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GU-78B shorted grid

 

<I have a GU-78B that has developed a grid short. I have determined the grid
<short initiates about 2 minutes after power on and ends after about 5
<minutes.

<I have tried unsuccessfully to 'burn' the short by hooking up a 560?f
<capacitor fed with 300vdc.

<What other methods that can be tried to 'burn' this short?

<Doug
?
##? I assume you mean? the? control? grid....and not the screen? grid ?
?
##? If it is the? control grid......? Im assuming? the? control grid? is? shorting to the cathode ? ?? Or is the? control grid? shorted to the? screen grid ?
?
##? 560 uf cap charged up to 300 vdc? =?? 25.2? joules.?? Thats not? a lot of energy.
?
##? What happens after? 5 minutes..and the short? vanishes??? Is the? tube now usable ?????
?
##? watch out, the? control? grid? dissipation? is no doubt? very little, as whats? indicated on the spec sheet.? In? your quest to burn the short out,
you could destroy the control? grid in the process.
?
##? folks who have had? control? grid to cathode shorts? on a 3-500Z, have typ? a? 50% chance of burning the? short open... using a 12 vdc car battery,
which will? supply a LOT of? current.?? Depending on the? ESR of your? 560 uf cap, the? ESR? will? limit the? current?? somewhat.?? Typ? 560 uf? @? 450 vdc
lytics? have a ESR of? .203 ohms..... which is low enough to deliver a lot of current... albeit for a split second.
?

Jim?? VE7RF??


Re: Test / GU74B tubes

 

Hi Jim,

The good thing about the sweet little GU74B tetrode tube is its stable high
gain in grid-driven AB1 configuration with a simple untuned swamped grid
input circuit....no messy band switching required on the input side.

Just a few watts drive from an SDR exciter pushes the HF amplifier's output
well past 400 to 500 Watts at which PEP output the tube will virtually last
forever.

You don't need a "sky high" idle current to get acceptable IMD equal to or
better than most solid state amps; just use some cathode degeneration NFB
and all's well on that score.

If you specifically want a squeaky clean state of the art signal then just
put your SDR exciter in "Pure Signal" mode and a feedback sampling coupler
on the amp's output.....then all IM products are negated for an exemplary
clean signal spectrum.

These military surplus tubes were once very low cost a decade or two back,
but sadly market prices have risen like they have done for all Tx tubes :-(

It's the old argument of selecting different horses for different courses
Jim....each tube whether triode or tetrode and the various circuit
topologies have their merits in particular scenarios and use cases.

The available tube choices are drying up nowadays for tube amplifier
aficionados....everything has either become damn expensive, or is in the
realm of unobtainium..... :-(

73

Leigh
VK5KLT
________________________________________
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]

Sent: Sunday, 26 May 2019 1:27 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test / GU74B tubes

Posted by: jim.thom@...

But on the subject of the venerable GU74B tube we contraire with
diametrically
opposite opinion.? This little tetrode is the best ham radio amplifier
tubes around; > on the proviso it¡¯s used properly and within its ratings¡­..
as evidenced by amp
manufacturers like Acom in their immensely popular and well received
family of 1
and two tube amplifiers, as well as others, and hordes of amplifier
homebrewers.

Leigh
##? Why even mess with a tetrode ?? ? My problem with the GU74B ......"
4CX-800"? ?is the sky?high?225 ma idle?current requirement PER TUBE !? ? And
that's just to get the IMD?to acceptable levels.? That's?insane.? ?450 ma
for a pair...and 675 ma for a 3 holer.?

##? Don't? mess?with the Acom? SS? amps.....? way too many problems...
and?no?qsk.??

##? Leigh,?with?your 400 W? limit,?anything will last a long??time.? ?With a
400 w? limit, a?SS amp would suffice.?

Jim? ?VE7RF


Re: Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

 

It is always good to hear from you Dave.

IMO there is nothing wrong with a bit of bantering around especially with self absorbed fools who profess to know so much about amps and tubes but know so little but never stop trying to impress others.

