Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
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On Oct 26, 2019, at 1:39 PM, Daniel Settles <denver1.dan1@...> wrote:
?Howdy.
Several points.
Catalina changes the boot volume. The Catalina installer creates two
volumes from you previous boot drive. These two volumes are linked so
in many parts of Finder they appear as a single drive and single icon.
In Disk Utility you can see both volumes.
Do you have a good idea of what a volume is? Of what a partition is??
You should be using CCC ver. 5. On my Mac, CCC shows as version
5. I sawthe two new volumes on disk utility after installing Catalina. I used disk utility to partition the HD and got a new volume which showed on monitor. It is that volume that I now unmount routinely in rebooting in morning and all works well. I have the same update of CCC as you do. My problem started with partitioning. I don¡¯t know how to undo. How to get rid of partition (Volume) I created. Bob
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
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Howdy. Several points. Catalina changes the boot volume. The Catalina installer creates two volumes from you previous boot drive. These two volumes are linked so in many parts of Finder they appear as a single drive and single icon. In Disk Utility you can see both volumes. Do you have a good idea of what a volume is? Of what a partition is?? You should be using CCC ver. 5. On my Mac, CCC shows as version 5.1.13. If you were using CCC version 4, it's a paid upgrade to version 5. It sounds like you need to start over. I'm not sure what happened when you "clicked partition...which renamed." It also sounds as though dealing with a partition in Disk Utility is a bit of a difficult exercise for you. If we can help with that, please ask. However, IIRC, I think before our transition to groups.io I tried to suggest to you four times that you should use the Partition command in Disk Utility and never saw a reply that you had been able to do that. Denver Dan On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 12:51:27 -0500, robert morin wrote: I upgraded to Catalina and everything worked fine except when trying
to back to external using CCC. Got message that HD was not
partitioned correctly. Using disk utility I clicked partition on my
HD (first mistake) got a new volume on monitor which renamed.
Partitioned the external similarly. Tried to use CCC again, no
luck. Erasing etc, no luck. Dan suggested external was bad. But
time machine worked well. Left things alone and rest fine.
Two days later small update to Catalina which I did. Noticed another
relocated file with only couple items in it. Didn¡¯t know where to
put items so just put the file where I store documents. Then I
noticed I had another of that file. Figured didn¡¯t need two so
trashed it (second mistake). Everything was working fine. Next day I
had exact same problems you described. Day or so fooling around I
unmounted the new HD partition, the problem you described went away.
The issue appears to be in those few relocated items.
I have given up on backing my computer. I have iPad which I use more.
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
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On Oct 26, 2019, at 4:26 AM, Janet Brunner via Groups.Io <janetsbrunner@...> wrote:
?Hello All,
I have found one ¡°issue¡± since upgrading to Catalina and it¡¯s starting to drive me crazy.
I shut down my Mac each night before bed. I follow the usual sequence of clicking on the Apple icon, choosing shut down, and shut down again. About 50% of the time my Mac will choose to Restart instead of shut I upgraded to Catalina and everything worked fine except when trying to back to external using CCC. Got message that HD was not partitioned correctly. Using disk utility I clicked partition on my HD (first mistake) got a new volume on monitor which renamed. Partitioned the external similarly. Tried to use CCC again, no luck. Erasing etc, no luck. Dan suggested external was bad. But time machine worked well. Left things alone and rest fine. Two days later small update to Catalina which I did. Noticed another relocated file with only couple items in it. Didn¡¯t know where to put items so just put the file where I store documents. Then I noticed I had another of that file. Figured didn¡¯t need two so trashed it (second mistake). Everything was working fine. Next day I had exact same problems you described. Day or so fooling around I unmounted the new HD partition, the problem you described went away. The issue appears to be in those few relocated items. I have given up on backing my computer. I have iPad which I use more. Bob
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Sent from JT's Ipad - maybe using voice dictation! On Oct 25, 2019, at 17:24, Brent via Groups.Io <whodo678@...> wrote:
I would feel insecure with a $70 UPS. I guess our posts passed on the internet, because I just posted about laser printers causing surges. The momentary outage is not the problem, it is the surge that does the damage. Don't even think of putting a laser printer [or any other device with a large motor] on a consumer grade UPS.
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I have a 2011 iMac 21.5 in. running 10.13.6. It has been running a bit hot lately, so I need to take it apart to clean it out. I also need to clean the screen on the inside because of a large clouded area. I have decided to replace the hard drive with a SSD drive when its apart. I have 2 questions. What format to use on the new drive? And how to get the iMac to boot up to my clone backup when I first start it up? I found some conflicting answers on a few web searches and just want to be sure.??
