XP drivers on the Leopard discs that came with his computer. ?This sounds a bit on the tricky side to me, but maybe I missed something.
IMPORTANT: ?if you plan on trying to keep your existing Boot Camp partition, then you should back it up and/or clone it separately from your regular Mac OS partition. ?That is, Mac disk cloner software cannot clone your Windows XP partition as a bootable partition. ?On the Bombich website they recommend using WinClone, or a commercial app. ?Whatever you choose, make sure to understand all caveats of using that particular app.
ALTERNATIVE: ?if you only infrequently use Windows XP, then you might consider switching to installing it in a virtual machine, instead of Boot Camp. ?I’ve used the free VirtualBox software for running Linux on my 2008 Mac Pro. ?It’s a little slower than running it natively, but not objectionable so for me. ?You would still need to backup any data that you would want to transfer from the existing Boot Camp partition, but it would not need to be a bootable clone. -- Bev in TX
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CNN: Apple warns some iPhone users: Update your phone or lose internet
Apple warns some iPhone users: Update your phone or lose internet
If it ain't broke, don't fix it — right? Well, some of you Apple product users may not have a choice this weekend.
Read in CNN:
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Thank you for the "how to". But I prefer not to read by thread most of the time. Old habits from work make me read chronologically, oldest to newest. A lot of what I did at work besides troubleshooting, was to put out fires. When it costs $10k - 30k a day to have a crew standing around, you work that way.
Brent
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On Oct 29, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Bev in TX wrote:
On Oct 29, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Brent via Groups.Io <whodo678@...> wrote:
I normally don't read by thread, and when I am on my iPad, I don't believe it is available in Mail.app “Go to Settings > Mail, then turn on Organize by Thread.
To change how threads are displayed, you can also change other settings in Settings > Mail—such as Collapse Read Messages or Most Recent Message on Top.”
Excerpt From
iPad User Guide for iPadOS 13.1
Apple Inc.
This material may be protected by copyright.
The same is true for iOS 12.
With that said, I normally prefer to not use that option. It’s been a long time since I used it on my Mac, and on that OS it did strange things when I deleted messages.
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Bev in TX
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Tim, excuse my "creative reading". Thank you for the illumination.
That adds about 3 steps to finding the quoted email, after opening another app.?After 20 years of just scrolling down in email, to find the quoted post. This not only changes a long established work flow, but is ?>>Change<<. You know how we take change, begrudgingly.
I find it much easier to just scroll down in email, with human readable info. I am not opposed to randomly located info, after all I am certified for material requirement planning, but it still gives human readable info to a randomly selected location.
On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:55 AM, timmeidroth wrote: brent, i find it helpful, simple and useful…at any individual email footer, just tap "view/reply online (#///)" and it will go to the website, where all you have to do is put in the # of the message you want, click and then bob's your uncle! we're all on a learning curve in the new .io group...let's embrace it.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:56 PM Brent via Groups.Io <whodo678= [email protected]> wrote: Tim, quoting a post number does not help. I assume you are on digest, because finding a post by number in email is a pain. And it was Jim Robertson.
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