I let them rant on a few times but when my patience wears out I swing the Louisville Slugger. Some get the message but others keep coming back for more and still cant finish a coherent debate on the subject.

How is Londonstan these days?

Carl

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: DAVE WHITE mausoptik@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Cc: 'Carl'
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread



I take your point that we shouldn't be hurling abuse at each other but do we really need someone like (as Carl described him) King George III watching and judging our comments? Who watches the watchers and judges the judges? I respect other people but I don't respect their self-appointed "right" to authority over me.
We're all grown up blokes who've been around the tracks. We're not like the precious little snowflakes at British universities who need their "safe space" and feel traumatised by anyone who holds opinions outside their world view.


Personally I prefer freedom.


If someone is rude to you, then tell them to "awa' and bile yer heid" as my colleagues in Aberdeen would have said.


Have a nice day, folks :)


Dave G0OIL






On Monday, 27 May 2019, 06:00:50 BST, 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers] <ham_amplifiers@...> wrote:






Yes, and George's recently publicised set of prescriptive rules and posting
guidelines are very befitting and appropriate..

Ham radio interest group forums are intended for friendly exchange of
discussion and sharing information relating to the topic; not for off-topic
noise and crass and uncalled for ad hominem attacks.

Speak to the topic; not gratuitously attack the person for holding view and
opinion different from your own.....

Leigh
VK5KLT

________________________________________
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]

Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 10:21 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

Posted by: "Carl" <km1h@...>

And King George III recently posted that he will be monitoring AMPS closely
and blocking ALL off topic posts! Gee, like so much bandwidth is used on
that long obsolete forum.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass Leigh.....bye bye.

There are several more modern AMP forums these days that allow pictures,
audio, and even allow off topics.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

It's a damn pity this now low traffic / semi-defunct ham amplifiers forum
doesn't have a principled Moderator like George Fremin III K5TR who oversees

the Amps group where such uncalled for rude and crude ad hominem comments
are screened and deleted and rightly don't make it to the forum.

Leigh
VK5KLT

From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 2:33 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Now don't you start Alek...you are one of the Aussies I actually like!

AND who doesn't speak like some overblown ego Brit in order to cover
incompetence...or is it incontinence?

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Somebdy has forgotten to take their pills today.

Bad boy Carl. :-)

Alek.
VK6APK

On 26/05/2019 9:02 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

YAWN

At least Rich and I were friends since about 1996 and I miss him

I can't say the same about you. Go back under your GU-74B rock and behave

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Indeed Joe, the forum has been quite slow since the sad demise of central
protagonist Rich Measures and the Rich / Carl sideshow jousts...

There's more interesting activity on the Amps group nowadays.

Leigh
VK5KLT

From: [email protected]
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: Sunday, 26 May 2019 10:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

No, not dead, been a bit slow, but not slow enough to worry.

Joe - W7RKN

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Canada; the ship of fools where corruption and politics are synonymous
Ham Amplifiers reflector dead?






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Re: Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

 

I just wish Dodge would build in more reliability.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Edmund Watts ed_watts@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread



Yeah, but Challengers and Camaros are SO much better than cheesy Ford Mustangs!




Ed







-----Original Message-----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers] <ham_amplifiers@...>
To: ham_amplifiers <ham_amplifiers@...>
Cc: 'Carl' <km1h@...>
Sent: Sun, May 26, 2019 10:00 pm
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread




Yes, and George's recently publicised set of prescriptive rules and posting
guidelines are very befitting and appropriate..

Ham radio interest group forums are intended for friendly exchange of
discussion and sharing information relating to the topic; not for off-topic
noise and crass and uncalled for ad hominem attacks.

Speak to the topic; not gratuitously attack the person for holding view and
opinion different from your own.....