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 17:24, hoplist < hoplist@...> wrote:
I am fully sympathetic to the idea that investing time and effort into collecting fees may not be worth it. And I understand that moderation is hard and time consuming. Thank ?you.
To everyone else: If you spend time here, take a moment to note who the moderators are (it¡¯s on the home page) and keep this in mind when you see the message comes from them. My son was once a professional moderator. He actually got paid to moderate and these were forums that he loved, but only a sense of duty kept him doing it.?
Some tips for following lists that will make your time (and the moderators) easier:
Set a filter for list mail that automatically moves every piece into it¡¯s own folder. Set this list mail folder to view by thread.
For Apple Mail, go to Mail>Preferences>Rules and add a new rule. I recommend: If Subject contains "[macsupportcentral]¡± AND To contains ¡° [email protected]¡± then ¡°Move Message¡± and then ¡°Stop Evaluating Rules¡±
Note that when moderators post important messages about the group as a whole, they should have [Admin] or [ADMIN] at the start of the subject line.?
Otto
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
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I shut down my Mac each night before bed. ?I follow the usual sequence of clicking on the Apple icon, choosing shut down, and shut down again. ?
About 50% of the time my Mac will choose to Restart instead of shut down¡.and I have been extremely careful to choose shut down each time. ?
It¡¯s really a pain having to wait for it to load up so I can shut it down again. ?It has always shut down on the second try when this happens.
Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions about this? ?I would love to find a fix. Janet
FWIW, my practice (on a laptop) has been to log out (Shift-Command-q or Option-Shift-Command-q), then click on the Shutdown or Restart buttonon the screen.
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On Oct 25, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Dave Kelly via Groups.Io < drkelly@...> wrote:
This topic has been hashed over and over for the past couple of weeks. I'm sorry my answer of "No" was so curt.
I am fully sympathetic to the idea that investing time and effort into collecting fees may not be worth it. And I understand that moderation is hard and time consuming. Thank ?you.
To everyone else: If you spend time here, take a moment to note who the moderators are (it¡¯s on the home page) and keep this in mind when you see the message comes from them. My son was once a professional moderator. He actually got paid to moderate and these were forums that he loved, but only a sense of duty kept him doing it.?
Some tips for following lists that will make your time (and the moderators) easier:
Set a filter for list mail that automatically moves every piece into it¡¯s own folder. Set this list mail folder to view by thread.
For Apple Mail, go to Mail>Preferences>Rules and add a new rule. I recommend: If Subject contains "[macsupportcentral]¡± AND To contains ¡° [email protected]¡± then ¡°Move Message¡± and then ¡°Stop Evaluating Rules¡±
Cheers, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? tod
Cheers,
?It's been asked and answered a few times. Anyway, if you would like to be a moderator and point out every time someone doesn't add a quote in their reply we could add you as one of our moderators. If you're interested, email [email protected] and make that a request.
Dave
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
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Howdy. Janet. Here is info on routine maintenance procedures for your Macintosh. 1. Safe Disk Boot. Restart your Mac and at the Chime press the Shift key. Keep it pressed while the Mac boots up. It will take longer to boot because it's doing maintenance things. When the Log in with your home user account password box appears let up on the Shift key, type your password, and it will finish booting. Safe Disk Boot shuts off a number of things that load automatically (like using the Internet), it deletes some cache files, it does a disk check. After doing a Safe Disk Boot, restart your Mac in the usual way. 2. Recovery Partition boot. Restart and press Command r. Your Mac should boot into an invisible partition that has a basic system folder and Disk Utility and other things. You can use First Aid on your normal boot drive to check and repair it. After finished you quit Disk Utility, restart (picking your normal boot drive). 3. OnyX by Titanium Software. <> OnyX is a great utility for doing a variety of maintenance things for your Mac. It's important to download the correct version of OnyX for your OS X version. OnyX can delete even more cache files than Safe Disk Boot. For learning about some of the steps, OnyX has a question mark in each panel that provides a brief explanation of that it does. Denver Dan On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 07:48:37 -0500, Janet Brunner via Groups.Io wrote: Thanks for the suggestions Dan, I appreciate it¡.but¡.I don¡¯t know
how to do a Safe Disk Boot, and not quite sure how to delete cache
files. Would you be so kind as to guide me through these so I can
give it a try?
Thanks so much,
Janet
On Oct 26, 2019, at 7:44 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io
<otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
I shut down my MacBook Pro with the key combo
Control-Option-Command-Eject
Does that work with an iMac (if you don't have an Eject key, use the
Power button instead)?
Otto
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 10:26, Janet Brunner via Groups.Io
<janetsbrunner@...> wrote:
Hello All,
I have found one ¡°issue¡± since upgrading to Catalina and it¡¯s
starting to drive me crazy.
