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On Nov 29, 2024, at 17:47, Harry Jacobson-Beyer via groups.io <hejb44@...> wrote:

I recently upgraded my phone to iOS 18.1.1.

I also am a heavy user of Reminders.

One of the "non-improvements” apple added to this latest iOS is that reminders show up in the calendar. It is annoying as as annoying can be.

I called Apple and they said there is no way to turn that feature off. However the person I talked to created a ticket. Right now it is at level 3 and as people call in to complain about the issue they add those complaints to the ticket. As they add complainants to the ticket it will increase the ticket to level 2 and eventually (if enough people complain) it will reach level 1. If that happens the complaint goes to the engineers who hopefully will provide a fix.

So I am asking all my friends who have iOS 18 to call apple and complain. (Call even if you don’t use reminders). If you do use reminders and like that the reminders show up in calendar then follow your heart.

If you do call then you will have my undying gratitude. Also please pass this on to all your Apple iPhone user friends and aquaintances.

Here is the number to call: 1 (800) 692-7753

Thanks to all of you who do this.

Harry

On Dec 1, 2024, at 12:54?PM, Bill Rising via groups.io <brising@...> wrote:

I see what you mean with the reminders. I've never used them for anything with a date (I use OmniFocus for things like that), but I can imagine it's really annoying to see things little chores show up in the calendar (which typically gets used for appointments and blocking dates), what with the limited space to display a day's activities.

I'm never quite sure why software companies make big sweeping on/off changes without any preferences to shut them off. Of course, Apple has alway had in it's mind what is right for the user, even if it runs into their increasingly ignored interface guidlines.

While griping, lemme tell you why I don't use reminders more ... I started finding them useful once there were sublists. BUT ... while sublists work on my iPhone, they don't work in Ventura, which is the last macOS I can use (still on Intel). Whatever.

One good point with iOS 18: the app preferences are much less of a mess. I'm glad that Apple decided putting all apps in alphabetical order could be useful.

Bill
in a griping mood

On Nov 29, 2024, at 17:47, Harry Jacobson-Beyer via groups.io <hejb44@...> wrote:

I recently upgraded my phone to iOS 18.1.1.

I also am a heavy user of Reminders.

One of the "non-improvements” apple added to this latest iOS is that reminders show up in the calendar. It is annoying as as annoying can be.

I called Apple and they said there is no way to turn that feature off. However the person I talked to created a ticket. Right now it is at level 3 and as people call in to complain about the issue they add those complaints to the ticket. As they add complainants to the ticket it will increase the ticket to level 2 and eventually (if enough people complain) it will reach level 1. If that happens the complaint goes to the engineers who hopefully will provide a fix.

So I am asking all my friends who have iOS 18 to call apple and complain. (Call even if you don’t use reminders). If you do use reminders and like that the reminders show up in calendar then follow your heart.

If you do call then you will have my undying gratitude. Also please pass this on to all your Apple iPhone user friends and aquaintances.

Here is the number to call: 1 (800) 692-7753

Thanks to all of you who do this.

Harry

On Dec 1, 2024, at 2:58?PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer via groups.io <hejb44@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,
Thanks for your reply. My Mac is got an M1 chip. I used to use Wonderlist which was better than reminders but Microsoft bought Wonderlist, killed it and tried to get me to use their product (I don’t remember the name). I tried it but didn’t care for it so went to Reminders, which works fine for me.

I’m not going to upgrade from Sonoma to OS 15 till I have to or until Mac separates Reminders from Calendar. I don’t need or want that grief.

Harry

On Dec 1, 2024, at 12:54?PM, Bill Rising via groups.io <brising@...> wrote:

I see what you mean with the reminders. I've never used them for anything with a date (I use OmniFocus for things like that), but I can imagine it's really annoying to see things little chores show up in the calendar (which typically gets used for appointments and blocking dates), what with the limited space to display a day's activities.

I'm never quite sure why software companies make big sweeping on/off changes without any preferences to shut them off. Of course, Apple has alway had in it's mind what is right for the user, even if it runs into their increasingly ignored interface guidlines.