Leigh
VK5KLT

________________________________________
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]

Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 10:21 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

Posted by: "Carl" <km1h@...>

And King George III recently posted that he will be monitoring AMPS closely
and blocking ALL off topic posts! Gee, like so much bandwidth is used on
that long obsolete forum.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass Leigh.....bye bye.

There are several more modern AMP forums these days that allow pictures,
audio, and even allow off topics.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

It's a damn pity this now low traffic / semi-defunct ham amplifiers forum
doesn't have a principled Moderator like George Fremin III K5TR who oversees

the Amps group where such uncalled for rude and crude ad hominem comments
are screened and deleted and rightly don't make it to the forum.

Leigh
VK5KLT

From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 2:33 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Now don't you start Alek...you are one of the Aussies I actually like!

AND who doesn't speak like some overblown ego Brit in order to cover
incompetence...or is it incontinence?

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Somebdy has forgotten to take their pills today.

Bad boy Carl. :-)

Alek.
VK6APK

On 26/05/2019 9:02 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

YAWN

At least Rich and I were friends since about 1996 and I miss him

I can't say the same about you. Go back under your GU-74B rock and behave

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Indeed Joe, the forum has been quite slow since the sad demise of central
protagonist Rich Measures and the Rich / Carl sideshow jousts...

There's more interesting activity on the Amps group nowadays.

Leigh
VK5KLT

From: [email protected]
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: Sunday, 26 May 2019 10:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

No, not dead, been a bit slow, but not slow enough to worry.

Joe - W7RKN

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Canada; the ship of fools where corruption and politics are synonymous
Ham Amplifiers reflector dead?






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Re: Test #5

 

I made two posts last night and they have the correct time stamps of 12:18 and 12:28.? However, I went to bed a bit after 4:00 AM and they hadn't shown up here. As I use Charter as my ISP and Mercury Networks? For my mail and home page, the mail goes from Charter to Mercury via SMTP .? The post time stamp should be when I receive the post and it normally is, but not for those posts.


73, Roger (K8RI)

On 5/28/2019 7:12 PM, 'Doug Renwick' ve5ra@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

Finally, after days, not hours, not one day, but days, my posts are finally appearing.

Doug

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein

------------------------------------------------------------------------

*From:*ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
*Sent:* May-25-19 7:17 PM
*To:* ham_amplifiers@...
*Subject:* [ham_amplifiers] Test #5

I have a GU-78B that has developed a grid short. I have determined the grid
short initiates about 2 minutes after power on and ends after about 5
minutes.
I have tried unsuccessfully to 'burn' the short by hooking up a 560?f
capacitor fed with 300vdc.
What other methods that can be tried to 'burn' this short?
Doug

**

.



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Roger (K8RI)


Re: Test #5

 

When Y! gets goofy like that, I check the group on the web.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On Tuesday, May 28, 2019, 7:13:36 PM EDT, 'Doug Renwick' ve5ra@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:




Finally, after days, not hours, not one day, but days, my posts are finally appearing.

Doug

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein
"Stupidity is the most abundant element in the universe"

From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: May-25-19 7:17 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Test #5

?

?

I have a GU-78B that has developed a grid short. I have determined the grid
short initiates about 2 minutes after power on and ends after about 5
minutes.
I have tried unsuccessfully to 'burn' the short by hooking up a 560?f
capacitor fed with 300vdc.
What other methods that can be tried to 'burn' this short?
Doug

.



Virus-free.



Re: Test #5

Doug Renwick
 

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Finally, after days, not hours, not one day, but days, my posts are finally appearing.

Doug

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein


From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: May-25-19 7:17 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Test #5

?

?

I have a GU-78B that has developed a grid short. I have determined the grid
short initiates about 2 minutes after power on and ends after about 5
minutes.
I have tried unsuccessfully to 'burn' the short by hooking up a 560?f
capacitor fed with 300vdc.
What other methods that can be tried to 'burn' this short?
Doug

.



Virus-free.


Re: Test

W2xj
 

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It¡¯s comming through over and over. Fix your email client.