I shut down my Mac each night before bed. I follow the usual
sequence of clicking on the Apple icon, choosing shut down, and
shut down again. About 50% of the time my Mac will choose to
Restart instead of shut down¡.and I have been extremely careful to
choose shut down each time.
It¡¯s really a pain having to wait for it to load up so I can shut
it down again. It has always shut down on the second try when this
happens.
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Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions about this? I would love
to find a fix. [|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|] iSent from iDan's GyazMail on my MacPro
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 14:53, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson= [email protected]> wrote: That¡¯s not been my habit, and I didn¡¯t realize it orchestrated an organized exit with appropriate reminders, and when I tried it on my Touch Bar equipped MacBook Pro, I discovered that the whole combo does not work with the combination Touch ID sensor/power button on current generation laptops (verified at Apple Support).
<> still gives that combo, so something's not right.
Otto
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
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I shut down my MacBook Pro with the key combo?Control-Option-Command-Eject
Does that work with an iMac (if you don't have?an Eject key, use the Power button instead)?
That¡¯s not been my habit, and I didn¡¯t realize it orchestrated an organized exit with appropriate reminders, and when I tried it on my Touch Bar equipped MacBook Pro, I discovered that the whole combo does not work with the combination Touch ID sensor/power button on current generation laptops (verified at Apple Support).
Jim Robertson
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On Oct 26, 2019, at 6:34 AM, ihor43us via Groups.Io < ihor43us@...> wrote:
There is the possibility that parts for octogenarian computers are in short supply so the question is will fans/controllers from younger Macs fit? I would think that those parts would be common over many generations.
Possibly so for your ¡°Cheese Grater¡± Mac Pro, but not so for the iMac. Peeking at MacTracker, I was astounded to see that the current shape of the iMac has endured for about 15 years. I¡¯d wager that there have been many minor and some major changes in the precise shape and location of its innards over the years as Jony Ives¡¯s minions have waged their battle to keep it svelte on the outside but buffed on the inside (sorry for the technical terms). However, Mac sites such as iFixit and Other World Computing maintain well categorized inventories of Apple parts long after Apple stops selling them. If two iMacs and one Cheese Grater Mac Pro are overheating in your environment, I would worry a LOT about your wiring unless your house is also filled with cats and dogs or other hair-shedding mammals.
Jim Robertson
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
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Thanks for the suggestions Dan, I appreciate it¡.but¡.I don¡¯t know how to do a Safe Disk Boot, and not quite sure how to delete cache files. ?Would you be so kind as to guide me through these so I can give it a try?Thanks so much,Janet
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I shut down my MacBook Pro with the key combo? Control-Option-Command-Eject
Does that work with an iMac (if you don't have?an Eject key, use the Power button instead)?
Otto On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 10:26, Janet Brunner via Groups.Io <janetsbrunner= [email protected]> wrote: Hello All, I have found one ¡°issue¡± since upgrading to Catalina and it¡¯s starting to drive me crazy. I shut down my Mac each night before bed.? I follow the usual sequence of clicking on the Apple icon, choosing shut down, and shut down again.? About 50% of the time my Mac will choose to Restart instead of shut down¡.and I have been extremely careful to choose shut down each time. ? It¡¯s really a pain having to wait for it to load up so I can shut it down again.? It has always shut down on the second try when this happens. <Screen Shot 2019-10-26 at 4.18.07 AM.png> Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions about this?? I would love to find a fix.
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
#Mac
I shut down my MacBook Pro with the key combo? Control-Option-Command-Eject
Does that work with an iMac (if you don't have?an Eject key, use the Power button instead)?
Otto
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 10:26, Janet Brunner via Groups.Io <janetsbrunner= [email protected]> wrote: Hello All, I have found one ¡°issue¡± since upgrading to Catalina and it¡¯s starting to drive me crazy. I shut down my Mac each night before bed.? I follow the usual sequence of clicking on the Apple icon, choosing shut down, and shut down again.? About 50% of the time my Mac will choose to Restart instead of shut down¡.and I have been extremely careful to choose shut down each time. ? It¡¯s really a pain having to wait for it to load up so I can shut it down again.? It has always shut down on the second try when this happens. Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions about this?? I would love to find a fix.
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Re: Shut Down/Restart Problem
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Howdy. Interesting. Janet I think I've experienced this same problem since changing to macOS X 10.15 Catalina. Only at first with the 10.15.0 upgrade. You might try some maintenance steps like a Safe Disk Boot and deleting cache files. Then boot into Recovery and do a First Aid run on your boot drive. Please pass on if this helps. Denver Dan On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 04:26:46 -0500, Janet Brunner via Groups.Io wrote: I have found one ¡°issue¡± since upgrading to Catalina and it¡¯s
starting to drive me crazy.