While griping, lemme tell you why I don't use reminders more ... I started finding them useful once there were sublists. BUT ... while sublists work on my iPhone, they don't work in Ventura, which is the last macOS I can use (still on Intel). Whatever.

One good point with iOS 18: the app preferences are much less of a mess. I'm glad that Apple decided putting all apps in alphabetical order could be useful.

Bill
in a griping mood

On Nov 29, 2024, at 17:47, Harry Jacobson-Beyer via groups.io <hejb44@...> wrote:

I recently upgraded my phone to iOS 18.1.1.

I also am a heavy user of Reminders.

One of the "non-improvements” apple added to this latest iOS is that reminders show up in the calendar. It is annoying as as annoying can be.

I called Apple and they said there is no way to turn that feature off. However the person I talked to created a ticket. Right now it is at level 3 and as people call in to complain about the issue they add those complaints to the ticket. As they add complainants to the ticket it will increase the ticket to level 2 and eventually (if enough people complain) it will reach level 1. If that happens the complaint goes to the engineers who hopefully will provide a fix.

So I am asking all my friends who have iOS 18 to call apple and complain. (Call even if you don’t use reminders). If you do use reminders and like that the reminders show up in calendar then follow your heart.

If you do call then you will have my undying gratitude. Also please pass this on to all your Apple iPhone user friends and aquaintances.

Here is the number to call: 1 (800) 692-7753

Thanks to all of you who do this.

Harry

On Dec 6, 2024, at 1:46?AM, Dan Crutcher via groups.io <dcrutcher@...> wrote:

I’m glad I retired so I don’t have to use Reminders any more. My wife has taken over that job.

Dan

On Dec 1, 2024, at 2:58?PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer via groups.io <hejb44@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,
Thanks for your reply. My Mac is got an M1 chip. I used to use Wonderlist which was better than reminders but Microsoft bought Wonderlist, killed it and tried to get me to use their product (I don’t remember the name). I tried it but didn’t care for it so went to Reminders, which works fine for me.

I’m not going to upgrade from Sonoma to OS 15 till I have to or until Mac separates Reminders from Calendar. I don’t need or want that grief.

Harry

On Dec 1, 2024, at 12:54?PM, Bill Rising via groups.io <brising@...> wrote:

I see what you mean with the reminders. I've never used them for anything with a date (I use OmniFocus for things like that), but I can imagine it's really annoying to see things little chores show up in the calendar (which typically gets used for appointments and blocking dates), what with the limited space to display a day's activities.

I'm never quite sure why software companies make big sweeping on/off changes without any preferences to shut them off. Of course, Apple has alway had in it's mind what is right for the user, even if it runs into their increasingly ignored interface guidlines.

While griping, lemme tell you why I don't use reminders more ... I started finding them useful once there were sublists. BUT ... while sublists work on my iPhone, they don't work in Ventura, which is the last macOS I can use (still on Intel). Whatever.

One good point with iOS 18: the app preferences are much less of a mess. I'm glad that Apple decided putting all apps in alphabetical order could be useful.

Bill
in a griping mood

On Nov 29, 2024, at 17:47, Harry Jacobson-Beyer via groups.io <hejb44@...> wrote:

I recently upgraded my phone to iOS 18.1.1.

I also am a heavy user of Reminders.

One of the "non-improvements” apple added to this latest iOS is that reminders show up in the calendar. It is annoying as as annoying can be.

I called Apple and they said there is no way to turn that feature off. However the person I talked to created a ticket. Right now it is at level 3 and as people call in to complain about the issue they add those complaints to the ticket. As they add complainants to the ticket it will increase the ticket to level 2 and eventually (if enough people complain) it will reach level 1. If that happens the complaint goes to the engineers who hopefully will provide a fix.

So I am asking all my friends who have iOS 18 to call apple and complain. (Call even if you don’t use reminders). If you do use reminders and like that the reminders show up in calendar then follow your heart.

If you do call then you will have my undying gratitude. Also please pass this on to all your Apple iPhone user friends and aquaintances.

Here is the number to call: 1 (800) 692-7753

Thanks to all of you who do this.

Harry