On May 26, 2019, at 6:15 PM, 'Doug Renwick' ve5ra@... [ham_amplifiers] <ham_amplifiers@...> wrote:

?

Guys help me out here. I have trying to post this for several days with no success. Let me know if you receive it or repost it to the reflector if l can't.

Doug

I have a GU-78B that has developed a grid short. I have determined the grid short initiates about 2 minutes after power on and ends after about 5 minutes.

I have tried unsuccessfully to 'burn' the short by hooking up a 560?f capacitor fed with 300vdc.

What other methods that can be tried to 'burn' this short?

?


Virus-free.


Add Hominey to your diet

 

But he protests, "I like GRITS better ".

Don W4DNR


Test #6

Doug Renwick
 

Test #6 to see why a post is not making it. I will delete the name of the
tube and see what happens:

I have an amplifier tube that has developed a grid short. I have determined
the grid short initiates about 2 minutes after power on and ends after about
5 minutes.
I have tried unsuccessfully to 'burn' the short by hooking up a 560?f
capacitor fed with 300vdc.
What other methods that can be tried to 'burn' this short?
Doug


Re: Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

 

I see? my? response to? Leigh,? re:? GU-84B.... did not make it through.? ?Why mess? with? tetrodes ??
With? the? VK? 400? watt? limit,? ?a? SS? amp would suffice.? ? 225? Ma? idle? current PER? ?GU-84B is insane....
and that's? just? to get? decent? IMD.

A? single? or? dual? GU-84B.... run? at? 400w, should last? forever.... it's not doing anything.? ?

Jim? VE7RF?



Re: Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

 

What, did somebody else say something on AMPS about the members' old ladies?

As for what Leigh said (repeated below) -- Leigh, you misspelled a word.? It should be "belittling" and not "befitting."

This group has ALWAYS allowed off-topic posts and ad-hominem posts.? That's what kept us all so focused on technology.? Remember what Robert Heinlein said:? "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."

In every case I can remember, whenever a stupid asshole showed up here, it was self-correcting.? They left of their own accord.?

And frequently, when uninformed but open-minded people showed up, they stayed long enough to get their answers, and then left.? I confess that I sent a lot of private emails to newbies who got a spanking, telling them that this is the way it works here and that they should just hang in there.? I suspect that I was not alone in doing this.?

In my book?? Censors should be censured.? Then they need an orchidectomy to prevent or at least mitigate such further escapes from our US Constitutional norms.? Should the knife slip and cut off the wrong part, or especially the wrong head, then so be it.

73
Jim N6OTQ



On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 12:00 AM 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers] <ham_amplifiers@...> wrote:

Yes, and George's recently publicised set of prescriptive rules and posting
guidelines are very befitting and appropriate.


Re: Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

 

I take your point that we shouldn't be hurling abuse at each other but do we really need someone like (as Carl described him) King George III watching and judging our comments?? Who watches the watchers and judges the judges?? I respect other people but I don't respect their self-appointed "right" to authority over me.
We're all grown up blokes who've been around the tracks.? We're not like the precious little snowflakes at British universities who need their "safe space" and feel traumatised by anyone who holds opinions outside their world view.

Personally I prefer freedom.

If someone is rude to you, then tell them to "awa' and bile yer heid" as my colleagues in Aberdeen would have said.

Have a nice day, folks :)

Dave G0OIL



On Monday, 27 May 2019, 06:00:50 BST, 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:


?


Yes, and George's recently publicised set of prescriptive rules and posting
guidelines are very befitting and appropriate..

Ham radio interest group forums are intended for friendly exchange of
discussion and sharing information relating to the topic; not for off-topic
noise and crass and uncalled for ad hominem attacks.

Speak to the topic; not gratuitously attack the person for holding view and
opinion different from your own.....

Leigh
VK5KLT

________________________________________
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]

Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 10:21 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

Posted by: "Carl"

And King George III recently posted that he will be monitoring AMPS closely
and blocking ALL off topic posts! Gee, like so much bandwidth is used on
that long obsolete forum.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass Leigh.....bye bye.