I shut down my Mac each night before bed. I follow the usual
sequence of clicking on the Apple icon, choosing shut down, and shut
down again. About 50% of the time my Mac will choose to Restart
instead of shut down¡.and I have been extremely careful to choose
shut down each time.
It¡¯s really a pain having to wait for it to load up so I can shut it
down again. It has always shut down on the second try when this
happens.
Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions about this? I would love to
find a fix.
Thanks for any feedback.
Janet
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Many thanks to the responses and suggestions. I apologize for not getting the name straight. It is a Mac Pro from 2008. I clean the dust regularly - you don't realize how dusty the house is until you open the case.
I also have a 21"? iMac bought at the same time which also exhibits that behavior and is also cleaned regularly. Actually bought 3 and two are over heating. My daughter does not use hers much.
The systems are on UPS with surge protection so I think that narrows it down to heat/fans. These fans are speed controlled I believe so the issue could be the fan or the controller. ? Is there anyone here that has replaced either? The sources on Google are non-specific and I do not want to put a non-Mac part in them so I was looking for a link to an inexpensive Mac parts store.?
There is the possibility that parts for octogenarian computers are in short supply so the question is will fans/controllers from younger Macs fit? I would think that those parts would be common over many generations.
Thanks again for all the answers and apologies for not responding sooner. A site I look after got hacked and I have been up to my hairline in php code delivering eviction notices .......
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Shut Down/Restart Problem
#Mac
Hello All, I have found one ¡°issue¡± since upgrading to Catalina and it¡¯s starting to drive me crazy. I shut down my Mac each night before bed. ?I follow the usual sequence of clicking on the Apple icon, choosing shut down, and shut down again. ?About 50% of the time my Mac will choose to Restart instead of shut down¡.and I have been extremely careful to choose shut down each time. ? It¡¯s really a pain having to wait for it to load up so I can shut it down again. ?It has always shut down on the second try when this happens. Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions about this? ?I would love to find a fix. Thanks for any feedback. Janet
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Great info, Dan.
It reminds me of one I solved remotely. It was very rare, and not likely to apply to others.
The user lived in Thailand, and his Mac would restart intermittently. He had checked the 3 items Randy listed. He didn't seem to have the power noise we are discussing. He finally disclosed that his outlets did not have a ground, typical in his location. He was using a 3 to 2 adapter. I suggested that he try a temporary ground wire. Not easy in a concrete building. He resisted, but finally tried it. When he did the problem went away. He then had a permanent grounded outlet put in, professionally.
Sent from my iPad,
Brent
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On Oct 25, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Daniel Settles <denver1.dan1@...> wrote:
Howdy.
I'll add to this.
I used to visit a private girls school near Middleburg, Virginia, to
deal with several Macs. The human buildings were very old with old
electricity and no central A/C. The horse barns for the rich girls'
own horses were nicer than the dorms or office buildings
They moved a graphics design office to a different room then installed
a large 110 volt AC window unit on the same circuit as the Mac,
printer, scanner, etc., and every time the AC's compressor kicked on
the Mac shut down.
It took putting in a separate electrical circuit for the AC to solve
the problem.
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Randy B. Singer wrote: I DO wholeheartedly agree that everyone should have a UPS.??If you experience one nasty brownout with a huge following surge in?power, it will have paid for itself. ?I also note that folks who have USP's?have Macs that tend to be remarkably trouble-free and long-lived.
I¡¯ve only gotten CyberPower devices for my full-sized UPS needs for years: - There¡¯s one where the FiOS cable comes into the house, and the router and other electronics live.
- There¡¯s one at the TV, supporting the set-top box, the Blu-Ray player, the Apple TV, and a couple of other low-requirement digital devices.
- There¡¯s one supporting my wife¡¯s full-size Linux box and accessories.
- I have a much smaller unit for my laptop and accessories.
- And I pay a monthly rent to the power company to have a whole-house surge protector at the power meter, which comes with a $10,000 insurance policy.
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Howdy.
One should not plug large power-draining equipment like a laser printer
into a UPS battery box. ?
A. ?It's not necessary. ?One can print when power comes back on.
B. ?The primary purpose of the UPS is to allow enough time to save
files and shut down computer when the power goes off.
Yes, just computers and external drives that can be damaged if writing to them just when power goes off. If any other peripherals lose power then so what?? Denver Dan On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 16:36:59 -0400, Barry Austern via Groups.Io wrote:
I would not run a desktop machine without a UPS. You can get a
reasonably decent one for $70 or less. When I start my laser printer
I hear my UPS click, so I assume that maybe without it my Mac would
lose power.
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