There are several more modern AMP forums these days that allow pictures,
audio, and even allow off topics.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

It's a damn pity this now low traffic / semi-defunct ham amplifiers forum
doesn't have a principled Moderator like George Fremin III K5TR who oversees

the Amps group where such uncalled for rude and crude ad hominem comments
are screened and deleted and rightly don't make it to the forum.

Leigh
VK5KLT

From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 2:33 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Now don't you start Alek...you are one of the Aussies I actually like!

AND who doesn't speak like some overblown ego Brit in order to cover
incompetence...or is it incontinence?

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Somebdy has forgotten to take their pills today.

Bad boy Carl. :-)

Alek.
VK6APK

On 26/05/2019 9:02 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

YAWN

At least Rich and I were friends since about 1996 and I miss him

I can't say the same about you. Go back under your GU-74B rock and behave

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Indeed Joe, the forum has been quite slow since the sad demise of central
protagonist Rich Measures and the Rich / Carl sideshow jousts...

There's more interesting activity on the Amps group nowadays.

Leigh
VK5KLT

From: [email protected]
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: Sunday, 26 May 2019 10:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

No, not dead, been a bit slow, but not slow enough to worry.

Joe - W7RKN

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Canada; the ship of fools where corruption and politics are synonymous
Ham Amplifiers reflector dead?


Re: Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

 

Yeah, but Challengers and Camaros are SO much better than cheesy Ford Mustangs!


Ed




-----Original Message-----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers
Cc: 'Carl'
Sent: Sun, May 26, 2019 10:00 pm
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

?

Yes, and George's recently publicised set of prescriptive rules and posting
guidelines are very befitting and appropriate..

Ham radio interest group forums are intended for friendly exchange of
discussion and sharing information relating to the topic; not for off-topic
noise and crass and uncalled for ad hominem attacks.

Speak to the topic; not gratuitously attack the person for holding view and
opinion different from your own.....

Leigh
VK5KLT

________________________________________
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]

Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 10:21 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

Posted by: "Carl"

And King George III recently posted that he will be monitoring AMPS closely
and blocking ALL off topic posts! Gee, like so much bandwidth is used on
that long obsolete forum.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass Leigh.....bye bye.

There are several more modern AMP forums these days that allow pictures,
audio, and even allow off topics.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

It's a damn pity this now low traffic / semi-defunct ham amplifiers forum
doesn't have a principled Moderator like George Fremin III K5TR who oversees

the Amps group where such uncalled for rude and crude ad hominem comments
are screened and deleted and rightly don't make it to the forum.

Leigh
VK5KLT

From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 2:33 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Now don't you start Alek...you are one of the Aussies I actually like!

AND who doesn't speak like some overblown ego Brit in order to cover
incompetence...or is it incontinence?

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Somebdy has forgotten to take their pills today.

Bad boy Carl. :-)

Alek.
VK6APK

On 26/05/2019 9:02 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

YAWN

At least Rich and I were friends since about 1996 and I miss him

I can't say the same about you. Go back under your GU-74B rock and behave

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Indeed Joe, the forum has been quite slow since the sad demise of central
protagonist Rich Measures and the Rich / Carl sideshow jousts...

There's more interesting activity on the Amps group nowadays.

Leigh
VK5KLT

From: [email protected]
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: Sunday, 26 May 2019 10:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

No, not dead, been a bit slow, but not slow enough to worry.

Joe - W7RKN

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Canada; the ship of fools where corruption and politics are synonymous
Ham Amplifiers reflector dead?


Re: Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

 

Yes, and George's recently publicised set of prescriptive rules and posting
guidelines are very befitting and appropriate..

Ham radio interest group forums are intended for friendly exchange of
discussion and sharing information relating to the topic; not for off-topic
noise and crass and uncalled for ad hominem attacks.

Speak to the topic; not gratuitously attack the person for holding view and
opinion different from your own.....

Leigh
VK5KLT

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From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]

Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 10:21 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

Posted by: "Carl" <km1h@...>

And King George III recently posted that he will be monitoring AMPS closely
and blocking ALL off topic posts! Gee, like so much bandwidth is used on
that long obsolete forum.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass Leigh.....bye bye.

There are several more modern AMP forums these days that allow pictures,
audio, and even allow off topics.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

It's a damn pity this now low traffic / semi-defunct ham amplifiers forum
doesn't have a principled Moderator like George Fremin III K5TR who oversees

the Amps group where such uncalled for rude and crude ad hominem comments
are screened and deleted and rightly don't make it to the forum.

Leigh
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From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 2:33 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Now don't you start Alek...you are one of the Aussies I actually like!

AND who doesn't speak like some overblown ego Brit in order to cover
incompetence...or is it incontinence?

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Somebdy has forgotten to take their pills today.

Bad boy Carl. :-)

Alek.
VK6APK

On 26/05/2019 9:02 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

YAWN

At least Rich and I were friends since about 1996 and I miss him

I can't say the same about you. Go back under your GU-74B rock and behave

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Indeed Joe, the forum has been quite slow since the sad demise of central
protagonist Rich Measures and the Rich / Carl sideshow jousts...

There's more interesting activity on the Amps group nowadays.

Leigh
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: Sunday, 26 May 2019 10:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

No, not dead, been a bit slow, but not slow enough to worry.

Joe - W7RKN

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Canada; the ship of fools where corruption and politics are synonymous
Ham Amplifiers reflector dead?


Re: Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

 

Used to be post turned up almost immediately, now they take up to hours.
This is the third post I've made and nothing has shown up yet.
The problem is probably Yahoo's server hosting Ham Amps?.? Sometimes I never see my posts,? but there are answers that contain the original.
I never did get my account to work on towertalk after it failed.

73, Roger (K8RI)

On 5/26/2019 8:57 PM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

Im getting yours, Joes, Jims, and others OK BUT I am not using Yahoo; they
come thru Outlook Express on an ancient XP machine.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Doug Renwick' ve5ra@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Cc: 'Leigh Turner'
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

The amps group is dead!
Ham_amplifiers is low traffic because something is killing posts.
Doug

It's a damn pity this now low traffic / semi-defunct ham amplifiers forum
doesn't have a principled Moderator like George Fremin III K5TR who oversees
the Amps group where such uncalled for rude and crude ad hominem comments
are screened and deleted and rightly don't make it to the forum.

Leigh
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Roger (K8RI)


Re: Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

 

As has been said, traffic may be slow, but it's not dead.
I notice many of the newsgroups are a bit slow as of late.? Social media?

What I? like about Ham Amplifiers is that it isn't moderated, or wasn't.?? People can say what they want and let the chips fall where they may and I see none of the sickening Political correctness.

I was trying to help some beginners on FB, but those moderators would pull a post if someone was offended. It was a group with abysmal knowledge and knowledgeable old timers. It reminded me of the students I was teaching while working on my masters.? Two groups with almost nothing in common and an inability to understand each other.? If they answered using terms any of us could understand many would complain about the so called experts. OTOH the newbies didn't know enough to even ask for what they needed to know, so they'd get offended when someone would ask for a clarification.
The moderators were the typical. politically correct, "don't hurt anyone's feelings"

I gave up.


73, Roger (K8RI)

On 5/26/2019 7:43 PM, 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

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*It¡¯s a damn pity this now low traffic / semi-defunct ham amplifiers forum doesn¡¯t have a principled Moderator like George Fremin III K5TR who oversees the Amps group where such uncalled for rude and crude ad hominem comments are screened and deleted and rightly don¡¯t make it to the forum. *

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*Leigh*

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*From:*ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
*Sent:* Monday, 27 May 2019 2:33 AM
*To:* ham_amplifiers@...
*Subject:* Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Now don¡¯t you start Alek...you are one of the Aussies I actually like!

AND who doesnt speak like some overblown ego Brit in order to cover
incompetence...or is it incontinence?

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Somebdy has forgotten to take their pills today.

Bad boy Carl. :-)

Alek.
VK6APK

On 26/05/2019 9:02 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:


*YAWN

*At least Rich and I were friends since about 1996 and I miss him

I can¡¯t say the same about you. Go back under your GU-74B rock and behave

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Indeed Joe, the forum has been quite slow since the sad demise of central
protagonist Rich Measures and the Rich / Carl sideshow jousts...


There's more interesting activity on the Amps group nowadays.


Leigh
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: Sunday, 26 May 2019 10:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

No, not dead, been a bit slow, but not slow enough to worry.

Joe - W7RKN

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]

Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Canada; the ship of fools where corruption and politics are synonymous
Ham Amplifiers reflector dead?

--
Roger (K8RI)


Re: Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

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I, too, am getting all posts. Maybe someone¡¯s email client needs adjustment.?


On May 26, 2019, at 8:57 PM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] <ham_amplifiers@...> wrote:

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Im getting yours, Joes, Jims, and others OK BUT I am not using Yahoo; they
come thru Outlook Express on an ancient XP machine.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Doug Renwick' ve5ra@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Cc: 'Leigh Turner'
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

The amps group is dead!
Ham_amplifiers is low traffic because something is killing posts.
Doug

It's a damn pity this now low traffic / semi-defunct ham amplifiers forum
doesn't have a principled Moderator like George Fremin III K5TR who oversees
the Amps group where such uncalled for rude and crude ad hominem comments
are screened and deleted and rightly don't make it to the forum.

Leigh
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Re: Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

 

Im getting yours, Joes, Jims, and others OK BUT I am not using Yahoo; they come thru Outlook Express on an ancient XP machine.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Doug Renwick' ve5ra@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Cc: 'Leigh Turner'
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread



The amps group is dead!
Ham_amplifiers is low traffic because something is killing posts.
Doug

It's a damn pity this now low traffic / semi-defunct ham amplifiers forum doesn't have a principled Moderator like George Fremin III K5TR who oversees the Amps group where such uncalled for rude and crude ad hominem comments are screened and deleted and rightly don't make it to the forum.

Leigh
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Re: Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread

 

And King George III recenty posted that he will be monitoring AMPS closely and blocking ALL off topic posts! Gee, like so much bandwidth is used on that long obsolete forum.

Dont let the door hit you in the ass Leigh.....bye bye.

There are several more modern AMP forums these days that allow pictures, audio, and even allow off topics.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Ad Hominem behaviour in this forum thread




It's a damn pity this now low traffic / semi-defunct ham amplifiers forum doesn't have a principled Moderator like George Fremin III K5TR who oversees the Amps group where such uncalled for rude and crude ad hominem comments are screened and deleted and rightly don't make it to the forum.

Leigh
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From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 2:33 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Now don't you start Alek...you are one of the Aussies I actually like!

AND who doesnt speak like some overblown ego Brit in order to cover
incompetence...or is it incontinence?

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Somebdy has forgotten to take their pills today.

Bad boy Carl. :-)

Alek.
VK6APK

On 26/05/2019 9:02 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

YAWN

At least Rich and I were friends since about 1996 and I miss him

I can't say the same about you. Go back under your GU-74B rock and behave

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: 'Leigh Turner' invertech@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Indeed Joe, the forum has been quite slow since the sad demise of central
protagonist Rich Measures and the Rich / Carl sideshow jousts...

There's more interesting activity on the Amps group nowadays.

Leigh
VK5KLT

From: [email protected]
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
Sent: Sunday, 26 May 2019 10:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Test

No, not dead, been a bit slow, but not slow enough to worry.

Joe - W7RKN

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]

Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Test

Canada; the ship of fools where corruption and politics are synonymous
Ham Amplifiers reflector dead?





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